August1991 Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Is it wrong to disrespect someone? (I fear that people die because they didn't genuflect. They "dissed" someone.) What does disrespect mean exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Problem is that people think they automatically deserve respect and don't understand that respect is earned. I don't have to respect you, nor do you have to respect me, but through our interactions and relationships with people we develop respect and earn it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcinmoka Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 (edited) don't understand that respect is earned. Is it? I don't believe that 'respect' necessarily (although it may, depending on context) requires some level of admiration, rather it is simply treating others with some level of dignity, but defining dignity just opens another can of semantic worms. Afterall, I can respect your right to privacy without you having to earn it, just as I respect strangers on the street by not cutting them off. What does disrespect mean exactly? A social abstraction..... Edited November 23, 2007 by marcinmoka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Is it wrong to disrespect someone? (I fear that people die because they didn't genuflect. They "dissed" someone.)What does disrespect mean exactly? I have a hard time with the word. I can be disrespectful, I can show disrespect. But I can not disrespect someone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwind Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Is it wrong to disrespect someone? (I fear that people die because they didn't genuflect. They "dissed" someone.)This idea used to be called 'honour'. Males of the species have be killing each other for millenia because of real or imagined slights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I have a hard time with the word. I can be disrespectful, I can show disrespect. But I can not disrespect someone Respect is the transfere of power. It is contractual if civilized. I empower you - and you empower me. If you disrespect me I will not enrich you. If you do respect me - I will send it back. With part of the patriarchy and matriarchy that we all spawn from we beleive that respecting someong is to fear them - this is not respect. This is coersion. Respect is based in logic...much like good Christian doctrine about being good. Evil is stupidity - If I deny you a piece of bread out of evil malice - that is stupid - because being a faliable human being I will surely be in need of bread some day and will NOT recieve it from you..so evil is stupid - Where as I give you bread in good faith - and love - you will return the favour - that goodness is intelligent - This is respect - I take care of you and you of me...anything else under the guise of respect that does not have this system of mutual co-operation - is not respect - it's stupidity - respect is not a punitive measure - it is gift giving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottSA Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 What's wrong with disrespect? If respect simply means to admire on the basis of admirable qualities, and I believe that is a sufficient definition, then why must one admire regardless of admirable qualities or the lack of them, or, for that matter, be expected to admire qualities one perceives to be unadmirable? For example, I don't necessarly "respect" a woman's right to choose, in view of the fact that there is no proviso for her to respect the father's right to choose (to be a father or not). Or in view of numerous other facts that may or may not apply to the specific situation (eg using abortion as birth control). Nor do I respect victim mindsets, socialistic pap, multicultural hogswoggle, or homosexuals demanding "rights." I have my reasons for disrespecting them, but perhaps the most important observation is that I really don't need a justification for disrespecting them, because I am not under any moral obligation to respect them. The fact that I don't throw rocks at socialists and homosexuals has nothing to do with respect, unless it is a respect for the idea that they have a right, in our society, to voice their opinions. But that is a different thing completely, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posit Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 (edited) What's wrong with disrespect? Nor do I respect victim mindsets, socialistic pap, multicultural hogswoggle, or homosexuals demanding "rights." I have my reasons for disrespecting them, but perhaps the most important observation is that I really don't need a justification for disrespecting them, because I am not under any moral obligation to respect them. The fact that I don't throw rocks at socialists and homosexuals has nothing to do with respect, unless it is a respect for the idea that they have a right, in our society, to voice their opinions. But that is a different thing completely, right? That's odd. You have consistently whined on this discussion forum about being the victim of the immigrant and minority accommodation. If what you say is true, you must have a terrible hate on for yourself..... Edited November 25, 2007 by Posit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 This idea used to be called 'honour'. Males of the species have be killing each other for millenia because of real or imagined slights. Yes and the childen and females are the ones to suffer for male ego and pride. Disrespect, what is it really? If I'm rude and give a fellow driver the finger am I being disrepectful-nope just rude. I can only disrespect someone if I respected them in the first place. Respect is earned, not handed out as a given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottSA Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 That's odd. You have consistently whined on this discussion forum about being the victim of the immigrant and minority accommodation. If what you say is true, you must have a terrible hate on for yourself..... Perhaps you'll be good enough to show me even one example of this alleged whining? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Everyone deserves respect until they demonstrate that they aren't worthy of it. I would say, lack of respect is what someone feels. Disrespect is how they show it. Interesting question and just my interpretation of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Is it wrong to disrespect someone? (I fear that people die because they didn't genuflect. They "dissed" someone.)What does disrespect mean exactly? It's in the eyes of the beholder. But not worth killing someone over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 I still say it is wrong to use a noun as a verb and I will not sit quiet and see the Queen's English be disrespected so clumsily.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest coot Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 I still say it is wrong to use a noun as a verb and I will not sit quiet and see the Queen's English be disrespected so clumsily.. Nouns have been transformed into verbs since the English language was formed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 That would be post-langformming nounverbing... Is Morris correct ? I hope so... but a Google search says probably not: Dictionary.com To show disrespect is to show a lack of respect for, or to shock a lack of regard for. I think that at the heart of such behavior is an inability to empathize. Certainly if one is discussing issues with someone, they need to show them a basic amount of regard - that's only polite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 I still say it is wrong to use a noun as a verb and I will not sit quiet and see the Queen's English be disrespected so clumsily..How many of our athletes do you think will medal at the summer olympics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Disrespect appears to have made a comeback in common usage thanks to hip-hoppers. http://www.wsu.edu:8001/~brians/errors/disrespect.html There are some characters I encounter on the street that I would not disrespect. Meaning I remain cool and do not display either scorn or curiosity which could be interpreted as disrespect. On the street that can have dire consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 How many of our athletes do you think will medal at the summer olympics? The problem with medal as a verb is that in verbal communication it can be mistaken for meddle. Since this is written communication, I will say I hope many of our athletes medal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted November 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 I still say it is wrong to use a noun as a verb and I will not sit quiet and see the Queen's English be disrespected so clumsily..I have an aversion to the passive voice in English. (BTW, I'm not certain that respect is a noun that became a verb. Respecter is a respectable verb in French and it seems to have its origin in the Latin verb respicere.)The UK government has a web site devoted to Respect. The Urban Dictionary offers this definition: also "diss"; to disrespect, make fun of, fail to obey, or not be impressed by someone or something. Normally used by the dissee, not the disser; Being dissed is something to complain about, dissing is not something to brag about.You don't like my car? Are you dissing me, man? Don't diss me when I tell you to do something, boy. He noshowed again, he can't diss me like that! This was the meaning that I had thought of: Disrespect appears to have made a comeback in common usage thanks to hip-hoppers.http://www.wsu.edu:8001/~brians/errors/disrespect.html There are some characters I encounter on the street that I would not disrespect. Meaning I remain cool and do not display either scorn or curiosity which could be interpreted as disrespect. On the street that can have dire consequences. It seems to me that it has its origins in slavery. A slave owner would insist on respect from slaves. Anything other than respect could be interpreted as defiance. When relations are involuntary, then this kind of strategy is common. It amounts to bullying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 I have an aversion to the passive voice in English. (BTW, I'm not certain that respect is a noun that became a verb. Respecter is a respectable verb in French and it seems to have its origin in the Latin verb respicere.)The UK government has a web site devoted to Respect. The Urban Dictionary offers this definition: This was the meaning that I had thought of: It seems to me that it has its origins in slavery. A slave owner would insist on respect from slaves. Anything other than respect could be interpreted as defiance. When relations are involuntary, then this kind of strategy is common. It amounts to bullying. Respect is a noun. respectful is a verb, so is dispresecting.....the party Respect is a crock of merde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Everyone deserves respect until they demonstrate that they aren't worthy of it. I would say, lack of respect is what someone feels. Disrespect is how they show it. Interesting question and just my interpretation of it. Yah, I agree with Wilber. It doesn't make sense to have to earn respect because you're just not worth the respect from birth. Everyone should be treated with respect whether they've "earned" it or not. But of course like Wilber said, you can lose respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Respect is a noun. respectful is a verb, so is dispresecting.....the party Respect is a crock of merde Dancer isn't respectful an adjective. Help me out here. I'm French and always willing to learn. Don't leave me enmerdé. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Dancer isn't respectful an adjective. Help me out here. I'm French and always willing to learn. Don't leave me enmerdé. Respectful is an adjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 I still say it is wrong to use a noun as a verb and I will not sit quiet and see the Queen's English be disrespected so clumsily..It's nice to have such a good debate about proper English in a non-English speaking country (I reached that conclusion after hearing Dion and Chretien). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 (edited) What the heck are you guys talking about. Nouns, verbs, adjectives.....who cares! I didn't know we were taking a language class in this thread. Edited November 28, 2007 by Frankie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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