Conservatives Create HUGE conservation area in the North

[White Doors]

Protected area is twice the size of Nova Scotia.

This will do more to protect our environment than Kyoto ever will.

We need to worry MORE about conservation and less about man made CO2 emissions in my opinion.

Link:

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/11...4673835-cp.html

[Topaz]

Protected area is twice the size of Nova Scotia.

This will do more to protect our environment than Kyoto ever will.

We need to worry MORE about conservation and less about man made CO2 emissions in my opinion.

Link:

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/11...4673835-cp.html

We need to worry about anything that pollutes the air, water and land! BTW, in question period, while announcing this, Baird did a no-no in the house and he may not be able to take questions for 30 days for breaking the House rules!

[geoffrey]

Baird did a no-no in the house and he may not be able to take questions for 30 days for breaking the House rules!

Style is so much more important than actually environmental results. Duh! Haven't you seen the Liberal Kyoto program?

I did, however, miss this. What did he do? And the punishment is being unaccountable for a month? Wha?

[jdobbin]

It is a good announcement and one that took four years to negotiate but because of wide consultations has elicited widespread support.

I haven't heard what Baird did in the House.

It is disappointing that Baird didn't bring Opposition members to the global warming summit as per tradition.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/politics...e77&k=61965

While the opposition parties say they are considering their own travel arrangements for the conference, Liberal environment critic David McGuinty said it was unlikely they could afford to plan the trip on their own at the last minute. He blames the government for turning its back on a long-standing tradition of involving opposition parties along with industry and non-government stakeholders in international conferences.

"We've heard nothing," said McGuinty. "This is about controlling the message and trying to ensure that there is minimal amount of (critical) voices."

Bloc Quebecois environment critic Bernard Bigras said his party leader, Gilles Duceppe, was forced to personally intervene with Prime Minister Stephen Harper's office before last year's UN climate change summit to convince the government to allow opposition MPs to go. But Duceppe was unsuccessful this time.

[Canuck E Stan]

It is a good announcement and one that took four years to negotiate but because of wide consultations has elicited widespread support.

It is disappointing that Baird didn't bring Opposition members to the global warming summit as per tradition.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/politics...e77&k=61965

What's disappointing is that this thread, being about a huge conservation area, had to be highjacked into a global warming topic that doesn't have anything to do with the topic being discussed.Maybe a new thread about the topic you are relating to should be started.

The good news, and there is only good news in this story,is that the national park would fulfil and expand an initiative first proposed in 1970 when Liberal Pierre Trudeau was prime minister.

Some 37 years later, after so many governments,especially Liberal governments who have claimed to be environmental and green had an opportunity to do something but only sat on their hands and did nothing.

One stroke of a pen and Harper made it what it should be, a sanctuary.

[jdobbin]

What's disappointing is that this thread, being about a huge conservation area, had to be highjacked into a global warming topic that doesn't have anything to do with the topic being discussed.Maybe a new thread about the topic you are relating to should be started.

The good news, and there is only good news in this story,is that the national park would fulfil and expand an initiative first proposed in 1970 when Liberal Pierre Trudeau was prime minister.

Some 37 years later, after so many governments,especially Liberal governments who have claimed to be environmental and green had an opportunity to do something but only sat on their hands and did nothing.

One stroke of a pen and Harper made it what it should be, a sanctuary.

What's disappointing is that Baird makes the announcement on the same day as he is blocking the Opposition from going to the conference as per tradition. One good policy doesn't override a bad policy. I see the announcements as being related.

The negotiations for the park and preserve began in earnest 4 years ago. It has taken that long to come to terms. It wasn't with a stroke of a pen but serious talks that continued through two governments.

[Michael Bluth]

What's disappointing is that this thread, being about a huge conservation area, had to be highjacked into a global warming topic that doesn't have anything to do with the topic being discussed.Maybe a new thread about the topic you are relating to should be started.

The good news, and there is only good news in this story,is that the national park would fulfil and expand an initiative first proposed in 1970 when Liberal Pierre Trudeau was prime minister.

Good points Stan. Thread highjacking can get distasteful at times.

Interesting how this park has been 37 years in the making, but the Conservatives finally made it happen.

How far back will certain posters go in trying to steal well-deserved praise from Baird and Harper?

[sideshow]

While not a Conservative voter, I can completely applaud the Conservative government for setting aside this land in the NWT as protected wilderness zones. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

EDIT

This was the opening post of a redundant thread entitled: 25 million acres saved by Conservatives which is no longer available.

All of the original posts are preserved and the two threads are now merged into one.

Edited November 23, 2007 by Charles Anthony
merged multiple thread

[M.Dancer]

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....showtopic=10344

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[Keepitsimple]

Good news tends not to generate much excitement on this board.

[sideshow]

Good news tends not to generate much excitement on this board.

lol...so true. sorry i missed the original post. havent been online in a few days. had to work to pay my share of the taxes....

[Carinthia]

While not a Conservative voter, I can completely applaud the Conservative government for setting aside this land in the NWT as protected wilderness zones. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

Yes, I applaud them too, but if the conservatives get in with a majority in the next election, they can backtrack on this decision all in the name of an "urgent rising need for economic development, blah blah". I don't trust anything Harper does.

[Michael Bluth]

Yes, I applaud them too, but if the conservatives get in with a majority in the next election, they can backtrack on this decision all in the name of an "urgent rising need for economic development, blah blah".

Wow, that has got to be the weakest attempt at *scary* *scary* *scary* ever!

I don't trust anything Harper does.

Really? Never would have guessed from the first part of your post.

Bravo to the left for creating such irrational hatred of Harper that people could actually believe such a mind-numbingly ridiculous accusation.

Edited November 23, 2007 by Michael Bluth

[Drea]

Ok Harper did a good thing. Let's all have a party (tis so rare, one should party on this type of occasion!)

But here's that "scary, scary" coming out...

I read in the Province today that there will be mandatory sentencing for growing ONE POT PLANT.

One lousy plant and you're spending a year in prison with the yoke of a criminal record around your neck for the rest of your life.

I am all for getting tough on crime, but seriously -- one damn plant.

There goes my idea of growing 2 or 3 for personal use... instead of, you know, supporting the Hell's Angels/UN Gang or whoever our "bud"dy gets it from.

How frigging stupid is Harper? 16% of Canadians smoke weed occasionally. Picture 16% of the population in jails... do we have enough space to house 4,800,000 people?

Now here we go with the "marijuana is evil" drivel. Go ahead I'm re...... hang on a sec, I gotta fill my pipe first...brb

Edited November 23, 2007 by Drea

[Canuck E Stan]

Ok Harper did a good thing. Let's all have a party (tis so rare, one should party on this type of occasion!)

But here's that "scary, scary" coming out...

I read in the Province today that there will be mandatory sentencing for growing ONE POT PLANT.

One lousy plant and you're spending a year in prison with the yoke of a criminal record around your neck for the rest of your life.

I am all for getting tough on crime, but seriously -- one damn plant.

There goes my idea of growing 2 or 3 for personal use... instead of, you know, supporting the Hell's Angels/UN Gang or whoever our "bud"dy gets it from.

How frigging stupid is Harper? 16% of Canadians smoke weed occasionally. Picture 16% of the population in jails... do we have enough space to house 4,800,000 people?

Now here we go with the "marijuana is evil" drivel. Go ahead I'm re...... hang on a sec, I gotta fill my pipe first...brb

Unless the 25 million acres is all your bong weed stuff,what does one pot plant or a billion plants for that matter have to do with this thread.

If you have habits and issues with marijuana drivel,why not start a new thread or carry on with an old one, and not highjack this thread.

Your smoking habits and marijauna have nothing to do with the 25 million acres.Focus your thoughts for once.

[Drea]

Usually a poster will just type something like this...

Back to the topic... and continue the topic.

Not you.

You gotta run with it. Go ahead RUN! Insult away!

Now, back to our regularly scheduled topic...

From the article:

The Conservatives budgeted $830,000 over five years to establish a national wildlife area in the Remparts River and Wetlands, a 15,000-square-kilometre area along the Arctic Circle

Now if one were to think about it... with Northern sovernty currently at stake this could be less of an "environmental" concern than we are led to believe.

Regardless of motivation Harper did a good thing.

Pass the dorito's please.

*see how easy that was!

Edited November 23, 2007 by Drea

[Carinthia]

Wow, that has got to be the weakest attempt at *scary* *scary* *scary* ever!

Really? Never would have guessed from the first part of your post.

Bravo to the left for creating such irrational hatred of Harper that people could actually believe such a mind-numbingly ridiculous accusation.

If you think my opinion could be successful in contributing to a distrust of Harper, then I have done something right today. I hate nobody.

[August1991]

What's disappointing is that this thread, being about a huge conservation area, had to be highjacked into a global warming topic that doesn't have anything to do with the topic being discussed.Maybe a new thread about the topic you are relating to should be started.

The good news, and there is only good news in this story,is that the national park would fulfil and expand an initiative first proposed in 1970 when Liberal Pierre Trudeau was prime minister.

Some 37 years later, after so many governments,especially Liberal governments who have claimed to be environmental and green had an opportunity to do something but only sat on their hands and did nothing.

One stroke of a pen and Harper made it what it should be, a sanctuary.

Good news? Stroke of a pen?

You gotta be joking. This is PR and nothing but PR. Harper/Baird might as well declare the Dark Side of the Moon as a protected area.

Environment Minister John Baird told a news conference Wednesday the two protected areas - covering 10 million hectares - are among the largest in Canadian history.

10 million hectares is 100,000 square kilometres. Canada has 10 million square kilometres. IOW, Baird/Harper just declared 1% of Canada "protected". And what doe sthis word "protected" mean? Basically nothing. You can build, mine, drill, fish, kill, plant in the area just as before. Assuming that you wanted to. Or you could.

Canada is a huge place - and most of it is frozen tundra infested with nothing. It's easy to draw a few lines on the map, choose one small square among a hundred and declare anything. Canada is a country of 90 empty squares - to choose one, and impose no constraints, it's meaningless.

If Baird/Harper declared "protected" territory in the south, near Vancouver, Toronto or Montreal then I'd pay attention. But this declaration is pure PR.

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Charles, can you merge this other thread?

Edited November 23, 2007 by August1991

[Michael Bluth]

If you think my opinion could be successful in contributing to a distrust of Harper, then I have done something right today. I hate nobody.

There is no relation to fact in your post.

Has a Prime Minster ever 'backtracked' on the creation of national park?

To do so would be political suicide. That is one of many reasons why Harper would never do it.

Your distrust is so ludicrous it is easily interpreted as hatred. And it is definitely irrational and unfounded.

Any contribution you think you may be making is merely preaching to the converted. No one who would even consider voting Conservative would take your innuendo as anything but farcical.

Edited November 23, 2007 by Michael Bluth

[Charles Anthony]

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....showtopic=10344

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Charles, can you merge this other thread?

Done.

N.B. If I do not catch one of these in time (multiple threads that need to be merged), please send me a PM directly or Report the post.

[Carinthia]

There is no relation to fact in your post.

Has a Prime Minster ever 'backtracked' on the creation of national park?

To do so would be political suicide. That is one of many reasons why Harper would never do it.

Your distrust is so ludicrous it is easily interpreted as hatred. And it is definitely irrational and unfounded.

Any contribution you think you may be making is merely preaching to the converted. No one who would even consider voting Conservative would take your innuendo as anything but farcical.

A Prime Minister has never backtracked on the creation of a national park as far as I know. But then a President of the U.S. has never attempted to dismantle the U.S. Constitution in the radical way that Bush/Cheney have done either. Never have so many lies been told to drag a nation into war, that I remember either. Never has a leader of any country in the civilized world pissed on the Geneva Convention and supported torture either. And the last time a conservative Prime Minister (who is now under investigation) jumped into bed with a U.S. President, the outcome was a trade disaster. Harper has shown "scary" signs of jumping into bed with the worst President in U.S. history, and where will this lead us all? If Mr. Harper finds it necessary to cozy up to a near dictator, what is he really capable of, if given a majority? I don't want to find out. I'll take the lesser of the two evils.

[capricorn]

A Prime Minister has never backtracked on the creation of a national park as far as I know.

Creating and maintaining national parks are quintessential to Canada's efforts to protect nature and its raw beauty.

But then a President of the U.S. has never attempted to dismantle the U.S. Constitution in the radical way that Bush/Cheney have done either. Never have so many lies been told to drag a nation into war, that I remember either. Never has a leader of any country in the civilized world pissed on the Geneva Convention and supported torture either.

The only way I can interpret this rambling is that it appears to come from a frustrated Liberal or NDP supporter. It is totally off topic and sounds rather desperate. But I do understand the obligatory mention of GWB in negative tones.

And the last time a conservative Prime Minister (who is now under investigation) jumped into bed with a U.S. President, the outcome was a trade disaster.

It would help to know which PM you are referring to. It's OK to name names here. This is not a Commons Committee.

Harper has shown "scary" signs of jumping into bed with the worst President in U.S. history, and where will this lead us all? If Mr. Harper finds it necessary to cozy up to a near dictator, what is he really capable of, if given a majority?

Only time will tell. In the meantime, I suggest you stock up on non-perishable goods and make sure you have a secure hiding place for you and your family. It could get ugly.

I don't want to find out. I'll take the lesser of the two evils.

All is not lost. There will be an election at some point and you can cast your vote, and hope for the best. In the end, isn't that all that we all do?

[kengs333]

Protected area is twice the size of Nova Scotia.

This will do more to protect our environment than Kyoto ever will.

We need to worry MORE about conservation and less about man made CO2 emissions in my opinion.

Link:

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/11...4673835-cp.html

Ummm, no it won't. Creating a protected area doesn't mean that there will be a magical barrier surrounding it making it impervious to the effects of climate change and pollution. It's just a PR gimmick that they've adopted from the Mulroney years.

[August1991]

It's just a PR gimmick that they've adopted from the Mulroney years.

Wrong. Mulroney, whatever his faults, protected the environment - it wasn't merely MTV/PR. Mulroney did it, measurably. Imagine! Edited November 23, 2007 by August1991

[White Doors]

Ummm, no it won't. Creating a protected area doesn't mean that there will be a magical barrier surrounding it making it impervious to the effects of climate change and pollution. It's just a PR gimmick that they've adopted from the Mulroney years.

What? This area is protected from logging, from mining, from everything. If the climate is warming, these areas will be protected and allow to grow trees that will take carbon out of the atmosphere. Canada is HUGE. I don't get how some people can think that protecting fully 1% of our land mass in one swoop can be interpreted as PR. You guys need to travel more. Twice the size of Nova Scotia? That is HUGE. Just because you don't live there doesn't mean that it isn't important to protect - especailly now that development of the north is really taking off.