Was an Islamic Head-dress Responsible for the Fatal Calgary Bus Crash?

[jbg]

I wonder if it was her headscarf that was causing her to drive badly the day before the accident?

And I wonder from this debate why it's necessary for immigrants and their immediate descendants to dress in costumes when about in society? If they came here didn't they come because they wanted what we have here?

Or maybe, only the benefits.

[Guest American Woman]

And I wonder from this debate why it's necessary for immigrants and their immediate descendants to dress in costumes when about in society? If they came here didn't they come because they wanted what we have here?

Or maybe, only the benefits.

Sometimes it is only the benefits. They don't always come here because they love everything about our culture and want to be just like us, but because they want the opportunities they can get here that they can't get at 'home,' while retaining what they liked about their homeland. Furthermore, they aren't dressed in "costumes" any more than we'd be dressed in a costume by wearing western clothing in a Muslim country.

Edited October 27, 2007 by American Woman

[ScottSA]

Sometimes it is only the benefits. They don't always come here because they love everything about our culture and want to be just like us, but because they want the opportunities they can get here that they can't get at 'home,' while retaining what they liked about their homeland. Furthermore, they aren't dressed in "costumes" any more than we'd be dressed in a costume by wearing western clothing in a Muslim country.

You've never been to a Muslim country, have you? You wouldn't be saying that if you had

[Peter F]

You've never been to a Muslim country, have you? You wouldn't be saying that if you had

Now we need fashion police? Didn't the Taliban have that?

[ScottSA]

Now we need fashion police? Didn't the Taliban have that?

Yes, the Taliban had that. AW should try wearing a miniskirt in Medina. Hell, try wearing anything other than a sack in Medina and you'll have stones bouncing off your skull before you can shout "a women's place is in the harem!"

[Guest trex]

But it sounds as if this woman's competency to drive a bus is what should be in question. From what I've read, people who are not competent/qualified are being hired as school bus drivers in Calgary. Seems to me that would be a bigger issue than a headscarf and of more concern.

Yeah I agree. That would also put some blame on the companies who hire and train these people to drive their buses.

[Guest American Woman]

You've never been to a Muslim country, have you? You wouldn't be saying that if you had

According to the CIA World Factbook, there are quite a few nations that have a majority of Muslim people, so yes, I have.

[Guest American Woman]

Yeah I agree. That would also put some blame on the companies who hire and train these people to drive their buses.

I also agree that it would put some of the blame on the companies doing the hiring. I think they should be held accountable too.

Edited to add link

Edited October 27, 2007 by American Woman

[Peter F]

Yes, the Taliban had that. AW should try wearing a miniskirt in Medina. Hell, try wearing anything other than a sack in Medina and you'll have stones bouncing off your skull before you can shout "a women's place is in the harem!"

So fashion police is a bad idea.

[Guest American Woman]

Thought I would post a link to a photo of the bus driver. It's a frozen frame from a clip that appeared on the news.

[CLRV]

Not only does Islamic headgear make a great scapegoat for traffic fatalities, now it seems the Conservatives have identified it as an election threat. This story on the front page of yesterday's Toronto SCUM, with a nice sinister closeup of a woman in a veil. The headline? "Veiled Threat"

OTTAWA -- The Conservative government revived a controversy focused largely on veiled Muslim women by announcing plans to legally require all voters to show their face before casting a ballot in a federal election.

link

NOW we know why the Tories just got their asses handed to them in the Ontario provincial election! It wasn't decent people rejecting the outrages of idiot conservatism at all! It was hoardes of filthy, hairy-pitted Islamic women, their faces carefully hidden, swarming the polling stations in droves, voting and re-voting for pinko, leftist appeasers. Otherwise, we'd be looking at a Tory paradise in Ontario today.

Conservatives should get down on their knees and thank whatever vengeful god they worship that Islamic people are out there to be blamed and attacked for every single problem that comes down the pike. It's gotten so you can't openly hate blacks, hispanics, jews, etc. Too many consequences for the cowardly. But it's still ok to shower shit on muslims. It must be a balm to the tiny nazi hearts of all racists after all the liberal oppression stopping them from spewing their filthy venom on all the other people they hate. But as long as we have muslims, there will still be a powerless minority to deliver a swift kick to every so often, whenever the need arises.

[ScottSA]

Not only does Islamic headgear make a great scapegoat for traffic fatalities, now it seems the Conservatives have identified it as an election threat. This story on the front page of yesterday's Toronto SCUM, with a nice sinister closeup of a woman in a veil. The headline? "Veiled Threat"

link

NOW we know why the Tories just got their asses handed to them in the Ontario provincial election! It wasn't decent people rejecting the outrages of idiot conservatism at all! It was hoardes of filthy, hairy-pitted Islamic women, their faces carefully hidden, swarming the polling stations in droves, voting and re-voting for pinko, leftist appeasers. Otherwise, we'd be looking at a Tory paradise in Ontario today.

Conservatives should get down on their knees and thank whatever vengeful god they worship that Islamic people are out there to be blamed and attacked for every single problem that comes down the pike. It's gotten so you can't openly hate blacks, hispanics, jews, etc. Too many consequences for the cowardly. But it's still ok to shower shit on muslims. It must be a balm to the tiny nazi hearts of all racists after all the liberal oppression stopping them from spewing their filthy venom on all the other people they hate. But as long as we have muslims, there will still be a powerless minority to deliver a swift kick to every so often, whenever the need arises.

Perhaps you should take this up with the Sun, rather than the Conservatives, no?

This sort of scapegoating is only going to get worse, you know. The failure to adopt common sense approaches to immigration and to immigrant absorption guarantees it.

[AngusThermopyle]

It must be a balm to the tiny nazi hearts of all racists after all the liberal oppression stopping them from spewing their filthy venom on all the other people they hate.

It would appear that quite a bit of "venomous hate spewing" is going on right there in that post. Ironic dont you think?

[DogOnPorch]

Not only does Islamic headgear make a great scapegoat for traffic fatalities, now it seems the Conservatives have identified it as an election threat. This story on the front page of yesterday's Toronto SCUM, with a nice sinister closeup of a woman in a veil. The headline? "Veiled Threat"

The headline actually reads: 'Lifting the Veil'...just so you know.

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Canada/2007...609441-sun.html

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I don't think it's so much the material achievements of Islam, which were considerable in their day, which is so important to them as the true belief that Islam is the only thing in this world.

---John Keegan

[Guest American Woman]

The headline actually reads: 'Lifting the Veil'...just so you know.

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Canada/2007...609441-sun.html

Maybe the headline was changed online. Here's a picture of the front page of the Sun that day.

Edited October 30, 2007 by American Woman

[DogOnPorch]

I see...I stand corrected. It is rather provocative.

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---Glenn Quagmire: Family Guy

[Black Dog]

And I wonder from this debate why it's necessary for immigrants and their immediate descendants to dress in costumes when about in society? If they came here didn't they come because they wanted what we have here?

I too, on occassion, wonder what prompts people to wear headscarves, yarmulkes, comically baggy trousers, backwards ballcaps, Lululemon pants, etc etc. But then, when I sober up, I realize these things have no effect on me whatsoever. So I stop.

[RB]

I too, on occasion, wonder what prompts people to wear head scarves, yarmulkes, comically baggy trousers, backwards ballcaps, Lululemon pants, etc etc. But then, when I sober up, I realize these things have no effect on me whatsoever. So I stop.

My nephew Jerome, age 8, came running home from school, panting, panting, shaking, closed the door in a hurry, about to collapse, and scared out of his wits

Yes, some ghost has been following him for a week now, after school, seems to be waiting for him.

It looked like the woman in the photo, dress from head to toe in black floating clothing.

I could say Jerome get use to seeing all these different kinds of dresses..yes

He ended up in therapy

[jbg]

I too, on occassion, wonder what prompts people to wear headscarves, yarmulkes, comically baggy trousers, backwards ballcaps, Lululemon pants, etc etc. But then, when I sober up, I realize these things have no effect on me whatsoever. So I stop.

No, the effect it has on you is the corrosive effect it has on the societal consensus about "what is a Canadian".

[kuzadd]

can't believe this is still ongoing.......but not surprised either.

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I looked at the pic of the woman , her face was not covered at all

The truth is this would not have even been posted here, had the bus driver been wearing a toque and scarf on a chilly morning.

NO one would have posted it.

But any opportunity to scapegoat Muslims, must be taken.

[buffycat]

The truth is this would not have even been posted here, had the bus driver been wearing a toque and scarf on a chilly morning.

But any opportunity to scapegoat Muslims, must be taken.

Indeed!

What about those who drive wearing their 'hoodies'?

What of driving nuns?

But, hey - it's par for the course around here!!

[jbg]

But any opportunity to scapegoat Muslims, must be taken.

If the Muslims had come out clearly and unequivocally against the 911 attacks and similar attacks throughout the world, without mumbling about opposing "all kinds of terror, including Zionism", people would feel different. If the Muslim community were exposing wrongdoers, rather than setting up "charities" that funnel money to Hamas, same story.

Either they are for or us against us. If they live among us, they must be for us or, as some Australian leader said, "clear out".

If it's us or them, I choose us.

[GostHacked]

If the Muslims had come out clearly and unequivocally against the 911 attacks and similar attacks throughout the world, without mumbling about opposing "all kinds of terror, including Zionism", people would feel different. If the Muslim community were exposing wrongdoers, rather than setting up "charities" that funnel money to Hamas, same story.

Either they are for or us against us. If they live among us, they must be for us or, as some Australian leader said, "clear out".

If it's us or them, I choose us.

Iran spoke out against the 9/11 attacks. Iran even helped out the US in Afghanistan. Many muslim countries came out against the attacks on 9/11.

What western charities are set up to fun the Religous Right? I consider the religious right to be a terror threat. All they spew out is hate and the need to attack.

If the US or Canada, or the UK was pointing out wrongdoers among their own, then we can ... oh hell I don't know anymore. People will not see anything they do not want to.

[M.Dancer]

Most Muslim nations expressed support, Iraq and the Palestinians being the exception.

[Black Dog]

No, the effect it has on you is the corrosive effect it has on the societal consensus about "what is a Canadian".

Canadian identity is not a dress code.

If the Muslims had come out clearly and unequivocally against the 911 attacks and similar attacks throughout the world, without mumbling about opposing "all kinds of terror, including Zionism", people would feel different. If the Muslim community were exposing wrongdoers, rather than setting up "charities" that funnel money to Hamas, same story

So because some Muslims do bad things, even tragic traffic accidents are part of the global Jewish Muslim conspiracy?

There's a word for someone who sees sinister invisible tentacles tying disparate events together: paranoid.

Edited October 31, 2007 by Black Dog