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Good one BD. Wow the cons are on a roll today. Did Bush's poll numbers drop again?

Maybe the U.S. should start policing itself, instead of propping up puppet regimes and interfering in world affairs. http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

What a hateful thread. Did somebody piss in your cornflakes this morning Jerry?

There's plenty of right wing hatred toward the left on this forum. I don't think either side has a monopoly on it though.

Well, maybe he's lying today when he says he didn't want a war with Iraq after all. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11941620/page/2/ Man, this guy makes me dizzy.

And still more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1735993,00.html

Ain't this lovely: The US military is investigating two incidents in which American soldiers killed at least 26 Iraqi civilians and then claimed that they were either guerrillas or had died in cross fire. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle...ticle352819.ece http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1749794

Good post. I share those sentiments exactly. Some people on this forum think I hate George Bush. But it is his actions and those of his administration that upset me. My family's background is American so it's ridiculous to assume I have hatred for "all" Americans. Unlike the thinking of some on the right I can distinguish between the US Gov't and it's citizens.

So he was lying yesterday then. Thanks for clearing that up.

Well, Pat Robertson, a CNN reporter is on the ground in Iraq and had this to say on Larry King last night: The mood is one of confusion. It's one of severe mental stress and strain. Families that I talk to worry because they don't know when they go out in the morning if they'll come home, they don't know when their children go out to school if their children will come back. They don't know who's behind the violence. They know they could be mugged that there would be policemen to turn to. They know they could have their homes robbed at gunpoint and there's nobody to call who's going to come and help them. There are insurgents who they fear and sectarian death squads, religious death squads whom they fear. They don't know whose side the Iranians are on, whose side the Syrians are on, exactly what the motives of the United States are. There's a lot of confusion. When you talk to people it's that mental stress and strain that really comes through. After three years of war if you imagine living through that confusion and that fear every single day, it's a weight that really sits heavily on people here

No, I accept things that can be cooberated from a multitude of sources. These documents cannot.

I don't read conservative rags Monty. I read responsible and impartial journalism. Nice try tho.

What you have Monty is an act of desperation from the Bush administration. Mr. Bush and his cronies are simply not credible to me and the majority of American voters. These "documents" suddenly appear out of nowhere? Come on.

Bush today: "First, just if I might correct a misperception, I don't think we ever said -- at least I know I didn't say that there was a direct connection between September the 11th and Saddam Hussein." Really? Well three years earlier he said: "The use of armed forces against Iraq is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001." [President George W. Bush, Letter to Congress, 3/21/03 Was he lying then or now?

This is what the right does best.

It's funny that with all the so-called "evidence" you provide that dear Dubya would say the following: from the speech at the City Club of Cleveland on Monday March 20/06. Their (the terrorist's) goal is to use Iraq as a base from which to launch attacks against America. To achieve this goal, they're recruiting terrorists from the Middle East to come into Iraq to infiltrate its cities, and to sow violence and destruction so that no legitimate government can exercise control "The hatred of the radicals existed before Iraq was an issue" - Oct. 7/05 National Endowment for Democracy in Washington CIA also had doubts: Before the U.S. invasion, the CIA said Saddam Hussein had only circumstantial ties with several al Qaeda members. Osama bin Laden rejected the idea of forming an alliance with Hussein and viewed him as an enemy of the jihadist movement because the Iraqi leader rejected radical Islamic ideals and ran a secular government. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2005Jan13.html This is a very tired argument and hopefully my last comments on this bloody Bush blunder. I leave you with this: A majority of the American people now believes that the president intentionally misled the country into a war that has now cost hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of lives. The only question that remains is: will he and his administration be held accountable? http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/

The great American liberators. I think this quote puts the Iraqi situation in complete perspective. Iraqis are certainly fee now to cower in their homes for days on end with the fear of insurgent reprisals. They are certainly free to not have electricity 24 hours a day, clean water and/or a fully functioning infrastructure that is getting blown up everyday by terrorists/insurgents. Iraqi women and children are certainly free to get slaughtered by U.S. operations looking to weed out an insurgent here and there. And Iraqis are now free to kill our men and women in uniform, something Saddam just recently requested at the behest of his loyalists. I'm sure the embedded insurgents within the Iraqi military and police are anxious to carry out their dear leader's request. Ain't freedom grand?

No civil war in Iraq? Read on: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/GOP_Sen_...l_war_0319.html

Well, according to US diplomat James Akins who served in the Baghdad Embassy at the time of the so-called coup says:"The CIA were definitely involved in that coup. We saw the rise of the Ba'athists as a way of replacing a pro-Soviet government with a pro-American one and you don't get that chance very often." http://www.representativepress.org/CIASaddam.html Of course the U.S. had a hand in it. Just like they had a hand in Guatemala, Indonesia, Chile, Nicaragua, and a long list of other dictatorships. Wake up people.

Thanks for the tip. Here's a couple for ya: http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/ http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/ Enjoy!

It appears that MB hasn't read it either.

Uh, could be because the 9/11 Commission released a report saying that there was no "collaborative relationship" between Al Qaeda and Iraq. I'll take the commission's view over this looney judge who claimed Saddam was behind 911. Even Dubya quit going there.

And this is the result of the right being in power: http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ + 2318 American soldiers dead and 16653 wounded. And how about that "free" Iraq. Care to walk down a street in Baghdad?

Gee, is it a coincidence that Bush is the lowest he's ever been in the polls and all of a sudden we have these "secret documents" floating around?

Excuse my ignorance, but what is NATO's role then in Afghanistan?