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But shouldn't there be imposition of moral duty since we claim enlightenment over most other countries and cultures in the rest of the world? Either we are more morally enlightened, and recognized as such by the ROTW, or we are no better than them and can claim only to be no better. There is no double standard at all, we are simply being held accountable for our claims. I don't think there is anything in your post that implies otherwise.

Well, it doesn't fit perfectly, but considering the OP, it seems to fit fine enough. The whole point was the sheer expense of accessing the system. And while it might be easy to find a lawyer, it is much easier to buy food and water. But of course, justice is not a necessity for life. Or is it? I think what Bonam is referring to is refinements to the system which make it more affordable and easier to access for the middle class than it is today. However, if that were the case, then perhaps we would become a litigious society where suing someone is like getting mail. Would that make things any more "just?" I wouldn't think so. I am surprised that the whole discussion at this point has revolved around lawyers and lawyer fees. I think the refinement of the system has to start with the position of judge and it has to be an open position and open to the commoner, likely as an electable position.

"Many" you say? Then you should be able to go on to the CBC website and post a few links for us to honestly examine in order to believe you right? Well were is one citation? Are you going to or are you going to simply concede the point to Shakeyhands and admit you don't know what you are talking about? You don't have to actually admit to anything of course, just that you not being able to cite anything implies to anyone else reading this that Shakeyhands took you out with a single shot.

Oh, my. The stakes are high indeed. But I'm in, I'll see your Vaughn and Kath and raise you: 1. Chet Atkins 2. Jim Heath (the Right Reverend Horton Heat)

No, it isn't coming to Canada, there is no evidence of it and no one is as particularly paranoid as you. Canadian values have a force all of their own. It's called a winter coat. Once you slip one of those babies on, we are all the same.

Why just require the immigrants to do it? Why not all Canadians? And they pass or they get kicked out right? Although I think a few Canadians, some of them here on this board, would lie through their teeth to remain in the comfort and freedom of the Great White North. Or did you have some other objective test to suggest? A Sorting Hat perhaps?

And the Conservatives spent billions on their 20 friends in just a few weeks last year.

You sue yours and I bet you are throwing more money away than you spend in taxes too. Because you would lose in most cases. Not to mention tying up valuable court time for a nothing cause. Oh wait, an incorporated city or town is not allowed to act like a corporation and make investments and stuff - you know do business. Uh-huhhh....

Of course by this you mean and 'bring your own dope' bars or coffee shops since growing, harvesting and selling it to others is not "personal consumption" but commodity.

I think you missed the point. The poster was asking you to come up with an example of "False and Misleading news" coming from the "liberal CBC." Do you have an example of something that was reported, but not retracted or corrected?

This is the sort of thing I was waiting to hear. Now all we need is some Melange, the spice from the Dune planet Arrakis, a couple of Guild Navigators and we are there!

Oh. George Benson. Good one. Hmmmm... Ok, I see your Benson and Armatrading and toss in: 1. Steve Vai and (wait for it) 2. Pat Metheny

How do you know they haven't? Would you want CSIS to compromise a terrorist case because you have an inferiority complex? I wouldn't. But I doubt they are that sophisticated. Just as likely its all about simple greed.

Surely you are not serious. You take bigoted generalizations about entire populations as truths?

Separate school just for white people? We tried that already and do you know what happened?? Some of them graduated, got elected to Parliament and came up with our immigration policies.

Ok that's fair, so how about the non-Abrahamic world? You are saying that there is no 'force of evil' that manifests itself, but you call certain "things" evil from time to time. What are those 'things' - acts without any thought? What is the nature of that 'psychological barrier?' So how about the 'force of logic' or the 'force of an idea' is it possible for there to be a corresponding 'force of illogic' or 'the force of an anti-idea?' I am not saying that there is a supernatural force to evil (or good), but sometimes the idea of 'supernatural' could act as a medium used to extended complex moral ideas into a psyche that otherwise might not grasp them. Myth has been around for a very long time and is often used to illustrate cultural taboos - those things in which a particular culture might consider the equivalent of our 'evil.' But taboos need to be taught, they are not inherent. (or...are they?) Since they are not inherent, that would imply they exist outside of the individual and could constitute an external 'force.' It is an interesting thread considering BC_chick's "example of universal morality" thread in the Moral and Ethical Issues section.

It is all about taste of course. But then I can ask you, since I have never done any research on it - David Gilmour on some of the solos on Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here - does it sound like he is using a slide?

Oh gawd, no. I could play their songs and some of the lead breaks, but 'as well?" Nooooo. Well, let's see the acoustical play one string at a time as well as Malmsteen! Or the acoustical play an electric. (however, in fairness, if I have heard one Malmsteen tune, I have heard them all) Where's Adrian Belew when you need him? When the 5 year old grows up, when they have written something as amazing as Voodoo Chile, write it then play it. Or even jam on some groove that is even close. It will never happen. Jimi Hendrix, Guitar Hero. 5 year old on YouTube, temporary meme. LOL, I meant Rik Emmett- you know, the Triumph guitarist? But I am sure Kirk Hammett plays classical guitar in his spare time. Who is Andrea Bocelli and why does no one care?

What does that have to do with anything. At any rate, some nights I thought I was. "as good as" If you want technical proficiency, see Yngwie Malmsteen However, once the 5 year old can write something equal to Voodoo Chile, then we'll talk. When a classical guitar player can write something like Voodoo Chile, then we'll talk... no wait, not fair. Jimmie Page played some classical, Eddie Van Halen plays some classical, Kirk Hammett...

More like risking her feelings.

Oh, from a guitar player's perspective, Zep and Yes were in a league of their own. And David Gilmour made Pink Floyd into the band they always wanted to be. Clapton was great, The Cream were way out in front and Deep Purple had the chops. I could play them all, many of the classic solos note for note while seeing double. But none of them - not a single one - can touch Jimi Hendrix. He is the only guitar player to make me feel that I should just put the axe down and fuhgeddaboudit. Hendrix played the guitar like Miles Davis played the trumpet. In fact, it is almost embarassing to say the Hendrix played "the guitar" and Davis played a mere "trumpet." If Hendrix had lived we wouldn't even be having this thread. It would be all about how good Jimi Hendrix really was. Some of his best stuff was the Band of Gypsies Live. If you have never heard it then shut up. One of my all time favourite albums is the Who's Live At Leeds. That captured the essence of what I hoped they would have been back in the day. They had amazing albums, but it was all downhill after 'Who Are You' and Keith Moon's death. Like Zep after John Bonham. The end. As for ripping off blues artists, well, that is a long standing tradition isn't it? Even among blues artists. Do you think that Muddy Waters or Bo Diddley were entirely original? Come on now. A lot of them were "influenced" by Robert Johnson. If you listen even to some of the licks by the Brits in the early 60's you will hear some licks copped note for note, same as some of those old 40's & 50's recordings. They call them 'standards.' I don't hear anyone coming out saying they invented the 12 bar blues or some of the more familiar tags such as the one in 'Dust My Broom.' I am sure even Robert Leroy has his "influences" amongst all the nameless musicians that he heard in all the barrelhouses and dives he ventured into in his formative years.

And yet here you are, using evil Western Culture to get your message across in the very utilitarian and wholly western language of English. By God man you better be Googling, Facebooking and Tweeting from inside China! Perhaps you would be better off Googling, Facebooking and Tweeting to your fellow countryman in China so they can get up the nads to do Tiananmen 2.0. It seems to have worked out for the Egyptians so far. But if you are espousing your opinion about Western Culture using entirely Western Cultural means, no problemo, you are free to do so. Which is likely why it is problematic to Google, Facebook and Tweet from inside China...

LOFL!! ZING!

I live and work in the GTA. Ton's of visible minority tradesmen. One guy, highly educated in India apparently, was over to fix our washer. Good guy. Putting his daughter through to get her Master's degree in one thing or another. Yes!!! Not because of your opinion, but because you are guessing. As I said earlier, the article is social science, not math. This is interesting. A while back there was a huge outcry over the lack of trades people in our workforce and many apprentices were being recruited from Europe. Recruited to come here and ply their trades in Canada. At the time I was intrigued because it never occurred to me that we could be short skilled trades people. I do know that at this point both Ontario and Federal governments are pushing trade certificates and apprenticeships in their re-training programs. She's inferring a trend from the data countering the notion that it is a widely held view that university education leads to better employment possibilities. Agreed, plus another factor. It might be easier for someone to become more adpept at reading a language that actually speaking it fluently enough to communicate complex ideas. Thus I find plenty of computer technicians, who can pass written Microsoft certification tests, but are barely able to discuss design based on business need. Agreed. Plus, since we reply on immigration so much to boost our population growth there will be no political will towards such changes. But that doesn't change the fact that they can. Stranger things have been known to happen. Yet EE is an issue in some quarters and still being examined by Stats Canada. Do you think that EE is not an issue at all nowadays? Fair point, however, is the experience the same in your town - where there are few visible minority trades people - as there is in Toronto or Montreal? Either way, for any problem to be addressed, even in isolated areas, EE legislation is required I would think. Which is a simplistic answer, sure, but illustrative that certain regions undergo different economic stressors, but all have to answer under the same guidelines. Althought it would be interesting to note the visible minority percentages in the Coast Guard. Well here is the double edge: large federal government departments will frequently send out messages to their staff to self-identify so they can gather a current statistical view. If you are a visible minority and choose not to self-identify, guess what happens to the department's numbers?