Moonbox

Certainly not, but it leads us to question where you're drawing the lines. None of what you said really has any bearing either on my original premise, which was that the energy rate increases will hurt the people who are riding hardest on the green energy bandwagon. The irony seems to escape you.

I read your whole post and I agree with lots of it but I have an issue with this point here. Taxes and revenue are required, yes, but the question is how much is required and how much spending is just an outright waste of money, then there is the patronage and crap that goes along with it. I'm not saying the NDP's ideas are all bad, but there are a lot that make me cringe. Free trade is a great idea, in principle, providing there is a level playing field. Trade with China, however, or Mexico etc, is probably doing more harm than good. You're right, I can get cheap jeans and buy more shit, but generally it's just shit I don't need and never use. My life hasn't been improved at all.

Really? Just the middle class folk eh? We're all calling for higher corporate taxes? That's why the Liberals have been so anti-corporation for the last decade or so??

They invaded China??? This is news to me!

My point was that the people clamoring the loudest for environmental change and Green Energy are the ones it's going to hurt the most. FYI I'm part of the (young) middle-class majority. I'm not speaking from an altar. I just can't relate to idiots who run themselves off a cliff. Warren Buffet's so rich right now he can safely say whatever he wants. The world could fall down around him and he'd still be a billionaire.

bush this is priceless. Please don't stop. I want to bookmark this thread.

I sure do. The whole platform of the NDP last election revolved around it too.

It has nothing to do with compassion. If the collective majority is going to WILLFULLY screw itself and bring me down with it, the only thing they'll get from me is sneering contempt. It's very easy to be "compassionate" with other people's money, but let's see what people think when their hydro bills go up and it ends up being THEIR money as well.

They have Yaks there? I'm booking my ticket now!!

Body scanners are so that people don't carry bombs and weapons on to planes to crash planes. That's security. Filtering internet traffic so that your people can't see anything that the government doesn't want them to see isn't security. That's the government being scared that the Chinese people will figure out the world outside actually IS better than in China (which is why millions have left China for North America). Why don't people want to move to China???

Yes obviously...I mean we never here people whining about lowering corporate taxes or anything like that right? Right??? When they willingly screw themselves? Actually yes.

There are some very simple questions that bjre needs to answer before anything he/she says will be worth ANYTHING. First, why are tens of thousands of Chinese moving to Canada every year, and why aren't any Canadians moving to China. Second, why is Chinese internet traffic so strictly censored, if not to keep the Chinese people ignorant to the realities of the world? It's quite clear the government of China is terrified of the Chinese people thinking for themselves.

The crybabies are going to be the ones who are in the worst position fend for themselves -- namely the poor people who are already whining all the time anyways. The funny thing is that while these people are the ones bleating on and on about green power, they're also the people hurt most by higher energy prices. In a way I'm almost looking forward to how stupid it will look on them when they have trouble paying their hydro bills. It will just be annoying for me. For them it will actually hurt.

The best part is that probably the majority of environmentalists are net drains on the economy in the first place. They're probably paying dick all in taxes anyways.

and for the last 100+ years we've been the cause of their poverty and suffering???

Man I was going to say the same about you here too...It seemed like everyone was being reasonable and having a good discussion. You don't think the immigration system is borked and full of fraud?

Yeah I would have to agree with that, especially the part about immigration lawyers.

I think it was the Czech Republic and Mexico that we did it too. Regardless, EU members shouldn't have refugees and if they do they should sort it out themselves. As for bogus claims, there are thousands indeed. I read an article where they said almost 60% of claims were withdrawn partway (after they got to Canada and started on social assistance already) or flat out rejected. Those are some pretty bad numbers.

Wyly I like your previous point I think it should be an EU problem to solve for sure, but even then there are still thousands of bogus applicants from other countries that we'll end up supporting on welfare anyways. As for the cost of civil servants vs cost of welfare for refugees, I highly doubt that we have 1 civil servant for every 6-8 refugee claimants. I think this might be a case where more government would actually save money. The thought itself is crazy isn't it .

Oh wow! When was that and how were we supposed to stop it?

Why should it be raised? LoL

Read the whole article. It says at the end that part of the proposal is to eliminate half of the appeal process for claimaints from 'safe' countries. Regardless, it's the provinces who are dangling the carrot in front of these people's faces and they need to make changes too.

The Immigration Minister has put forth a recommendation to change some of the processes for refugee immigration claimants. Mainly it looks like he wants to stem the abuse of the system from bogus refugee claims. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/generous-welfare-lures-dubious-migrants-to-canada-minister-says/article1519393/ There's absolutely no reason a refugee claim should take 4-5 years to process -- especially when we are paying welfare benefits to these people the entire time.

Oooh. I'm interested. Care to elaborate on how Canada's responsible for Haiti being the armpit of this side of the world?

I don't need to explain the difference to you. I wasn't expressing any hidden meanings. My point was that it's easy for people who don't pay taxes to be very liberal with public dollars. I don't agree with either the per vote subsidy or the donation one, but at least someone who is donating money is making a sacrifice from their own wallet.