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How about argueing with CBC???? http://www.cbc.ca/doczone/paganchrist.html How about Dan Brown's Divinci Code? http://www.reviewsofbooks.com/da_vinci_code/review/ And Last but not least? Perhaps Jesus was a plain out Fraud as outlined by Moses http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_...3&version=9 Of course anyone with mental reasoning skills and not suffering from dementia of sorts will be able to apply the "miranda rule" to the words of Jesus http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/M/Mirandawarning.aspx Of course the court of law is God's judgement and scrutiny. That God? God of Jacob, God of Moses, God of Abraham, God of Isreal, so on and so forth. Now do I really need to elaborate on what Jesus said?? and did to bring about his death? If this Jesus existed what he did was no different than going into an airport yelling I have a bomb and I am going to shoot you all. We all know what will happen to such an individual who is stupid enough to do that.

I just finished watching a documentary on the planet and what we humans are doing to it. http://11thhouraction.com/seethefilm I would have to say to you autoworkers and oil sand workers on behalf of the planet fak u and your highminded self serving employment. All can be said just like Big Tobacco your days of polluting peoples minds with your self rightous entitlement to work at the expense of the world's environment are numbered. You represent a dragon the world is eager to slay. I can assure you I myself will not buy another American shitbox so please for the love the planet do not build any more of your shitboxes that are only going to sit on parking lots because millions of other people will also not be buying your shit. WHY???? Because we already know as soon as we buy your gas guzzling shit boxes and begin driving we will be strangled by the Gas/Oil Companies with their greed. The Governments love it because they get all the Gas Taxes collected at the pump. But of course the bureacratic and political trash don't see that as a false economy because when people suffer life destruction because they are not able to freely move about when they want and this is only because of money - What can be done?? If the Oil/Gas companies steal all your money How are people suppose to pay their mortgages, buy food, go camping, skiing, essentially live the life they have? But really, I know the mind of the corporation and those in the ranks. For the most part they do not have a conscious and do not see people as people but a means to an end. Who knows with the bailing out of wall street maybe this will finally be the end of the all encompassing evil corporation whose only goal is to exploit wealth at all costs. Maybe this will mean those in the corporate ranks will be held to account for their actions with jail. Maybe the politicians will begin filtering the government trash who look the other way while corporations abuse and betray the public. Just maybe we are turning a corner to a new era. Really, I doubt this, so we all have to do as state by moses "eye for eye, tooth for a tooth." If the Governments, Politicians, Corporations, and those in the corporate ranks deny and deprive you the necessities to live a happy life you must unleash the unhappiness back upon these pricks. What that involves will be your discretion. A good source for Inspiration is http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/index...;vid=9#booklist Forget the New, Focus on the old!!

Yes, Let them fail. However, you are missing the fact the government bureacrats and political trash are conspiring against you by making you compete with the world for any job you apply for. Canada has a policy of bringing in 300 000 immigrants not including all the ones who come to Canada on a work permit because the employer claims they can't find the skillset from Canada's Job seekers. Canada's real unemployment rate is really 15% to 20% with this kind of employment rate employers are free to repress the wages and treat you like garbage because they know they will find someone else with little effort and will be free to continue exploiting and cheating workers.. You can thank the Harper Government for this kind of work environment. Sorry Pal, we don't have a fair market place where supply and demand rules the day. What we have is supply purposely sobotaged by the bureacrats, politicians, and employers to drive down wages and your quality of life.

For once I agree with what you say but you have to look at the real enemy => Government Unions, Bureacrats, the Banks, and other group who has bought the politicians. Canada is suppose to be a democracy where we elect politicians who will appoint people to cabinet who will direct government to serve you the voter Not happening because Canada is extemely corrupt with entrenched egotistical politicians and bureacrats. They are about making Canada serve them like they are royalty and the Canadian people are here to serve them. Canada is and has been operating like a communist country. In a communist Country people serve the government. In a democratic country, the government serves the people. How is it that these politicians and bureacrats can get away with running Canada this way?? Oh, is it because Canada's political structure was designed that way to serve the Queen (which is similar to a communist political structure). Because the Queen is nowhere to be found Canada is being exploited by the Liberals and Conservatives alike. To End the Corruption, Canadians need to wake up and write letters to buckingham palace to get the queen more in tune to how Canadians are beeing abused by the Politicians and bureacrats of Canada. The Queen has the power to veto all government actions especially if the actions are designed to benefit special interest groups.

Huh?? Napoleon Hill - Think and grow rich there are more riches than just money There is the spiritual rich. Being skilled with having less and being happy/Ok is a bad thing?? Some call that prudent, thrifty, astute, all the virtues most with money know little about. The most valued treasure of Life is Knowledge and wisdom. The truly poor is the "unskilled" ignorant jack #$S who sits on his laurels thinking he is so much better than everyone else because he happens to have a bigger bank balance and exploits and cheats people to earn his money. As for your spin on the japanese automakers. All I am saying is Honda, Nissan, and Toyota already have the cars people need to today and are working on the cars for tommorrow without Government Money. GM and Chrsler want to take money to develop cars for today and tommorrow. Makes no sense. Let them go bankrupt.

Like a crack wh#$% doesn't know when to call it quits. I don't Canada auto workers and politicians are getting it. The world financial tsunami is because the credit market was an elaborate ponzi scheme propogated by wall street. Where are all these investment banks now?? Gone, Gone, with the Likes of Enron and all the hedge funds with them. Who is going bring back the credit scam?? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Canada go ahead and throw money into the abyss. What's going to happen when all these cars are manufactured and nobody is buying them because they are shit cars compared to what Nissan, Toyota, and Honda are offering now. They are going to be sitting and the inventory is going to build. Then what? Crush Them?? Very Environmentally Friendly Listen To the US Politicians!!! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO to Auto Bailout. If Canada is throwing money into the mix it has to mean Design and Engineering Jobs. We all know not likely so kiss the 3 Billion Good Bye along with mass job losses anyway.

huh?? Ford owns volvo!!! http://www.auto123.com/en/news/car-news/fo...vo?artid=103298

Today's Reality Americans Are getting gas at 53 cents a litre we 73 cents. Americans Already Got 600 per Individual and 300 per child Stimulus Cheques. Americans Enjoy Fast Food and Beer Prices considerably Lower than Canada. Icing on Cake??? Aside from the sub prime Americans get Forgivable loans to help buy a house if they live in that house at least 5 years. They also are able to write off their mortgage interest to boot. When it comes to quality of life its not hard to see how Canada's bureacrats, politicians, and the corporate raiders value and see Canadians: Consumer and economic slaves.

As I said, conflict of interest. She represents the Queen and oversees the parliament. The GG does not act for the PM and his appointed cabinet.

whining because it didn't go my way?? I am on record for saying screw the coalition. It should have went to the parliament for a vote after which a decision by the Governor General should have been made to let the coalition govern or hold another election. I stated hold another election and I gave my reasons why. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....showtopic=12760

Then she should have allow him to face the house in a vote of confidence. Harper suposedly lost the confidence of the house. This would have been established had he faced a democratic vote of parliament.

Who are these ministers of the Crown?? As far we know the Governor General represents the Queen. How and who the Governor General consults to make a decision on the running of parliament is certainly a question. If the Governor General is consulting with with the Prime Minister and the Ministers she has entered into a conflict of interest to the parliament of Canada. The fact is, she made a decision which should have been made by the parliament. Because of this, The Governor General has the power to suspend parliament if and when asked. The Governor General answers to the Queen not to Canada.

Proof is in the actions. It's a matter of logical deduction my dear watson. If as people insist the governor generals role is ceremonial than it would go to reason she should followed the "will" of parliament. The fact is the role of Prime Minister is a created role and only exists because the so called ruling party created the position. If the governor general was in fact ceremonial she would have sidestepped harper and pushed the matter back on parliament to allow the will of parliament to decide Harper's fate. Because the Governor General intervened she alone saved Harper from the "will" of the democratically elected members of parliament. Because of this move the Governor General is now empowered to suspend parliament at her discretion. As I stated, English Common Law is one of Precedents and the Governor General has indeed set a precedents with her actions.

Harper was granted a one to one, face to face meeting with the Governor General whereas the coalition had to send over a letter of intent. Everyone insists the Governor General's position is ceremonial but she in fact crossed the line when she agreed to close parliament at Harper's request. Harper's demeanor is rather threatening in the house of commons one could only imagine if you were alone with him in a room. What has been established Here? Traditionally, the English Common law is one of precedents. When something has been done once it can be replicated without an appeal to a higher power/court. In the Governor Generals case the appeal would have to be the queen herself. The New Governor General Power? She has the power to suspend/close parliament if and when she is asked. This could be useful going forward. I wonder if the Governor General could also go as far as suspending parliament without pay????? EDITED by moderator This post was once the Opening Post of a thread entitled: Harper Bullied the Governor General? -- Sometimes its hard to say NO! It has been merged into this previous thread on the same topic.

Actually, I believe there is pay equity laws out there. If you do the job you get the pay. It's hard to figure how these laws are bent to accomodate the greedy and self serving. These political a-holes better start standing behind the laws they create and force equality across the board. That means a pay cut across the board and severing of legacy costs from the balance sheet. Why should current shareholders, Bondholders, employees and management be beholden to costs that should have been accounted off the books and dispensed of. The reality is bankruptcy of GM and Chrysler is right action. These workers have gotten their heaven off the backs of exploiting auto parts suppliers and their exploitating of workers of paying them $10 an hour with no benefits or Chance of Full time employment at a descent wage. The fact is, Corporate America/Canada have zero say going forward. The minute they asked for welfare checks they lost all their rights to their exploitive repressive business practices. Corporation and their management deserve to be prosecuted and fined to the full extent of law when it comes to their business practices and mismanagement. The message to be learned with all the bailouts is it ok to lie and cheat people. So remember people when and if times do get tough. Do not be afraid to do what you have to do, to Eat!

Well, I didn't want to point out the obvious but some need the obvious. ahhh, if GM and Chrysler go bankrupt they will no longer be selling cars. If they are no longer going to be selling cars in North America, would this not translate into higher sales for Honda, Toyota, Nissan, and whoever else?? Was it that hard???

John Manley????

From a benefit point of view, Ground Zero is to "own" the company. If the governments set up a trust to oversee these shares and sell them off as the economies recovered I believe the taxpayers would come out of this with huge returns. What is happening instead is the shareholders of GM, Ford, and Chrysler laughing all the way to the bank. Hold on wait, I have to go buy some GM shares Actually, this open up a huge integrity problem when it comes to accounting and shareholder entitlement. The US for the most part is land of cheaters. How many companies over the years have cheated investors or deprived company profits to investors through accounting loopholes. The US capital market is a cheat and a fraud. Until the US redresses this, they will get zero confidence and respect from the world investment community.

I support a bailout on One Condition. The US congress and Canada collectively buy up all the shares of GM, Chrysler, Ford and put those share in a public Trust overseen by a board who scrutinize and evalutate the company's actions. Cost?? GM's market value - 7 Billion US http://www.cnbc.com/id/25392542 Chrysler market value - 7 Billion US http://www.247wallst.com/2007/04/what_is_chrysle.html Ford market value - 5 Billion http://finance.sympatico.msn.ca/Investing/...mentid=11070250 Total Cost to Buy GM, Chrysler, and Ford 19 Billion. Because They wanted 34 Billion from the US and 6 Billion from Canada that leaves 21 Billion to pump into the Auto Companies to make them viable. So what makes sense, hand them over money or take the companies on behalf of taxpayers and then pump money into them??

The Fact is Bombadier does the Engineering, Research and Designing in Canada, therefore deserves taxpayer support. The Auto Makers use Canada for production only and to exploit a lower dollar versus the US. These automakers deserve nothing From Canada. Yes, Mapleleafweb obviously supports a welfare check to the Auto Industry and wanted my Topic Headline to be muted. NO! NO! NO! To 6.8 Billion to Auto Sector. The Money should go to Honda, Toyota and the Prudent

It's false economics. If there was any economic value realized by these auto companies it would certainly be wiped out by giving the 6.8 billion to them. Where is this money going to come from?? Why should other sectors taxes go to subzidize these losers. Why should Honda and Toyota be penalized for running a proper business and building products that makes sense to the market. It time politicians reward good businesses with good money and shit companies with the boot to the bankruptcy court where their assets can be bought for ten cents on the dollar and sold to Toyota and Honda so they can pick up the production slack left behind by no GM, Chrysler, and ford.

I think some people are getting it. Consumers do not want to buy American Gas Guzzling shitboxes. These cars can all go to the crusher for all they are worth. Honda, Toyota, and Nissan are making fuel efficient Cars that people want to buy. This 6.8 billion should be put in front of them to expand their production in Canada and that will sustain the auto Industry in Ontario. Put good money after good. The fact is Canada for alot of years has been relying on Commodites to sustain it self. Politicians have to recognize Canada is a Naturally wealth Country with resources that can be sold to anyone in the world. Canada has to open up serious trade relations with Europe and tell the US to FAK OFF.

It's not rocket science to figure out what the game is be played out. GM, Chrysler have been abusing the American Consumer for Years with over priced Cars. This is mostly because of the Pensions, Wages, and Health Costs of these "Royal" Auto Workers. In their greed they have driven the companies to bankruptcy now they want you the Consumer to pay again through your taxes which will have to be paid out from Future Taxes. They can all FAK OFF. It's time these workers come down to earth with their wage and pension expectations. If anyone knows how the Auto Sector works is you have auto parts suppliers who pay about $10 dollars an hour through temp agencies with no benefits and zero chance of becoming full time employess. This is the auto sectors way of Business. This wage is below the poverty line. Now the GM, Chrysler and Ford worker get $40 dollars an hour plus pension and benefits. Seem Right, NO? This industry can fak off. To all of Canada's politicians (provincial and Federal) the only solution is to setup Food Banks and create infrastruce work to keep people earning money until the economy is sorted out because of you stupid ignorant dumbasses. Rewarding the stupid with Good Money is reckless and solves nothing. GM has a market cap of 2.5 Billion? Why would anyone loan them money when the company can be bought by the Taxpayers and then taxpayers can pump money into the company until it is turned around by the taxpayers. After that, the company's shares can be resold. http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=gm

Last Week George Bush was on record of Saying he did not want throw good money after Bad in Bailing out the Auto Sector. I think he is on to something for once. If Bush has any spine he will veto the 15 Billion dollar package put out for Congress to help the Auto Sector. The Auto Sector Got 15 Billion from the US but they want 6.8 Billion From Canada. Absolute Nonsense. The United States has GDP of 12 Trillion, Canada maybe 1.5 Trillion. The US has 300 million in population, Canada 30 Million. What we have is a factor of 10 here. At most 1.5 Billion in Auto Sector support. Do the numbers. Face it the world Knows Americans are stupid (when it comes to understanding economics), lazy, so full of shite they can go feck themselves. The sooner Canada Secures our Border against the Americans and begins Serious Trade Negotions with Europe and Other Countries the Sooner Canada will find its way to "sovereignty/Independence" from the US parasite. The fact is the game is up for the United States. The world knows their game. In this time of economic confusion do not throw good money after Bad. Honda and Toyota are manufacturing Heavily in Ontario. If there is any money it should be put their way to have them expand their business to take advantage of those Losers at GM, Ford, And Chrysler.

The 1982 constitution is her fault and all that has befallen Canada since then as well. It's unfortunate that it will take strong acts by strong personalities to bring democracy to Canada and to end the communist regime of bureacrats, cons, libs, and media who exploit Canada to feather their own nests and stroke their idea of life even it is contrary to Canada and Europe's Heritage.