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This is truth. In fact they are moving, not for following western demonstration, but for the high oil price and pollution of its environment. They have just passed a labour protection law that means all sweatshops will be politely expelled out of China, if those loacal goverments in poor area could enfore the law efficiently. But it is not a good news to Canadian. I guess those factories would not come back Canada because the cost here is too high, but they will just move to Vietnam or Cambodia, Perhaps further North Korea. And I have not doubt that both CEOs of like Walmart and western politicians are trying to make India to "second China" to rouse competition between these two big developing countrys. Honestly, I don't think this is a good scheme to developed countrys like Canada. Westerners should not suppose China would stop at its current position waiting India to catch up. China has upgrade its railway system to 300km/h, uses homemade trains after bought 2 Canada made trains, and 100 seat airplane will have its first fly several month later. Perhaps it is not a current threatening to some Canadian company like Bombardier except in China domestic market, but it would be a potential threathening, and Canadian would soon have two "competitors" both of China and India from different directions of competition if Canada could not move its position to an "upper" level and make its companys more competitive.

It's kinda barbaric, but it's also these soldier's duty. I think to be these common soldier, killing a chicken is enough. But to these commandos or special forces soldiers, I mean the one who needs to stab a knife into enemy'sentinel's back or strangulate him by a rope, army officers might ask him to do more. I read the articles many years ago when I was a college student. It was writen by a journalist and described the training of these commandos. I could hardly remember which country's commandos they were and the details of the article. But the part of the article impressed me is "commandos were put into a void small island without any weapons, food, water and fire matches except a dagger....the soldier caught and killed a rabbit and drank its blood....one soldier was chawing a rabbit eye and then spat it on the earth and said coolly it's flavourless...." Another article described marine commandos cought fish from sea and drank its succulent for supply of fresh water. I have never enrolled army and I don't know if it is truth or just writers' fictions. But I have a feeling of they are truth.

No one force China to accept these waste. I was not accusing anyone even those poor Chinese peasants who brought these wastes into China themselves. They was given birth by their illiterate parents not themself, but they have to find a way to survival. This is why developing country needs birth control policy. Several decads ago, most of these countrys were neither doctors nor hospitals and people might die in various diseases , the only way to continue their race was to breed more baby, so breeding more baby has become a part of their culture. Suddenly, after WW2, western physic and medicine flooded into these country and cured every sick kids to health---these is a good thing. But the culture could not change as fast as the application of medicine, so the surplus of population emerged. And those huge number of people need survival, they need to do somthing making their life better. So the cheap merchandizes they made flooded everywhere of developed country and made some guys losed their jobs. Even if developed countrys blocked all trade with China could not solve the problem because other deveoping countrys might buy these goods and without their cheap Chinese factory, western companies would lose the competition in those raw material produce developing countrys unless they liked to lower their moral criterian back to colonial age with the way of grabing the raw material from developing countrys by war. If China had less population, it could mostly develop its economy by itself resource, so other countrys would be less affected. It's good to both western and China. The other developing countrys are the same. I gusee if the population of Africa were as the same as 100 years ago, 90% of tribal wars, western so-called humanitarian disaster, would not happen.

Thank you to point out the fault in may post. I'm sorry to use these words. I think using the words of "developing country's human rights" and "developed country' human rights" would be better. I knew these. I have several relatives and classmates lived in Canada and America, they were immigrants and most of them's living level are even better than a lot of native born people. It seems there is a possibility that American would have their first minority president. If the majority of a nation did not have tolerance, they would not allow these happening.

Investigation of the death of a dog is far harder than the death of a man. If the victom was a man, the investigators would always be able to find some his friends or relatives for getting information. But from where they could find the dog's friends? They would hardly be sure the dog have ever existed if the dog's corpse has been eaten by a vulture or something and the soldiers denied what they threw off the cliff was a real dog. I don't think American government needs cover this event up if it was the action of an individual soldier. But I remember I have ever read some articles which described that some western armies used the way of killing animals to train their commandos "brutal", because most western kids were grown in "civilized" environment and was supposed not brutal enough to be a good soldier. They think if a soldier was not brutal enough to kill a dog or rabbit, how would they expect him to trigger his gun at the first moment as he met an enemy soldier in battle field? perhaps this soldier is not a common soldier, he is the one of those who were trained to do this without any guilty feeling to perform special assignment. This is why they posted the video on the internet and were not aware they were making trouble for themselves. From another point of view, I technically also feel some detials of the video is suspicious. The all video was obviously recorded by a mobile phone or a mini digital camara but the puppy's whine was too clear even if she has gone as far as at the bottom of cliff. I think the microphone of the soldier's cell phone must be very sensitive or there maybe were other causes beyond what we could see from video.

I agree what most people here have pointed out, that the increase of greenhouse gas from developing countries such as China and India will gorge any western decrease. But I think the main cause of the increase of developing countries is that the so-called "decrease" of greenhourse gas from developed countries merely mean those developed countries have moved most of their chimneys and pollutant producing factories to developing countrys. Just as the second story I have posted. And Kyoto Protocol is based on reducing a country's CO2 emission from its current amount. If developing countries like China and India acted as the way that developed countries act, it would just be like my first story, the capitalist cuts a yacht, workers cut the meal. It is really unfair. This is why Kyoto Protocol temporarily did not ask China and India having a limits of greenhouse gas emission. I'm not sure whether the globe warming is truth or merely a myth. If it was a myth which was invited by those environmental scientists for getting funds, it would be the most expensive joke in human history. If it is truth, I think the only way is to support the birth control in developing country to reduce the sum of human population, unless the concept of those civilized guys' "human rights" is Canadian have white human rights to drive SUV while African merely have black human rights to ride donkey.

There is another joke about capitalist and environmentalist: There was a Canadian capitalist who have a huge factory with thousands of smoking chimneys. After these chimneys brought Canada into a civilized country and, also contaminated every corner of Canadian atmosphere, his factory was enclosed by furious environmentalists so he decided to emigrate to China, with his factory and, of course with all his chimneys so all Canadian environmentalists cheered for their success of saving the earth from the globe warming. Meanwhile, after several years of warm welcome for booming China economy, the capitalist's factory and its chimneys was blocked by Chinese brutal police for its smoke made communist chairman asthmatic. So the capitalist emigrated to Africa and the Chinese government began to cheer their contribution of protecting earth environment. And of course, the capitalist was eventually expelled from Africa for his smoke poisoned the king's baby prince to pneumonia and the king also was award a Nobel Prize for his contribution of cutting off carbon dioxide emission of his country. According there were not any chimneys left in any country, the environmentalists around world decide to shift their career to pursue the great goal of establishing peace in Afghanistan after they held a ceremony to celebrate their contribution of saving earth. For no where to lie his chimney and the acknowledgement of his duty to product cheap merchandises to satisfy all environmentalist and non-environmentalist around world for their good life, the capitalist decided to build a huge float island drifting on oceans to lie his factory and chimneys . The float island belonged to no country but himself so he thought there would no one could ever bother him. Several years later, after each piece of ice of earth was meltdown by his chinmeys and the sea flooded every piece of dry land, he received a dozen of urgent telephone call everyday from PMs, chairmans, Kings....for asking him to emgrate their country to give their people a hitchhiking on his float island...

About the issue of these civilized emissions vs those uncivilized emissions, please allow me to make a joke by a story of environmentalists: There was a rich Canadian environmentalist who was a capitalist and he generously hired a dozen of poor $8/h workers, who like most Canadian also were environmentalists, to save them from misery of unemployment. One day the capitalist gathered all his workers and lectured them, "As the owner of a environmental control business, I declare that I will give up one of my two luxury yachts for cutting down 50% carbon dioxide emission of my family. For honoring our common value of environmentalism, I also strongly recommend all of you to fellow me and plunge into the same action of cutting your families emissions 50% off." His workers tried to say something but they didn't, for they all knew how high the moral criterian their superior adopted. Next day evening, the capitalist went into fury for he found the efficiency of his product line declining 50% in the afternoo. He sent for the forman and asked him why this happened. "My lord," the foreman said, "your workers did not eat any food at noon, whatever representation would you expect for them? " "Why didn't they have lunch at noon? " the civilized, generous, environmentalism and human rights believed superior asked with surprise. "Your workers decided to fellow you to cut their families' carbon dioxide emission off, but they had not a yacht to cut, even had not a car or motorcycle to cut, so they had to cut off one of their cookings a day to catch up your moral criterian...."

Governments tax a corporation for the reason that a corporation usually is treated as an independent individual in economic activity not by it producing contamination, because it is not that a corporation with high income would make more pollution. A software company maybe should have the same income as a power plant, but it produce less pollution than a powerplant. That a corporation is treated as an individual means the shareholders of the corporation are treated separately from the business and will not need to take the full responsibility. For example, if a person held $10 share of a corporation and the corporation went into brankruptcy, the renter would only take the share from him not his all property whether how many debt the corporation would owe from others. The government tax shareholders' income just for them does not take the full responsibility of the corporation. And I'm not sure but I think the dividends would have been deducted from the taxable income of a corporation when government taxed it, so it is not a double taxation.

About English teachers in China, there is another drollery to show how judging peope by their skin color are stupid. Due to more and more people get rich in some China small town, more and more parents there want their kids to be teached by British English teachers and due to British in TV usually are white guys, so most of them believe only a white teacher could teach their kids with "pure" English pronunciation. But the kindergartens in small towns usually can not recruit enough British teachers, because most of them lives in big city. So a headmaster of a kindergarten in a small town hired a dozen of Russian as the kid's English teachers to cater for parents' skin color favor. Before the scandal was revealed by a journalist, those Russian English teachers had bred out a lot of Russia flavor English speaking kids for their skin color believing parents.

I don't know who painted the portrait for him, but I think the painter would pretty fit to be a police portrait painter for outlaws. According to some Chinese newsletters I read, he was not as bad as the picture showed. That night, he just had too many alcohol in a dinner party with his friend. He got a detain for 6 month and needed to pay the bank $2,000 for the damage of the machine.

It is reasonable. I also want these will never be a part of Canadian culture just as Americans also don't want puppy cliff crashing will not be a part of culture of their army. I'm sure all these will not be a part of Canadian culture or American army culture. Because there have a screen to guarantee most of immigrants or army soldiers will not be criminals, perverts, acidheads, terrorists or AIDS virus carriers. Several cases you mentioned above are only exception of the failure of screen system----just as any screen system also has several percentage of failure, such as CIA may also have some kGBs inside it. These several criminals' actions could not be considered as a culture. In China, there are also a lot of foreigners from developed country, occasionally several of them also committed crime or improper behaviors. There is an example below. These don't mean white guys have brought the culture of ATM crashing into China. Rage against the machine

I agree with you. But are we so different? One thousand years ago, I suppose British was not strong enough then, if a China emperor had a fleet to reach England, what would he do? Grab all British gold back China, or just carry some pretty white girls to renew his concubines? Sometime people like someone just because he has some function to them. There is a story: In WW2, American had to commanders in Pacific region. One was Admiral Chester Williaam Nimitz, another was General Douglas MacArthur. Nimitz was mild but MacArthur was arrogant, so both two commanders disliked each other. One day, a journalist occasionally found Admiral Nimitz always had a MacArthur's Photo frame on his desk of office and he knew that the two commanders were disharmonious so he was very curious why Nimitz did that. He asked Nimitz and got an answer:"have his photo on my desk just for keeping me away from the manner of arrogance." But I guarantee I like him just because I like smart and frank guys. I have gotten a lot of the function I mentioned above from my countrymen in the past years, so I have no need of any American imports. I recite the story just for trying to say: if we dislike someone's way he used against us, we should not cheerfully use the same way to treat him or others.

To those Canadian who believe that the culturals of those Canadian who were born in foreign countries and came Canada as immigrants are also the part of "Canadian culture", the answer should be 100%. Judge whether a man was an idiot depends on which criterian people would adopt. Four hundred years ago, a teen student who believed that earth rotates around the sun was considered as an idiot by most of teachers. But today, a teen student who believed that the sun rotates around earth usually could be considered as an idiot by most of teachers.

Now, I have fully understanded the intention of the post you posted though I still think it is better way to post the part of I quoted in an independent topic. I like her too, both the wisdom and the manner to deal with the insultation from others. I also like Bush_Cheney_2004, both his wisdom and his army style frank and rudeness--especially when he tought others using the same way to treat the state he loved. I also like people like leafless, they speak frankly what they though, though sometime they spoke unintentionally not exactly what they wanted, that made them looked bad than they actually are. I'm not a good cook, but I think even the best cook could not stew a pot of stone into delicious by adding some condiment into soup. If any bouillon has flavor, it mainly because it really have meat, not only added condiment.

I meant the guys of your so-call socialist liberals are not share the same culture with you though most of them are white guys, if you do not only define the concept of culture as food or suit something. And do you think you would share more same parts of culture with a pothead white guy or a white criminal more then a non-white immigrant like me? I think I can understand that your real concern is that the bad part of the culture of some immigrants coming from developing country would downgrade the good part of culture of Canadian. I didn't mean the culture of developing country are absolutely "down" and I don't think everyone who lives in developing country would have the same culture with his countrymen just as not every white Canadian would have the same culture, but I agree most developing country have more bad parts of culture than most develop country. I think this is why these country (include China) are called developing countries. If someone though the criterian is merely depended on the salary or welfare something, I have no doubt that Saudi Arabia will be considered the most developed country in the world. But your post, literally, seems associated culture with skin color, I think it is wrong. For one, Senator Obama's culture is more same with Senator Clinton's than some Aferican dictators even about food and suit, I guess. I'm not sure I'm the qualified guy here to judge the argue between British and French original Canadian. But I think you would consider this from a historic point of view. In my comprehension of Canadian history, French Canadian keeping their culture and language is a convention between British government and them in hundreds years ago. If Canadian English speaking majority tried to change this convention, Canada would face serious separatism problem far more than today. China government also do same things funding minority area. In Tibet, each traffic sign was wirten with Tibet words and China government funds each temple to buy lama's loyalty, recently they built a railway for them, cost tens billion of dollars----just for it is not too expensive than facing lama rioting.

I agree the comment. I think if a man who believes his judgement could be beyond the law, he will not be a qualified policeman. And there are not only police was restricted by law, but alos everyone were restricted by law and every occupations were restricted by their bylaw or inner rules. A doctor who invented a new remedy to treat his patient also needs to get some kind of warrant from authority before he practices his invention though he believes the treatment would save his patient's life. I admit that sometime laws and judges (of couse and lawyers) make us acting like fools. But one thing must be considered before we decide to get rid of them---without them, things might be going to more worse.

I think the key is whether the police had the rights to open the "crumpled paper bag" which contained cocaine bags--which obviously could not be used to contain liquor. I guess they did not have the right to open it according Canada law. If the cocaine was in a glass bottle on the seat so police could spot it out directly, there would be no problem to convince the young guy of cocaine trafficking even if the police were searching the liquor. But if the police did not sure there were cocaine in the bag and they did not get a warrant to search the bag while the law requires them must have the warrant, the the way of they collecting evidence (cocaine) would be considered illegal. And I'm not sue how Canadian law would deal with such illegal collected evidence, but I'm sure Chinese law treats illegal collected evidence as void evidence and judge will ignore it---though Chinese judges does not always act according law, but usually in some nonpolitical cases they may judge by law and I have seen several similar cases which have roused extensive arguments between public, media and lawyers in recent years.

I think he meant he would never have problem with immigrants whom had entirely been "assimilated" into Canada cultural but I guess he just thought that those immigrants who disagreed or partly disagreed his point of view had not been "assimilated" into Canada culture. And I suppose he did not aware that those his so-called "socialist liberal" culture is also a part of Canadan culture---this is partly why the culture are called "multiculture" by Canada politicians. And he also did not aware several hundreds years ago, before any non-white gene was "multied" into "Canada culture", those pure white guys also killed each other in North America, first british immigrants made war with French immigrants, then 13 colonies of pure British rebelled British King and the War lasted several years, meanwhile "pure whites" who speak English, French, German, Spanish, Russia, etc., killed each other in the war in Europe. The degree of these kind of conflicts were far "up" than any cultural conflict exist in Canada. And I don't think a British king might share more "culture" with a British poor sailor than a Russian tsar at that time.

I appreciate the way that the administrators of this forum deals with such posts. Before coming here, I have watched several Canada political forums and did not find any discussions on those forum. I though they were just avoiding the debate not facing it. Some people disagree immigration policy, dislike immigrants or worry about their "upper" culture was downgraded by newcomers, these men exist in reality. They would not change their mind or the way of thought if any authority muffled their expression. So let them to express what they thought and rouse arguement is a correct way. Even people could not persuade each other, they at least could understand the standpoint of others to avoid fatal collisions in real live.

You are right. If the judge made a ajar door for the right violation, Canada police would become more like China police soon.

I was not aware that Rue is a psychologist. I think you maybe went too far if there wasn't some reason I could not see. I have just read OneNoShine's earlier posts I think I entirely misunderstanded his purpose and should appologize to him for I had ever thought that he was the what kind of man I supposed him to be, though I still insists what I said literally. But I agree the upper part what you said. If the purpose of the topic is merely a challenge to Leafless, OneNoShine should tell us his intent and do more to face Leafless on himself.

Thank you for your encouragement. I don't think it is correct to tag anyone who said "Canada immigration policy needs to be modified" or "I concern about the cultural conflict between immigrants and Canadian" as a racist. On the contrary, I think people have these concern are reasonable though some of them may magnify the problem or lack the understanding of the policy of government due to lacking the overall information. Immigration is a policy, just as other government's policy such as taxing a house, it can be discussed. There are essential difference between these kind of concern and those who uproar against other races.

I think you were wrong. Your words eliminated all of those white guys who did not agree with you opinion about multiculturalism or some policy but voted what they believed in into "not white" immigrants. The fact is they are white and whether they are right or wrong according your judgement, they voted according themselves willing, not being forced by immigrants. So whatever Canada government mainly represents the mainstream opinion of white majority.

Perhaps he is the one who you supposed to be but the smartest one Perhaps he is just smarter than those ones you supposed him to be, so these ones could not understand what he said. I suppose he is the latter one.