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This is the essential if anyone wants to evaluate or analysis the situation. Maybe Kim and Obama don't care Korean peasants's Kimchi and American kids's gifts, but they have to care the prospection of Korean peasants's riot and the American kids's parents's votes. If you eye on the reason, rightfulness...., etc, the solution is simple: 1. NK disarms its nuclear ability; 2. SK and US agree to make a peace treaty and return the islands to NK; 3. US and China dismissed their military treaties with SK and Nk and US retreats its troops from SK, let Koreans themselves to settle their business; 4. Both side massively disarm their conventional army(though the size of NK+SK is smaller than a Canadian province, but the scale of their military exceeds Canadian several times ) and convert the military spends to improve their people's living standard; 5. Once the living standard is improved, people in both side especially those in NK will find that they have more common ground than difference--all have to work for the Communism of Walmart; and Kims, like their Chinese and Vetnamese comrades, will also find out that smart guys like them can also make a good life under capitalism system by shifting their dictatorship into CEOship , though sometimes it is a little inconvenient that the CEOship doesn't own a court like dictatorship does to make itself invincibleSupreme Court rejects former Hydro One CEO’s bid for pension; so they will find a way to reunite their country; 6. ... But if you consider the interests of every party of the six-party talks, you will have to conclude that the six-party talks will result in no result except talks: 1. At first, both SK and NK want to reunite their country--it sounds good but unfortunately it isn't, because each side rather wants to conquer another side than to compromise each other; 2. As for China, at least from PLA generals point of view, the whole NK is just a big DMZ between US military presence in SK and China; 3. Both Japanese and Chinese EEZs overlap with both NK's and SK's, that means Japan and China can take advantage if Korea keeps in disrupt state. I think Russia also has the same problem with both NK and SK. Japanese also has historical reason to want Korea keeping in the weak state. Before the end of WW2, Korea had been occupied by Japanese since 1894, and Japanese samurais didn't have the reputation of merciful rulers. If anyone who thinks that SK purchases F-15SE just for dealing with Kim's obsolete MiGs he is wrong. In fact SK always wants its weapon exceeding Japanese though its current GDP may not support such ambition...but if SK and NK reunite and combine NK's military technology with SK's civilian industry...that's what Japanese most concerns; 4. Uncle Sam also has something to worry about. Korean, a nation which has been bullied, brutally occupied, unfairly disrupted by regional great powers and superpowers for a thousand years, once reunite again, you can imagine how much patriotism or nationalism will be aroused from such a historical victory, and who could guarantee that Koreans would not pat on Uncle Sam's shoulder saying something like "thanks for you help, and now it's time for you to leave and let us take care our business ourselves...." . Once US army was asked to leave from Korea, you could also imagine how much patriotism and nationalism would be aroused in Japan....I suppose US still remembers that they are asked to leave by Filipino once the anti-government communist guerilla movement disappeared. And I think the pentagon generals also have the same concern with PLA generals. In the hollywood phantasy TERMINATOR 4, there is a actor's punch line "if you point a gun to someone, you'd be better ready to pull the trigger". I suppose the pentagon generals know all about these terminator's stuffs well if they are not planning to build some, and they are not at the optimum state to pull the trigger against China, so they will want not pointing the gun at it. 5. Both US and Russia, the superpower and ex-superpower, can benefit from the mess of Korea because the circumstance make them easier to persuade SK, Japan and China to buy their national debts to support their military-spending-caused collapsing economy. If all debates and problems of the region were settled, who would need US and Russian's presence there? 6. ...

It seems like this time Uncle Sam will play Santa Claus and send presents consoling Kim.. Bill Richardson satisfied with DPRK visit

You are...generous. Maybe you would suggest Harper informing Beijing that Canada would generously take in millions of NK refugees if Kim's regime collapsed, so China would adopt a new policy on the Korean Peninsula and the problem would be resolved. Anyway, it seems like that I was wrong on this event. The width of yellow sea is less than 200 sea miles, so the water that SK coast guards thought belonging to them is also within China's exclusive zone. Sorry, I can't get your point. I think the essential of the argument of this forum on this matter is the legality of NLL. As for the real world, I have to say that the only thing which could bind on Kim-Saddam-...-Bush-Obama-kind is what our dear American friend BC2004 always believes in---the sheer power. The fact that Iraqi border are both agreed by UN and US did not "bind" Bush going in Irag. If the All Spark thing of Hollywood phantasy TRANSFORMER didn't crashed into pentagon's backyard and turned every coins of The Fed(inculde those Bush borrowed from foreign counties ) into F-16 fighter jets and M1A1 tanks but crashed into Saddam's president house and turned every old Russian tanks there into invincible battling robots, you would see Saddam became the aggressor and Bush came to TV copying Harper's motto "the war is unwinnable", lol, he would say "retreat is the solution, surrender is also an option...." I agree that your statement is accurate.

I think you have missed the adjective "strategic". Who would believe that merely 50- F117s did the 31% jobs and rest 1000+ only did 69%? Their boss Bush the First would fire them for their laziness and I wish Lockheed would have 1000+ well-paid doorkeeper vacations to fit all these unemployed pilots in. A strategic target means it is very important or very valuable. It's only a small part of all targets. Though a strategic target is supposed to be well protected, but the attacker is also well prepared. Since the US technology is far more advanced than Iraq, I bet even if they flew a B-52 over these targets Iraqis also couldn't shoot it down. To a pilot, the riskiest task is to drop conventional bombs. He has to fly lower with lower speed, so his plane is easy to be targeted by conventional weapons. Some soldiers got killed in Somalia and Afghanistan because their helicopters were shot down by LPGs, which aren't anti-aircraft weapons at all, when they flew too close to the ground.

Canada has lost xxx soldiers in Afghanistan. 1xx rank under second lieutenant 01x rank under major 001 ranks colonel 000 ranks general So, should DND promote all Canadian soldiers to generals to protect them from being killed in battle field? In the Gulf War, there were only a few F-117 among 1000+ other coalition aircrafts. F-117s were used to drop precise-guided bombs from above 10,000 meters altitude so they were safe, because no AAA could effectively reach such high and the radars of SAMs were easier to be jammed if the distance between the targets and the radar antennae was farther. Other planes sometimes had to drop conventional bombs so they had to fly lower than F-117 so they were easily to be targeted--especially by AAAs because they could be massive fired by entirely trajectory so radar jamming was useless. I don't mean a stealth plane is no better than a conventional plane. I just mean we should do some analysis when we read the ad leaflets of Lockheed's and pentagon's. F-117 was the only plane lost in Kosovo War. It isn't a proof that stealth planes are inferior than other planes.

The trawler event was an irrelevant accident. If Eocheong Island was Canadian territory, I bet these Chinese-peasants-on-sea would also get tasered on their asses. But I agree the most of your other arguments. The armistice can not form a legal permanent borderline between two countries. For example, country A and country B involved in a war against each other which resulted country A seized the island C of country B when armistice went into effect. The armistice only legalized the state of the occupation of country A on island C until a permanent solution comes out. Country A can not use island C to claim surounding water its territory water. Since N.Korea never formally recognized the NLL, the surrounding water of those islands should be considered as "debated territory water" by other countries.

Exactly the global warming thing is not what I concern about. Once oil runs out in one or two hundred years later we will face the global cooling down and it will cure the global warming disease. But if by then our dear "brilliant scientists" can not invent some replacemenst better than the old one to power our cars, Walmart-galobal-factories, and military tanks of course--and above all to synthesize chemical fertilizers to grow enough crops feeding 7 or 8 billion people on the planet, you will see which one, I mean genes created by God or the school textbooks created by the global-liberal-think-tank-union, have the most influence on human(include freedom and human rights loved humans like American and Canadian) behavior.

but we, and not only humans but cats, rats, birds, fish and trees as well, do fight or struggle our way just for let the 0.1% or 0.01% different genes survive. This is the way how the life forms on this planet evolve. Exactly every mammal has the ability to pass its knowledge or skill to its offspring by the teach-and-learn way, but it isn't a denial that the genes or heredity is the vital factor of the evolution of any lifeforms on the earth. Today we are so different from monkeys not only because our ancestors invented A-bombs, LOL, stone axes and passed the knowledge from generation to generation but also becasue they struggled to pass down their 0.1% different genes from monkeys's ancestors--before that point human are supposed to share the same ancestry with monkeys's. If you consider it with the time span of a hundred or a thousand years, you are right. But it seems like God used to consider things with the time span of a hundred thousand years when he created the world, so I'm not wrong. We haven't to keep the 0.1% different genes resided in our body alive but we are supposed to, and this is where the value of "family value" comes from---I suppose the conservative version of "family value" doesn't mean a family of two white Canadian homosexual parents with a black kid fostered from Somalia. If gene means nothing, what's wrong with such a "family"?

Scientifically, your gene will still alive if you have kids. Generally people who go into a war fight for their children rather than for themselves even if the soldiers are too young to have children so they are unaware what they are truly fighting for.(and that's why a right winger is easily to make himself a hawk....because of "family value" ) If one day some ET's intergalaxy ballistic missiles malfunctionally hit earth and blast every reproductive organ off every human being, you will see a more peaceful and war-fan-less world.

Don't worry. Whether it's ture or not, our almighty and trustworthy pentagon hawks always have a plan---they are able to creat a nuclear winter to counteract the global warming and save the earth from other nations---maybe from Americans themselves as well.

Maybe China would do what BC2004 always claims: copying American strategy by which the US has been trying to scare Kim and disarm his A-bombs. Kim vs Uncle Sams

According some Chinese media I read, citing SK military officials who responsed questions in their parliamentary, the sequence of the cross-fire is about like this: 1 SK artillery began its live-ammunition drill, not firing towards NK direction but the opposite direction; 2 NK artillery began to fire its first round shells on SK artillery emplacement on the Island, the bombard lasted about 10 minites, then it stopped; 3 About 13 minites from NK's first shelling, SK gunners came out of their hidding place and began to bombard some military buildings on the NK's side, fired about 80 shells. When asked why SK artillery didn't attack NK's artillery emplacement but other targets, the offical said NK's artillery hided inside the caves carved into rock so shelling them was useless; 4 about 30 minites later from NK's first shelling, NK fired second round shells, which is supposed as the response to SK's fightback. -- According to SK official, NK fired two round about 170 shells, about 90 shells fell into the sea, others on the Island. Most of them fell into SK's military area, only a few shells fell into civilian area. Yeonpyeong Island is not like Canada, its just a very small place which civilian cannot keep away from military targets, so I take the several shells in civilian area as the inaccuracy of NK artillery. I'm also curious to the 90 shells which fell into the sea. Is it also because of the inaccuracy of NK's artillery? Or is it because NK's first round shells all fell into the sea, but SK responsed as fired on their shore, so they fired the second around shells on the Island for revenge?

I guess what bjre's dad's kind has leant from Bush's wars is US will kick their ass regardless how nice they means to US if US has an opportune time..... Anyway, Kim is not only CPC boss's pet but Obama's as well. I guess Obama's worsest nightmare isn't Kim's "baby nuclear bombs" but one day Karea, Japan and China go to far to reach a free trade agreement and form a mechanism like the EU which America is not inside. Kim's action has proved Japanese and South Kerean that how much they need US and how much China is unreliable. I guess Kim knows his rule in this political game. As long as he plays his rule well without getting across the edge of the stage, he will be safe and never fallen.

I don't think so. Yesterday I visited a Chinese military fan's forum to see how would these kids response to the event---lots of rubbish just as I expected. But I read two kids's dialogue very funny: kid1: ....I think this time NK has pushed it too far. SK may have to response...SK's GDP is far greater than NK's so SK may have advantage if the war breaks out. kid2: yes, SK's GDP is greater....except SK is a small place so if the war broke out, its GDP would drop into zero just as the same as NK's.... What kind of response would President Lee choose? Air strike NK's missile bases? Nobody would doubt that ROKAF could accomplish the mission even without US's assistance(if US had kindly helped SK to set up its own C3I independent from US's when SK regained its "control" of its plane and tank things in 1994 ) and without a single plane lost. But Lee Myung-bak has to consider the aftermath if Kim escalates the conflict, especially Lee is a "CEO" politician, he is supposed to care SK's GDP more than SK's face. In my opion, a CEO politician is not a good choice as the leadership to deal with such kind of situation, because they are trained to battle the rivals just as sane as them---to battle their rival CEOs. But in the international political battle field, they will find some of their rivals are not as sane as them, so all their CEO-craft will become useless.

Yes, that's right----except if President Lee Myung-bak wants to hold a live-ammunitioned drill in the area where the NK dictator has declared as NK territory water, he should get more ready for eatting cannonballs.

According to the treaty signed during the Korean War, SK government had not power to command its own army even in the peacetime. Their army was directly commanded by American. At the end of the war, American even considered using SK army to overthrow SK president Rhee for he refused to sign the truce agreement which American wanted him to sign. SK government negotiated with America in 1990s and regain the power of controlling its own army in peacetime in 1994, but up till now if SK president wants to go into the war, he has to return the control of his army to American commanders, so without US approval, he can do nothing. As for US, just as everyone here has known(I suppose Kims also know it well), it is not a good time to start a new war.

I think DND should illuminate Canadian which ships/planes/tanks you always demanded are Her Majesty's Canadaian ships/planes/tanks, and which are His American President's ships/planes/tanks to make sure there would not be any misunderstanding... This part may explain why Harper has turned to believe "the war is unwinnable" after he became PM....because sitting in Canadian PM office makes him having more understanding of why Afghans lack the passion to support Karzai and "his" army to win the war.... Maybe Harper just simply wants Army Guy coming back Canada as soon as possible to update DND's website to make it more informative

I think you have forgoten listing in the Green Zone in Iraq. You give me the impression that Brezhnev should be the most welcomed Russian leader among East Europeans because he set up more such things in their countries in his time....

Thank you for the information. Sometimes I feel Canadian should show Bush a little more gratitude for "Bush's war" has made US counting on Canada more than ever.

The fact that almost all American tanks, planes and warships are powered by Arabian oil doesn't mean that Arabian will support US's war in Iraq. If you were the CEO of a Canada company which produces undercarriages for F-35s, how much money would you like to lobby Obama to resist the lure of "buying American"(that means the orders of thousands of your products ), and how much would you like to lobby Harper to buy a few extra planes for his army guys?(that means only a few of extra orders to you)

I think these are not the essential of the problem. Don't you think the US should take a lot to run the other fields of the country and defense should no longer be on the top of the list after the Cold War? But just as what we have seen, the US still spends heavily in building and purchasing expensive new weapon systems(most of them are useless becasue they are over-advanced and designed to fight the would-be future threats not enemies in reality) regardless that their finacial and civil industry sector collapsing. The essential is that the US has strong military industry and the industry spends heavily on lobbying government, congress and public for the needs of "army guys"....or essentially, for the interests of themselves. Canada hasn't so many ammunition makers, so there is nobody lobbying for the military, and the rule of the game here is: no lobby, no fund, no arm.....

This is why this time Canada's "economist" boss was so political If N.K. had some gold mines so Kim had enough money to buy million tons of Alberta oil, you would see a more economical Harper. Maybe there were other causes, like Harper needs S.K. president to sign an order importing million tons of Alberta oil to prop Canadian economy. And these days Harper can hardly find some issues, either political or economical, that he could agree with Obama heartily. And thanks heaven there was one, so he acted without any hesitate to show Obama the rumor is false that he always disagree with him....

If you can conclude that Canada's democracy is just a dirty game just because a few politicians misused their official-titled letter paper, logically Canadian can also conclude that all Chinese Canadian include you are some homicidal maniacs because of a few events like this Accused in bus slaying ordered to get psychiatric assessment

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