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  1. You mean that Norman pointed out that 'night' was not an actual factual account? That he pointed out the fraudulent marketing of these 'stories'? Is that what you are refering to? Hey Rue - I asked before - what of Joan Peters?
  2. This is for DOP, who just doesn't seem to believe that Israel has nuclear weapons!
  3. Israelis Assault Award Winning IPS Journalist Mohammed Omer Well, the Dutch shouldn't hold their breath. That said, I do hope that someone gets a good chewing out over this incident, thank goodness that Omer is still alive - not in great shape - but certainly better than being dead - like his reuters counterpart Fadel Shana whose death has yet to be addressed what so ever by Israeli authorities. Ahhh, yes - but this is par for the course for Israel and her various security apparati - whether the Shin Bet or IDF. I can only wish Mohammed Omer a speedy recovery - as well as hoping that he will stay safe.
  4. I would prefer that NO ONE die for either Israel or Iran. Bring the troops home and stop fu***ng around in other's people's business. But go ahead and monger the war.
  5. Israel Prodding US to Attack Iran I just thought I would paste this up there - since it is a rare event that the MSM actually cites the REAL cheerleaders for the war against Iran!! (Same ones who drove for the war in Iraq too). Want your kids to die for Israel? Attack Iran!
  6. Norman is NOT an Israeli citizen - therefore jbg NO treason honey.
  7. It wouldn't make any difference AW. If crims want guns and ordinary citizens are denied having them for their OWN protection - then violent gun crime will ensue. The police are NOT there to prevent crime - they are there to clean up afterwards. So - no - banning them around DC wouldn't make an iota of difference. In fact - in those states and counties that allow concealed carry laws etc - gun crime is VERY low. The crims are not that stupid you know - who would they burgle? The family with NO way to protect itself - or the family who HAS the means to protect themselves?? Also - in the heat of the moment it is just as easy to kill someone with knife, bat or axe (or any other kind of dangerous implement). So the canard of 'in the heat of the moment is MOOT).
  8. Sharkman, we are in agreement. Banning guns won't stop the violence - though perhaps 'banning' the glorification of gangsta culture by various 'media' groups may decrease it somewhat? (I'm being somewhat sarcastic there wrt gangsta culture ie rap music).
  9. Uh no.. it's because if criminals want guns they can get them - no matter what kind of prohibition the ptb try to place on them. Better to have an armed populace IMO. This was a good ruling.
  10. It's nice to see that some on here get it. For those who just chose to smear at me - have fun. This has nothing to do with orgasms over the death of an officer - but of course some here just love to go at me. Knock yourselves out. This does have to do with police misconduct during a raid on a family home - no announcement that they were police, no proper warning, no proper warrant. In the eyes of the law we are all equal - that IS the ideal, and thus it matters not whether the gent in question is a raving drug addict of a fundamental religious freak. We are all entitled to our liberty - and in this case this person's liberty and property were violated and those intruders paid the price. Sad - yes. But justice did prevail in the courts in the form of the aquittal. Hopefully the police will take better care at how the conduct these sorts of voilations in the future. Glad to see though that some folk here do actually see the danger is allowing police and other paramilitary units unfettered powers, I guess there is some hope afterall for this forum. (albeit rather dim).
  11. Well, Rue as far as the lie goes - iirc about Dr. Finkelstein's visit to the West Bank being arranged by Hamas - then show me where I was wrong to call you on that (note absence of too over the top personal insults and inneundo on my part as well). Sheesh. You have defined many Jews as self-haters (or to use your ramped up version self-loathers ohhhhhh) who do not see eye to eye with the Israeli Administration's actions in the Occupied Territories. Never have I seen you support any of those brave men and women who do work for peace and understanding, and who are (much to your disgust it seems) Jewish. I have often mentioned others, people like Uri Avnery, Ilan Pappe, Israel Shahak, Ben Halper, Amira Hass, Gideon Levy - the list is truly endless including all the honourable men and women at organisations such as B'TSelem, Peace Now, ICAHD, and all the other truly positive forces in the fray. I guess they are all self loathers to you. Nonsense Rue, of course he makes reference to these stereotypes - they have to be discussed as it is the only way to rid ourselves of them all 'round. There are, despite what you may think, some pretty nasty people with a little power out there who call themselves Jews, Christians and Muslim. These individuals hide behind the religious cloth of their own choosing - yet do not and are not representative of the vast majority of others who may also identify with some particular 'G-d'. Are you saying Rue, that there simply couldn't be exploitation of Jewish suffering during WW2 going on simply because Jews wouldn't allow their own elites to act that way? Or are you saying that no Jew has ever exploited another? What a massive generalisation, and what a massive error on your part Rue. What Finkelstein is saying is that the tactics of some of these exploiters plays into the hateful lies of true antisemites (no different than any other kind of ethnic hatred) by actually being scum sucking fraudsters. Even you must know about how much of the monies earmarked for Survivors and their families has been pilfered by various lawyers and bureaucrats along the way. Many survivors barely see any of it. As for the Holocaust being used to manipulate the world into supporting Israel, one cannot separate the creation of Israel from the devastation of the Holocaust - they are part of one another. To deny this is fool's errand. It has sadly also been hijacked often to stop discussions on the rather more questionable actions of Israel wrt the Occupied Territories - that's a fact - plain and simple. So, if you don't like the idea that the deaths of millions is being used to justify an aparthied regime guilty of ethnic cleansing and collective punishment, make a brave start Rue and you stop doing it yourself. Finkelstein does NOT blame or claim to speak for all Jews. I think he leaves that canard to people like you and Alan. Talk again about sweeping generalisations Rue - it seems for all your kvetching you can't seem to stop doing what you are accusing others of.. *sigh* Well Rue, since I don't actually subscribe to the train of thought which you are accusing me of, nor does your subjective analysis of Norman's work actually hold any water, the above attempted slur is moot. Though I will ask - do you consider Joan Peter's work as scholarly? pffft, and of course what about Alan's? pfft. lol I admire those who have to courage to rout our liars and fraudsters - where ever they are found. No group has the corner on the market for telling lies and profitting from them - or gee - are you saying that since these people might happen to be Jewish they would never lie?? I have a problem with the whole label of 'Self-Hatering Jews'. I'd laugh if the whole thing wasn't so damn tragic. Really it's sad on so many levels - but it sure goes along way to diverting discussions and stifling debates - look how you are trying to do this here. Tell me do you contribute and support the SHIT list? You seem to advocate using the term against those Jews who might just disagree with your opinions on the actions of the Israeli governments and their lobbyists. Tell me - if one is a self hater (lol) does that automatically enter one into the club of Anti-semites as well? What about a free ticket to Holocaust Denial - are they included in the one way self loather fare? Since I don't believe in self-hating Jews (they are up there with the Easter Bunny) and I have actually read Finkelstein's books, as well as attending his lectures, I'll just have to agree to disagree with you wrt your take on Norman. That's fine with me. But to say he is smearing all Jews is ridiculous and a gross over generalisation. Why shouldn't he say his is the son of Survivors - he is. So what? Lots of folks are - does that get one into a special club too? Why shouldn't someone point out when for example, a book is published and found to be a hoax? Should this not be brought to attention? How is that self hating? I think it's more 'hating' of those who give the rest a bad name. If one fraudulent document is out there - then does that not diminish the real suffering endured by the legitimate victims? Sort of like fake rape accusations - it serves to diminish and cast doubt on the real ones. That's not self loathing... what a ridiculous concept, but hey you seem to endorse it all to the nth degree. Uh... obviously not - if you can follow what I've written on so many occassions - oh I forgot - you don't read what others say you just spin it. Dizzy yet? Well Rue, it was a harmless visit to a friend. You have failed to show otherwise and attack him only because you happen to disagree with his position wrt Israel and her actions in the OPT. What's new? *sigh* I do frequent his website already thanks, hence why I probably know a little more about what his views really are as opposed to the Channelling of Alan you engage in. WRT the Palestinians 'uprising' they have every right to - he has never advocated a violent uprising - quite the opposite. I think it is you who needs to do some real reading and listening to what the man is actually saying, instead of channeling alan all the time. Now that is just about the most stupid thing you've ever tried to smear me with. Firstly - why drag that poor child into your guilt by random association technique? I have never mentioned her and her terrible fate. Now who is being sinister and manipulative Rue? (holding up a mirror for you to look at). Shalom
  12. Nah... we just have problems with your government - just as we have problems with our own. Personally, I wish we had the US Constitution as our own. It is truly one of the most admirable ideological documents ever created. Very sad, and overwhelmingly tragic how your land (and ours) has been hijacked by corporate/banking whores. Easy to do when one dumbs the populations down though, eh?
  13. Perhaps because Bin Convenient isn't so much any more. Keep in mind they have invaded Iraq who had sweet dick all to do with 911. Keep in mind they are now threatening Iran who also has sweet dick all to do with 911. Also, keep in mind that we all are occupying Afghanistan - who really had sweet dick all to do with 911. Those that perpetrated that mess are ALOT closer to home...but for how much longer? What a sham.
  14. bump Hey Rue - what is the matter? Truth hurt or something? Yooooooohoooooooooo!?? Your silence says so much more than your usual diatribes.
  15. Quebec man acquitted in police officer slaying Indeed - one which the warrants were invalid, one in which there was bad blood already between officer Tessier - all around a BS situation. I don't know about the rest of you here, but if someone were to break down my front door at 5 am, not announce they were cops, I too would come out swinging (and if I had a gun - shooting). Good on the jury! Good on the court! Justice was served! The cops should learn a lesson here.
  16. No worries, they will just have Daddy US do it for them... afterall isn't that what the Americans are for?? 3 Billion a year, more cluster bombs when needed, lots of military equipment... Heck, when Israel says jump the Yanks ask 'how high'!! Recall what Sharon said wrt the US... or do YOU even have a clue?
  17. LOL Kuzadd - doncha know that White doors (who knows what sex he/she/it is) or Sharkman is NOT even worth responding to?? Oh, of course they love to throw around the accusations of being a .... wait for it... ANTI-SEMITE JEW HATING SELF HATING BIGOT But that's only because neither of them can refute the facts. I wouldn't bother wasting time on either of them. For those who seem to think I only bash Israel on this forum and I should start bashing the Muslim and Christian fanatics too - well all I have to say there is that this forum is quite full of hatred for these other two monotheistic farces, so I will let others do that. Also, I would like to point out that NOWHERE do I bash Jews. I certainly criticise Israel's policies wrt the Occupied Palestinian Territories, as well as Israel's foreign policies wrt ALL her neighbours - but I have NEVER singled out Judaism as the culprit - just the warmongering chickenhawks who run the damn place! But of course - this ability to differentiate between a people and their government/religion is lost on most here!! So, I will continue to post Israeli press items here, which would never see the light of day in our so-called Free Press... and if certain posters here want to whine - then I'll simply pass them the cheese!
  18. You are SO not wrong!! But, hey at least BC is the 'what ya see is what ya get' kinda guy - that way one doesn't have to waste time on him. As far as Kucinich's impeachment - it won't go anywhere - Bush will escape the courts, never pay for his crime and probably retire to some south american country just like war criminals of the past. I wonder -will Kissinger be joining him?
  19. I don't 'hate' any group in particular. I certainly don't like extremists of any form though. Care to comment on the articles posted - or will you simply do as you always do and attempt character assassination with unfounded statements like the one above? BTW - kinda hard to hate parts of one's own heritage - ohh wait - according to Rue that must make me a 'self-hating' 'anti-semite'!! LMFAO. Now, whitedoors - sadly I don't 'hate'. I feel sad that these folks allow themselves to hate so much. I also feel, that a good friend doesn't let another drive drunk - they tell them when they are behaving badly - they don't just offer platitudes and tell the drunk that all is fine. If I am critical of Canada's government am I 'anti-canadian'? If I am critical of what certain Muslim radical clerics spout out about am I 'anti-mulsim'? If I am critical of the Catholic Church am I 'anti-Catholic'? Silly boy.
  20. Orthodox Jewish Youth burn New Testaments in Israel Gee... that reminds me of something... wait though there is more intolerance reminiscent of the same thing here: Rabbi says deaf 'ineligible for conversion' Gosh, I recall others in the past who looked down upon the deaf and mute. Anyway, as these two recent events show, all is not sunny and tolerant in Israel these days. Who'd of thought that the extremists there would resemble so closely the extremists of the past. I guess they have truly become what they hate. Mirror image. Very sad.
  21. really? Says on the page you posted it at around 9:09 am on the 26th, and this one at 11:36... hmmm. Not that it really matters eh. Could be a time difference between forums I suppose. Still though - as you well know crossposts are against the rules here jbg (not that that hasn't stopped you before! ). link
  22. Rue, that is simply NOT true. He was going to the West Bank to visit a friend of his, who happens to work for B'TSelem. CBC Radio Norman's interview starts at around 16:40. And you have the gall to talk about 'honesty'. Yet, you supply NO links (you rarely ever do) just lines and lines of your own opinion, however skewed that may be. Fact is, Rue, this time you have been caught - outright. Finkelstein's visit had nothing at all to do with Hamas. Care to name a few so I can debunk this as well?? Or is any Israeli who is critical of their governments' policies vis a vis the Occupied Palestinian Territories simply a 'self-hater' according to you (what a stupid term that is BTW, appealing to the emotion with NO shred of evidence). What like the Kahanists? Lot's of them in the West Bank, hey they ain't being booted out Rue, they are being protected by the IDF!! Again - innuendo and outright LIES. Do you even know anything about Dr. Finkelstein? Ever read any of his books or papers? Hmmm?? No? Didn't think so - that much is clear from your comments so far. Again, not true. Care to point out the errors? Care to include a link to these so-called scholars? Could you mean Alan (yes I approve of torture) Dershowitz?? You know, the guy who 'copied' most of 'From Time Immemorial' by Joan Peters - and even got some of his own 'quotes wrong' (not that it matters since Peter's work has already been discredited? Absolutely not true at all, again Rue. You however always lump all Jews together - under the umbrella of extremist zionist Israel. Thanks, but no thanks - I don't personally beleive that Israel represents the hopes or desires of ALL Jews. Nor do I think that the Holocaust is an excuse to inflict collective punishment on other peoples - which it is used as to silence any discussion of Israel's rather nazi like tactics wrt the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Have you even read 'The Holocaust Industry'? If you ever do, you will notice that there are almost more footnotes and references than there is of the written book itself. You should give it a read Rue. Really. There is no doubt that the memory of the Holocaust is certainly used by 'some' to end all discussion on the illegal acts of the rogue nation named Israel, and it does a disservice to all - the survivors (who never see their reparations monies) and to the victims of the Nazi regime as well. Ahhh! LOL I was wondering when you'd spit out your favourite accussation: ANTI SEMITE!! What total nonsense - as also used to stifle discussion! Well done Rue, you fall into that trap all the time. BTW - both his parents were survivors. You might just want to educate youself a little about him and his roots. Many of us have lost family to the camps durring that time - does that make all of us who are critical of the State of Israel anti-semites? Or are we all self-haters? What nonsense Rue - your spin is usually (though not that often) better than that. Cite? (oh and nicely done - 4 'anti-semites' and one reference to Duke and Irving - trying out guilt by association now? Even though Norman has NOTHING to do with either of these men?? LMAO - pretty weak there Rue - but hey whatever floats your boat eh? Cite? Again - nothing but a pack of lies Rue. He has NEVER encouraged anyone to engage in 'terror'. He is a stauch supporter of the two state solution - within the framework similar to the Arab League's 2002 initiative. Good grief - do you only get your opinion of him from the likes of Dershowitz and mags like 'Forward'?? Why don't you go on down to your local library and get out a copy of 'Beyond Chutzpah'. It is a very well researched, and well written account of how history can be abused and the term anti-semite (one of your faves) is misused. Edited to add this link to Dr. Finkelstein's website, for those here who have minds that aren't already shut tight with their fingers in their ears screeching 'la la la'.
  23. Well jbg, I have to give it to you - this particular forum seems to have found alot more to say about your little essay than the other forum that you posted this at. tsk tsk Cross posting again huh?
  24. Well Doggie here's one: http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.p...r=605&pg=11 But of course you will dismiss it since Finkelstein is of course a 'self-hater' eh? Don't know why I bother? Memri is well known to mistranslate or embellish on thier own much of what they report as neutral'. And, PuppieonPorch, I shouldn't have to do YOUR research for you. Learn a REAL trick or two.
  25. Loved the sarcasm BC Chick! It was a nice break from the remainder of the thread... As to the question of what the left should do... Stop thinking in such confined boxes like 'left', 'right' or 'whatever'.
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