kuzadd

Agreed, if one wants to look at hell unleashed around the world, count the military bases, one would have to take a realistic look at the US. Reality is quite different then ideology though.

Or notice the only "evil culture" is of course Islamic ! Note the ideology? I would qualify the culture of rampant militarism western style as a definite evil culture which has unleashed lots of EVIL. Killed Millions, maimed millions, but I digress.... Higgly, can you think of any more evil cultures? How about the evil culture of 'white' colonialism here in NA? Ya know slaughter of millions of the natives? Quite evil really. Could one say it was a culture of evil?

what kind of forum do we want? debate the social currents at work debate the issues in play in ANY given society, intelligently. I'd rather the informed and aware and toss the ideology. There are so many, many topics that could be discussed, in a rational and realistic manner, if only, if only, if only.......... Ideologies are generally not my cuppa. Ideologies IMO, are for the weak.

Thanks , I did miss the link, I am not surprised about the 'felony' charge, and it will likely be reduced or dropped all together, IMO. I saw what you posted wrt the bag, but, it was in her hand, still and tied closed. If the officer was suspicious of it, why was it in her hand, as he was arresting her? why was it tied closed? How could the reason be plausible that he stopped her, for carrying a bag, with tagged clothing, when the bag, in her hand is tied closed and is still in her possession??? If he was placing her under arrest before he opened the bag, what was he arresting her for? I just find it all to questionable.

AW: I have watched the video a number of times,and there is that bag, tied closed, in it. Because I can see that, it leaves me wondering, what the heck was going on and why the minor was really being arrested. IMO, you seem to want to ignore that tied closed bag. The alleged reason for all the suspicion, yet there it is, tied closed. I can't see why the minor was, therefore ,arrested. So, since I cannot understand the reason she was actually arrested, bringing on the entire incident, it's difficult, for me to condemn I also have looked for the info you are providing, wrt 9/11 call and felony charge, can't find it, I googled and keep finding the article I originally posted, regurgitated on various media sites. Could you give me a link, much appreciated.

I though scott said it! Guess he's in good company, eh? lol,lol,lol

I get it, your the real "law and order type", but myself, I think the police, and parents, in a community, should operate in a more cooperative manner. It benefits everyone. The police, parents, and the community at large. BTW: I would rather see police "babysit" for parents, then for politicians, but hey that's just me.

of course she was, but , not charged with breaking curfew, or possession of stolen goods, etc., The very reasons it was alleged she was stopped. Please don't assume what I am thinking. My only concern with her skin colour is that it likely caused the officer to be more suspicious of her then, if it was a white skinned child. You know, like driving while black, walking while black, or attending school while black. Or , are you going to claim, the stats that bear that bias out, wrong.? I am not dictating anything, why would you use that type of language, I am expressing an opinion as you are? What law has she violated? Allegedly a curfew law? So take the kid home, with a warning. I simply do not see the need to put the minor under arrest. From the article I posted? as the reason she was stopped: Yet in the video the bag appears tied closed, so how did the cop suspect that the clothes bag was full of new clothes with tags on. Did he open it and tie it back up? That doesn't make sense. Did he not open it at all? if he didn't how did he know, the clothes had tags on them to make him suspicious? The bag still being tied in the video, bothers me, as it makes me wonder why, the minor was being arrested, other then a curfew isssue, in which case she should have simply been brought home. Shouldn't he have opened the bag if there was a call of a suspicious bag? prior to arrest? or what exactly would she be being arrested for? it certainly doesn't appear to be curfew breach , as she wasn't charged for that. yet it would be the simplest charge to lay and have stick. AW: I do not believe police are automatically correct or righteous. These are simply people doing jobs they get payed for, as such , they are capable of corruption and abuse of the powerful position they hold. This is nothing new or earthshattering.

are you seriously going to tell me skin colour is a non-issue?? wrt police/law enforcement? Seriously? and I said Doubtful it was a non-issue.

she was charged with what? As reported the only charge I read her receiving was resisting arrest. from the article posted So I am going to assume that was all she was charged with. Apparently she was out beyond curfew, since she is a minor, she should of and could have been taken home. Then, it is entirely possible, none of the ensuing melee, would have taken place. Interestingly and I do note, she was not charged for being out past curfew, either. The bag she had in her hand is visible in the video. Since it was tightly closed,( tied) I am wondering how the cop would have observed the 'clothes having tags on them' and in all actuality, I do not believe he did. When incidents arise such as this I have noted that the police, will overinflate to justify their actions, like the woman, that those 3 cops killed in her own home , after they broke in to it. Where the 3 cops in question made a big story of how she shot at them etc., and they were just defending themselves by shooting her full of holes in her own home. Except she didn't, and the idiots fired off so many bullets, they shot each other. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-0...-shooting_N.htm oh but these cops lied and lied, and the public was outraged. IMO, the cop did this because she was black-skinned and that is it. Had it been a white skinned girl, IMO, she would have simply been brought home. BUT, since she was black skinned and out past curfew, she was automatically treated as more suspicious, then she should have otherwise been.( We have reams of history and documentation to back up this contention) Since she is a minor, she should have been taken to her parents/guardians (would she have run away, I don't know) I am saying that this entire scenario, should have been handled differently, with the intent to ensure the safety of the MINOR child first and foremost. That would have been done by, attempting to bring her home rather then arrest her. Oh and BTW, what exactly was she being arrested for? If it was a curfew issue, why was she not charged? Because the "resisting' only became an issue, when the officer tried to arrest her. Oh and the pepper spray, after she was already hand-cuffed, overkill.

OK, well now that I am over being dismayed at poster responses, inc, an intent to further abuse. This is a child , who was stopped for allegedly being out past curfew. Regardless of what I think of the curfew issue. Why wasn't the child simply brought home to the responsible adult? The officer could have 1) offered to drive her to ensure her safe arrival, then talked to the parents or 2) he could have drove along beside the child to ensure her safe arrival, then talked to the responsible adult. Since she was a minor, it, to my mind was an issue to be brought up to the adults who are responsible for this child. Because I am definitely of the opinion, that parents/legal guardian are the most suitable/desirable authorities for their child, not a police officer. I do not think it is obvious she was resisting arrest, is she even mature enough to think that, "I am going to resist arrest". Was that her intent, or was she simply scared? Either way, she should have been safely brought home, if the issue was, really, what the officer said it was (out past curfew), and the curfew issue discussed with the responsible adults. see that is what makes the most sense to me, cooperation between parental authorities and the police, to ensure the best outcome for the child. But hey, she's apparently a 'whiny brat" who deserves further beatings?

They will be the ones, crying for their mamas. And complaining they were abused, As long as it's someone else..................it's ok.

can't help you sorry. IMO, the help you need is likely beyond me.

Yeah where does it say that BC??? cause the only thing she was charged with was resisting arrest. "The teen pleaded not guilty to a resisting-arrest charge."

what is absurd is thinking this is acceptable behaviour by a police officer and I am glad, you all agree that abusing children is OK. BC: like cops have never abused young women sexually, right???

First of all, you know nothing of me or my child, respect but not subservience. Honey, let the cop molest you cause he says to obey the command, and please hope he videos it, so you can use it for evidence. I'll be sure to tell her you think that is the way things should be done guyser. LOL! I have to say, I am absolutely floored that posters think it is acceptable to punch a 15 yr old child and pepperspray her. Just floored. That is abuse BTW, parents get charged for just that kind of thing. But that also appears to be lost on posters???

the child is 15 yrs old, a child. Then it should be ok with you all, to punch and pepperspray 11yr old? 10 yr olds? 8 yr olds? what the diff, most kids are prone to irrational behaviour, due to immaturity anyway. You people are scary.

I will not teach my child to be subservient to any authority, that is foolish. Oh daughter that cop is telling you to pull your pants down and bend over, you better do it! Are you out of your mind?! You set your child up for abuse, not me , buddy!! Authority with too much power has too much potential for abuse. i truly can't believe some of the posters here??? Next time you coast through a stop sign, maybe some cop, will shoot you, cause you failed to comply.

can't respond to this as all the potential answers weren't offered. cause where you asked this What do you think the punishment for marijuna use should be? A fine. A criminal record. prison. None, it should be none. There are no fines for tobacco or alcohol use, therefore there should be none for marijuana use

http://www.channel3000.com/news/14279508/detail.html Video Shows Cop Punching Teen During Arrest 15-Year-Old Girl Allegedly Resisted Arrest WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- A controversy is brewing in South Florida over a dash-camera video showing a Fort Pierce, Fla., police officer punching a 15-year-old girl while she is resisting arrest, reported WPBF-TV.

I ,as a parent was so shocked to watch that, little tiny girl be abused by that big officer , crying for her mother, was difficult for me to watch. If he does that in front of his camera, what the hell does he do, away from the camera?

Behaving, like what a scared child ,calling for her mother? Are you kidding? oh yeah, BTW,my husband, didn't say that at all, "she'd have her backside tanned "if that was our daughter. Quite the contrary.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/octob...rfew_arrest.htm I don't care what site this is posted on! This is the Florida State police, and is likely available elsewhere. What a disgusting police officer. She is a little small child, and this man is an idiot. Unbelievable Police Brutality. Oh and if that was my daughter????? Well I would make sure this guy loses his job, never owns a dam thing, and pays and pays and pays and pays.

I agree name calling is not productive, and does not lead to good discussion. So exactly what is the point of a title of a thread "Islam, the sneaky buggers " How is this topic, which is name calling/labelling of an entire religion "sneaky buggers" going to lead to intelligent or reasonable discussion?

Are you referring to GWB, cause he said ,God told him to invade Iraq. Glad we agree on that , along with all the religious fanaticism, that is quite cultish, indeed, in the military as promoted, through the Pentagon and right-wing christian groups. definitely psychotic genocide.