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This is the most , I have to say hilarious statement. I have yet, to see, anyone who willingly associates themselves with the right, display rationality. Let alone hold it in higher esteem, as is being stated. In fact it is quite clear the "right"( willingly associated,) is hysterically, over the top, filled with fear, cowering, from every imaginary "attack". Demanding there own freedoms be restricted, so the nanny state can 'keep them safe" (Well we have to make concessions or the terrorists are gonna get us) LOL! Instead of looking at economic reality, (BTW big banks are in trouble inc. Citi) but hey Muslims are gonna getcha!. Instead of looking at geopolitical strategy, the coveting of resources, we have "boogeymen" everywhere. Demons wanting footbaths. Maniacal bus drivers, with head coverings. Muslim rioters-watch out! this is rational??? this is rationality being held in high esteem??? Hilarious. Who's doing what: hit the nail on the head! But grouping people into derogatively labeled identifiers,("left",bad "Arabs", bad, "liberals" bad) helps some, by simplifying issues, so they can "understand" them within the capabilities of limited simplistic reasoning skills. Black and white.

Isn't that really really amazing, why would the "left" cooperate with a segment of the population that has the types of view's moxie claims they have. I mean really? I can hardly stand the oppressive "western cultural" views espoused repeatedly on here. let alone someone else's oppressive views.

what values, are displayed here, from so many proud westerners. It's ok to riot, as long as it's at a soccer game. it's OK to kill as long as thier Muslims it's OK to invade and occupy, as long as it's Muslim countries. it's OK to lie to the populace in the west intentionally , to wage war, as long as one does it to a country that is considered lesser then us. "Muslim" it's OK to torture Kill kids As long as there all Muslims?? it's OK to condone all attrocities committed by the west for resource gain, wether it be , land, water, energy.? So are western cultural tradition values defined as : hypocrisy, promotion of double standards, and inherent racist tendencies. A sense of entitlement to other countries resources, etc., So we want to defend these values? Hmm, I wouldn't think these were values. I thought values were so hypocrisy, double standards, implying racial superiority, etc, are "western values"???

yes, only one group of people has "right of return" and to say that should be applied equally is heresy. As opposed to a HUMAN RIGHT.

But does it matter, when Bush is using HOMELAND??? WHEN TWO historically tyrannical figures have the language of "HOME" and "FAMILY" to influence and make the populace comply with the STATE. What do you think BUSH is doing with the moniker the HOMELAND.??? Protecting the Homeland "Emphasizing that as we secure the Homeland we cannot simply rely on defensive approaches and well-planned response and recovery measures." Stalin, Hitler, Bush tyrannical dictatorships, ALL, and the people all got sucked in, save for the few. As the heat was turned up, slowly, on the domestic populace. But hey, have fun blaming Muslims, right?

Yes, but 'western' societies don't riot, only Muslims do??(facetious) or so some wish to proclaim but when facts get in the way, diversion becomes the order of the day.

BAM! a direct hit! American woman, you the best. This is exactly the point of the thread, rioting is done by many for many reasons, no one holds an exclusivity to it. I was surprised to find some thing rioting at soccer games is ok, is acceptable. The only reason it was ok, was because it was being done by "acceptable" people.

Yes, yes some would say that. I'll let Stalin speak: "Velikaia Otechestvennaia Voina" Otechestvennaia" is an adjective derived from "otets" (father), through "otechestvo". A more accurate translation would be "the great fatherland war" or "the great war in defense of the fatherland." http://www.newsweek.com/id/58929 I did not say Russia , I said Stalin and Fatherland. Now you read up on Hitler, k? but does it really matter when the US has the HOMELAND. When the state is using the language of "parental security" it would be advisable to watch out!!! History demonstrates that clearly.

I would hardly compare Italy to occupied Iraq. That would be unrealistic, an occupied war zone to an unoccupied country.

Topaz: very interesting interview with an investigative author/journalist from Spain, I think you will enjoy. http://kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=23052 the book: http://www.trineday.com/paypal_store/produ...erbergers1.html

really, but western society is largely christian. Western society = christian values Therefore, and I am sure stats would bear that out, the rioters in Britian , the Aussies and especially the Italians are christian! Therefore Do you think it is because they are lawless, reckless christians that makes them so badly behaved??

What Canada is that? Not the one I am living in? This must be the new revisionist history? Judeo?christian? OK?

trex Yes for you or I. A chilling thought isn't it? But don't you think we should just continue to be unaware of that and just be blissfully ignorant? (totally facetious)

I have no issue with soccer, just the "christian" "flawed rioters" that are so lawless, because of who they are.(largely western christians) The game is irrelevant. Do you think it is because they are lawless, reckless christians that makes them so badly behaved??

what was also NO surprise, but, still interesting the police had cleared themselves. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/c...icle1774492.ece Police officers in the clear over Tube shooting Police watchdogs have cleared Scotland Yard officers of any disciplinary offence over the Stockwell shooting but the senior woman in charge could still face action.

I had been following this story cause it was shady from the get go and I had some serious, serious reservations wrt to this one. I think the families persistence in getting to the bottom of this played a huge role in the outcome. Also the fact he was a Brazilian citizen, played into it. what I found absolutely deplorable was this the police altered the photos of the victim http://www.guardian.co.uk/menezes/story/0,,2193070,00.html De Menezes composite picture 'was manipulated' see the picture. to make him look more menacing, and more Arab/Muslim this is frightening. Menezes picture 'manipulated' to look like bomber http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/legal/article3070589.ece problematic? VERY! what else do they "manipulate" to save face, make arrests, etc., Had the family not been as persistent as they had been , along with the diplomatic angle of this, the UK police would have gotten away with this murder. They certainly tried very hard to.

well I think we really need to have a serious discussion on what is inherently wrong, with these groups of Brits, Aussies, Italians etc., Is it the inherent fallacy of their religious beliefs? Is it there wreckless societies? The failings of the their political leaders? or is it just their implicit , naturally degenerative behaviour??? Simply put, are they flawed and everything they do just wrong?

to futher ostracize and isolate the ME muslim/arabs. why else?

why higgly we are speaking of the imaginary values we think/pretend we have. The ones we tell ourselves we have so we can feel happy and smug. The reality? quite different.

more riots, OMG!!!!! I was so frightened, again, Morally where does this leave us?? Where is this heading?? World wide subjugation by these rioters,,,,, aaaaahhhhhh!!!!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots 21st century * 2001 - Seattle Mardi Gras Riots, February 2001, (Seattle, WA, USA) * 2001 - 2001 Cincinnati Riots, April 2001, (Cincinnati, Ohio, USA) * 2001 - Quebec City Summit of the Americas, April 2001 (Quebec, Canada) * 2001 - Banja Luka Riots, May 2001, (Banja Luka, Bosnia and Herzegovina) * 2001 - Oldham Riots, May 2001, (Oldham, Greater Manchester, England) * 2001 - Gothenburg Riots, June 2001, (Gothenburg, Sweden) * 2001 - Bradford Riot, July 2001, (Bradford, West Yorkshire, England) * 2001 - Genoa Group of Eight Summit protest, July 2001, (Genoa, Italy) * 2001 - Holy Cross dispute, Summer 2001, (Belfast, Northern Ireland) * 2001 - December 2001 Riots, (Buenos Aires, Argentina) * 2002 - San Salvador Atenco Airport Riot, (San Salvador Atenco, Mexico) * 2002 - Post-Godhra Riots, Feb 2002 (Gujarat, India) * 2002 - 2002 Urso Branco prison riot,[3] (Rondonia, Brazil) * 2002 - Chinese textile worker riot, [4] (Shuikou, Guangdong, China) * 2002 - Ohio State University post Michigan football game riot, November 2002, (Columbus, OH, USA) * 2003 - Benton Harbor Riot, June 2003, (Benton Harbor, Michigan, USA) * 2003 - Maldives civil unrest, September 2003, (Malé, Maldives) * 2003 - Riot over bad policy during a SARS outbreak, [5], (Xiandie, China) * 2003 - Riot after The Exploited had to cancel a show in Montreal, Canada. [6] October 14, 2003 * 2004 - 2004 Kosovo riots * 2004 - Palm Island riot, (Palm Island, Queensland, Australia) * 2004 - Redfern riots, (Sydney, Australia) * 2004 - Han-Hui riot, [7], (Henan province, China). * 2004 - VEISHEA riot, drunk Iowa State students riot, cancel 2005 VEISHEA (Ames, Iowa) * 2004 Urso Branco prison riot,[8] (Rondonia, Brazil) * 2004 - Chinese riot in response to a beating,[9] (Guangdong, China) * 2004 - Citizens in Benghu riot in response to inflating prices and poor healthcare, [10], (Anhui, China) * 2004 - Farmers riot when their land is taken and given to real-estate companies, [11], (Zhengzhou, China) * 2004 - Chinese soccer fans riot when a Japanese team wins the final, [12], (Beijing, China) * 2005 - Dongzhou protest, [13] (Guangdong, China) * 2005 - Belize unrest, January 2005, (Belmopan, Belize) * 2005 - Macquarie Fields riots, February 2005, southwestern suburb of Sydney, Australia * 2005 - Cedar Revolution, February 2005, Lebanon * 2005 - Anti-Japanese riots, April 2005, Beijing, Shenzhen and Guangzhou, China * 2005 - Riots in response to land taken for a powerplant, [14], (Shenyou, China) * 2005 - Riots over excessive pollution, [15], (Zhejiang, China) * 2005 - Perpignan ethnic violence, May 2005, [16], (Perpignan, France) * 2005 - Maldives civil unrest, August 2005, (Malé, Maldives) * 2005 - Chinese worker riot, [17] July 2005, (Xizhou, China). In 2005, the government admitted to 87,000 riots across China.[18] * 2005 - 2005 civil unrest in France, October 2005 * 2005 - 2005 Toledo Riot, October 2005, (Toledo, Ohio, USA) * 2005 - Anti-Muslim Riots of Mau [19], October 2005, (Mau, UttarPradesh),India * 2005 - Mar del Plata Summit of the Americas, November 2005, (Mar del Plata, Argentina) * 2005 - 2005 Cronulla riots, December 2005, (Sydney, Australia) * 2006 - Cartoon riots * 2006 - 2006 Dublin riots, Feb. 25, Dublin, Ireland * 2006 - San Bernardino punk riot, March 4, San Bernardino, California * 2006 - 2006 labor protests in France, March-April, Paris, France * 2006 - Burj Dubai riot, (Dubai, UAE) * 2006 - Hindu/Muslim Aligarh Riots, April 2006, (Aligarh,India) * 2006 - Rajkumar death riots, April, (India) * 2006 - April 2006 Venezuela prison riot,[20] April, (Venezuela) * 2006 - San Salvador Atenco Vendor Permit Riots (San Salvador Atenco, Mexico)[21] * 2006 - Shengda Economics, Trade and Management College diploma riot [22] * 2006 - Riot after a hospital doesn't treat a patient, [23], (Sichuan, China) * 2006 - Download Festival Riots Donnington, UK * 2006 - Riot over government response to a whistleblower, [24], (Shandong, China) * 2006 - Riot follows after a traffic accident incites violence, [25], (Chizhou, China) * 2006 - Riot over a land dispute, [26], (Sanzhou, China) * 2006 - 2006 Windsor ethnic violence * 2006 - 2006 protests in Hungary * 2006 - 2006 Brussels riots * 2006 - Copenhagen December Riot * 2007 - Anti-immigrant riots, [27], (Madrid, Spain) * 2007 - Copenhagen March riots * 2007 - Chinese immigrants clash with riot police, [28], (Milan, Italy) * 2007 - Gare du Nord riot in Paris * 2007 - Riot starts when a company takes over the bus routes and doubles the fares, , (Zhushan, China) * 2007 - Riot over the relocation of the Bronze Soldier of Tallinn, Estonia * 2007 - 2007 Karachi Riots, Pakistan * 2007 - Cigarbox-riot May 14, Freetown Christiania (Copenhagen-Denmark) * 2007 - G8 Riot Rostock June 3, G8 Conference Rostock, Germany * 2007 - Undie 500 student Riots in Dunedin, New Zealand * 2007 - Half year anniversary of ungdomshus eviction.(Copenhagen-Denmark) * 2007 - Muslim-Tibetan riot, [30], (Qinghai, China) * 2007 - Muslim-Han riot, [31], (Shandong, China) * 2007 - Roma riots, [32], Sofia, Bulgaria Interestingly it looks like most of the riots are western world riots. corrupt societies and false religion has to be behind these wanton violence and destruction, flawed humanity~

Hypocrisy abounds, indeed. Imagine that? Israel training Kurds, who are know killing Turks and Iranians? Oh what a tangled web we weave.....

and JUST 20 hours ago!!! Imagine that just 20 hours ago!!! http://iccoventry.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news...-name_page.html I simply can't imagine that? rioting western /christians, who the heck do they think they are?! So many riots world wide to choose from, I was frightened,at the madness. Yet horrifically drawn to the frightening clothes worn by the rioters, HOODIES, GIANT HATS in garish colours, who forced them to wear these God awful pieces of clothing?? What is wrong with the societies they are raised in? It must be there religion that causes this outrageous behaviour!! It just must be, because I was so frightened by it all, I need something simplistic to blame it all on, so then I can demonize and make sure that I feel better and smugly superior. I saw all that caucasion skin and some caucasion tushie, in some videos, OMG!!!!

and those christian western Italians, these are seriously flawed societies! http://www.rediff.com/sports/2004/mar/23rome.htm Rome soccer riot was planned' A hardcore of Lazio and AS Roma soccer fans worked together to spark the riot that caused the Rome derby to be abandoned on Sunday, politicians said on Monday. Police on Monday said they had arrested 13 supporters from both sides, some of them known hooligans, following a six-hour pitched battle between police and fans that left more than 170 people injured. or Australia, that great western Brit civilization founded on criminal from Britian http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Off...t/2005/03/13/11 Officers attacked during soccer riot Five people were arrested over a riot involving about 50 fans of rival soccer clubs in Sydney yesterday. Two police officers were injured in the violence, between supporters of the Croatian-backed Sydney United and the Serbian-backed Bonnyrigg White Eagles.

Linked inextricably to flawed western society and CHRISTIANITY http://www.metacafe.com/watch/126546/south...n_soccer_riots/ South America

oops, I didn't write the article. live with it. Therefore common sense should dictate to you that is NOT my statement wrt hezbollah. had you read the entire article you would have been aware of this. Since you chose not to, we have the above response. Given that the entire article is about US hypocrisy????? BTW: Israel is a country therefore I fail to see how it could be a terrorist, (which is indicative of a person more then a piece of land) Did you mean terrorist state?