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Ignorance appears, to lead you to believe ,you have the upper hand Surrealpolitik How a Chechen terror suspect wound up living on taxpayers' dollars near the National Zoo http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2005Mar15.html chechen "rebels" and the US go back , way back to Afghanistan.

Canadian Blue, of course it is! just ask scottsa.

"but I will point out that this "rapture culture" is certainly not representative of mainstream Christianity" but of course, in your double standard, Islamic terrorism is representative of mainstream Islam but millions of rapture believers inc, but not limited to quite alot of the Bush administration, doesn't constitute a problematic situation?

Hmm perhaps the US via the NED and other aid agencies , should stop backing Chechnyan "rebels" in order to destabalize Russia? Putin has worked hard to restart the cold-war? That's rich! yeah it was Putin that said he was putting star wars in Canada right?

btw: Hal Lindsey is a nut job, as is Pat Robertson. They promote religion for political and financial gain.

http://umnexus.org/context.php?Article=28 This is from the Methodist's, now read the entire article, cause it is big, Apparently the Methodist's are concerned with the "rapture culture" because it crosses borders over numerous christian faiths and is associated with more then one anyway, so your statement is actually irrelevant. That is why "Note: this website is not affiliated with any organized religion or religious organization." Is NOT relevant. now to the article: United Methodists Face Dangers of the Rapture Culture The Rev. Dr. Donald W. Hayne I see at least four dangers inherent to the “Rapture culture” for United Methodists. The first contemporary book to popularize Darby’s theory came in the 1970s — “The Late Great Planet Earth,” by Hal Lindsey, a graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary, founded in 1924 by Presbyterian Lewis Chafer as a dispensationalists’ training center. Of course, the latest popularization is Timothy LaHaye’s and Jerry Junkins’ “Left Behind” series, with more than 50 million copies sold and each copy passed, on average, to three other people. Furthermore, the “Rapture culture” is convinced that before Jesus returns his second time, the Dome of the Rock, built by Islam in 691 A.D. on a plateau in Jerusalem, must be torn down (imagine the havoc that would create and the miscarriage of justice it would entail). Then a new Jewish Temple must be built on that site, apparently solely for the purpose of being desecrated by the antichrist so it can become the site of the returning Messiah seven years later to fight the battle of Armageddon. At that time, the Jews would lose. In “rapture culture,” the Last Judgment would reject to eternal damnation all Jews who did not receive Jesus as the Messiah. The theory conveniently ignores John 2:20-21, which says that Jesus “was speaking of the resurrection of his body,” not referring to the Herod’s Temple. Two books are most helpful if you are a member of the “Rapture culture” or if you are concerned/interested in its rapid spread among all American religious groups — mainline as well as fundamentalists. One is Amy Johnson Frykholm’s “Rapture Culture.” Frykholm is a South Dakotan with southern roots who became aware of how much the “Rapture culture” eschatology had permeated her own family network. Her book follows more than 70 people -- Catholics, Presbyterians, agnostics, Baptists and others – in their use of and response to apocalyptic language over three years. The other book is Barbara Rossing’s “The Rapture Exposed,” recently reprinted with a new study guide edited by Lutheran journalist Ann Hafften. I found her book is confrontational and almost as politically biased as those whom she opposes. However, Rossing offers great value in her short but excellent history of Dispensationalism, an important chapter titled “The Rapture Script for the Middle East,” and her superb biblical exegesis of key passages used by the “rapture culture.” These passages include the four texts most misinterpreted by Dispensationalists: Daniel 9:25-27, I Thessalonians 4, I Corinthians 15 and Revelation 11. This is a really big article, and I have reduced it greatly to relevant points. Now this Reverend, points out the same problems with the 'rapture culture' as out mentioned on that website and on the ones I posted yesterday. There are multi-millions of these 'believers' out there.

I voted for change. and yes, the referendum was certainly a major missed opportunity. I read somewhere 1 in 3 voted for change, I am quite amazed it was that many, given the near non-existent coverage, particularily on the telly, no discussion in the election campaign itself, less then adequate information, and when it did come, to little to late.

oops, sorry Daniel! I see you noticed the same thing I did.

Interesting to note, though this was a small poll here, it certainly did not represent, Ontario voters wishes.

tsk, tsk Jefferiah, what is the doctrine of the rapture all about? There must be enough believers of that nonsense to have them be best sellers, makes sense eh? How about the video game? brainwash the "religious right" children. How about jesus camp? The sad, sad, sad fact, is there are millions of fanatic christians, who support the destruction of the ME in general, inc. in the end the people of Jewish faith. Oh yeah, they love Israel, only until their sick little prophecy comes forth. http://truthroom.com/home.php introduction 1.The current events in the Middle East are leading many informed people to believe that the end of the age prophesized in the Bible is unfolding. For this to be true, a series of significant final events must occur. how about this number 7: 07 antichrist "The Peacemaker Turns Antichrist as he is overtaken by demonic power, an event marking the midpoint of the seven years. The Peacemaker—turned Antichrist—turns on the Jews, pursuing them and all others that will not bow to him as God. This event is God's punishment to the Jews for accepting a human as their savior." That's a big part of the rapture nonsense, the Jewish people being punished. here's a nice rapture song http://home.comcast.net/~sts48/Rapture_Song.MP3 I could not make better nonsense up then this garbage. It's all out in the open. The hopeful fact is there are enough level-headed non-fanatic christians that protest this garbage, and point out, that for lack of a better word it is ,heresy.

hey, it's ALL good if it's done by the "west" wacky preachers , left-behinders and more, western junk. It's all good.

who's flagellating there own heritage? christian fanaticism isn't part of my heritage. so what the heck are you talking about? perhaps in the time of the crusades , fanaticism was okdky, but not now.

kudos to Buffy, btw, because rather then calling names on the forum as sooo many do, she chose not to! bravo!

jefferiah: I can send you a little note so you won't feel so excluded. here's a smiley

says things like what? christian scammers and scandals? that's what this person is and that's what this is? what ridiculous things? the rapture? OMG there is enough news and coverage on it, websites and products, books and videogames. There is Godtube and more, Are you afraid? is that why you don't want other's to talk about it? Concerned more people will realize these "cults" are out there and they are extremist in their views??? Censoring? what is it?

Really? why? Catholics believe in Jesus, which is what Christianity is about. anyway I find that quite odd. Oh and the "christians" I am referring to aren't usually Catholics

oh I would love to know that one!!!

I thought they were quite interesting also. it is worrisome to have unaccountable military maniacs having such liberty. Was it not blackwater Mercs that were in New Orleans being "problematic" to the populace?

Totally lost on you is of course the fact these are not my ideas, these people are living and breathing fanatics, as one can see in the video. Nor did I create the "left-behind" series of books, or the violent video game of the same name for these cult followers, and if there were none of these cultish "christians" these books and video games would have no market. http://www.raptureready.com/ or this video http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?view...2a556c8b4c307bc those poor "left behind" Thankfully, those are NOT my ideas

and as always resort to insults, show your true colours, please?

well hey, that's your opinion, but, the speech was quite interesting, and the book defintely caught my attention. give it a listen. Did you know that the blackwater mercenaries killed in Fallujah, are now having their estates sued, by Blackwater.?

oh, sorry, no apology, just a better choice of words.

Your kidding right? where to begin?? But I will change it from MOST, to, FAR TO MANY. Including most of the born-agains with there rapture prophecy, then go from there, K? The religious right? I'll throw this in as a refresher http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenth...th_b_57826.html or this http://atheism.about.com/od/bookreviews/fr...tureCulture.htm Rapture Culture: Left Behind in Evangelical America, This christian cult is quite willing to see the slaughter of millions to fulfill their flaky beliefs.

after you watch it, you may want to buy the book. I agree 100 percent !

Curious Higgly? did you watch those mini vids? when the author makes his speech, he says Erik prince's uncle told him , more or less, to back off , cause Erik Prince is doing "God's work" See, the Christian God really is dictating war, slaughter , torture, and more, from GWB, to Erik Prince. scary.