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wow Jerry, I watched like 2 minutes and realized, a metaphor was being drawn. between two scenarios. Symbolism. I stopped it. I'll watch the rest later. But much adieu about nothing. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030512/editors . war profiteering, profiting from misery

Jerry: No one is claiming anything is a GLOBAL CONSPIRACY, except you. while I hate to point out the naivete. and the use of nonsensical language? Unfortunately...... "To say that capitalists profit from other people's misery is to see the world with free-enterprise-hating blinders on" Untrue. Unfortunately it is to see things the way they are. Are you telling me honestly that haliburton is not profiting off, of the misery of the Iraq war?(war profiteering, nothing new there right?) In fact, to use another industry, as an example that profits (earns money) from misery, look at the news industry, every tragedy, murder etc., is paraded, sometimes rather garishly about, to increase profits. How about all the books written that profit off of horrific murders?( Homolka and Bernardo) Recall during the Ice storm in Canada, when some "capitalists" increased the price of generators, when they were needed so desperately . Supply and demand, right? Tight supply plus high demand equals increased prices like Iraq's oil. Face it, and face the simple facts, profiting from the misery of others is done all the time. In many cases, In many industries. All throughout history.

actually having NEVER read even one Klein book, you make a huge assumption, and wrong again. But given the FACTS of history, it is not at all difficult to say that capitalists have regularily profited from misery and disaster, as we see today in Iraq. Your description while fabulously swishy and colourful, is not grounded in any sort of reality. In fact and I'll reiterate" as you choose scottsa, as you choose The concept Klein is promoting ( now I did listen to a lengthy interview with her re: this book) In fact it is absolutely nothing new. Maybe there are some new ways it is done, but profiting on misery and disaster, is absolutely a given. Right down to lining up contracts prior to the attack on Iraq? On which in fact huge profits have been generated on the misery of war. Just the facts scott, I know that's very difficult, but it is just the facts.

It is correct, though isn't it? Stalin used Fatherland in his speeches, didn't he? weren't we in fact both correct, in light of the fact that Hitler was using Motherland. But the point of the lingo, is already explained. Wilber or you can switch it around as you please, the point is still the same. Fatherland, motherland, homeland, rhetoric, for the state as "caretaker", frightening.

the capitalists are quite organized, let's not kid ourselves, they were lining up for 'work" even before the US attacked Iraq. waiting to take advantage of the disaster that is Iraq. But one example. http://www.opensecrets.org/news/rebuilding_iraq/index.asp "Rebuilding Iraq -- The Contractors Doesn't it make sense, though, in the whole realm of war profiteering, which has a long long history? hey, it's better to attack and deride people who point these facts out though, eh? Quick throw the words "conspiracy" around. As a way to squelch discussion on the plain, simple facts. shall we get into war profiteering in ww2??

Yes, I can well imagine the US gives a hoot about "innocent oil workers"?

Iraq, will not see any or very,very little revenue from it's own oil. There was news about the very profitable agreements, made for western oil co. Not for iraq. But this was always about "wmd's" no, I mean "freedom and democracy".

oddly enough this signature has raised that question quite a bit. during ww2 Stalin embraced the Fatherland, while Hitler used the Motherland check this out: http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....st&p=265222

I fear thou doth protest to much, if there is no problem with it, then there is no problem, except it seems there are parallels, between the Tories and the fanatical Christian right. Inc: Charles Mcvety and others, shall we name names? it does seem the religious right played a role in the ouster of Garth Turner. Turner was certainly not a fave of the prime Minister, nor was he subservient to the 'don't talk' 'lips sealed' edict of the Harper gov.

wow they have fanatic christians in Russia to? Amazing hagee better get over there and tell them Jesus is not the messiah.

Yah, that premise the rich and powerful, profiting off of the misery of the poor, is such a stretch. LOL! I mean it never ever happened, in the past, present or in the future. Oh wait a minute, massive profits off of the misery of the Iraqis. Haliburton, Kellog/brown/root, all the private mercs, inc. Blackwater. control of iraqs financial system , oil, and agriculture, enriching western corporations. Corporations profiting from the misery of the masses. So hard to believe, NOT!

wrt private planes, MH. where will the accountability be for that? Many, very wealthy individuals have there own private planes, who would they transport? for money? how would those individuals be accounted for? example BinLaden. answer: they will not be accounted for, because the "no-fly" lists are for commercial fliers, that means average joe and jane, that means me and you. so what is the real value of the no fly list???

so I am off doing some reading on Hagee's man in canada, who is also Harper's man Charles Mcvety interestingly: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...me=&no_ads= Garth Turner, the outspoken Conservative MP for Halton, is facing a mobilization of some members of the Christian community who are determined to keep him from running in the next election. Turner, who favours the status quo on the controversial issue of gay marriage -- though his party's election policy is to take the issue to another vote -- has been embroiled in a war of words with some members of the nation's Christian community. Charles McVety, the president of both Canada Christian College and the Canada Family Action Coalition, has been his chief opponent. McVety is working to destabilize MPs who don't support the traditional view of marriage, and is currently focusing his efforts on toppling Turner. But then Garth still won, despite the maneuvering. But that was not good enough for the Harper conservatives, and there Hagee lovin' supporters. Mr Turner had to go!!!! Then he was gone. Curiouser and curiouser. But amazingly it appears none of our christian conservatives know who Hagee is????

au contraire margrace, many people are aware of Hagee, and his lunatic ravings. It would seem he thinks quite highly of our own Harper, who attends a church that espouses the nonsensical points of view, Mr Hagee, preaches. It would seem from a political point of view, that harper and his christian fanatic supporters, would not want to shine the light to brightly on this, as it would be repulsive to the vast majority of Canadians.

Binladen, or his family will just charter a private plane. The US will allow them to fly freely, just like after 9/11. Let's be realistic here.

now there's a crock of baloney. OOOO posters on a Canadian forum are effecting the behaviour of Jewish kids in Israel. You could not have typed that with a straight face? seriously?

I gotta agree with you on the spitting, I loathe it also. There is nothing worse then sitting at a park bench, and the person before you has left remnants of there visit, on the ground. The symbolism ,spitting on another person implies, is that you are nothing but trash, so low, so filthy. I spit on you. An elderly," old world" member of my family ,when disgusted, would say, I spit on you, and often include a spitting noise to "bring it on home" These kids likely learned this behaviour at home,(parents have no respect for christians) or perhaps as the article states it is societal,

http://www.walrusmagazine.com/articles/200...d-the-theocons/ older article from the Walrus magazine. long read, well worth it. Does this explain the silence from our own "conservative christians" wrt to this nasty comment by Hagee?? Harper's church: East Gate Alliance Church, the unlikely evangelical congregation that Harper attends. so is it safe to surmise the silence from Christian Harper supporters is self-enforced silence so as not to allow readers here, and lurkers, to understand that Mr. Harper and a rather large faction of his followers are in fact fanatic Christians?? large article worth reading. Boy, I feel so much better now knowing Hagee, adores Harper, and see's him as one of his own, and it is also good to know religious fanatacism lurks anywhere at all in an alleged. democracy. In this case silence appears to speak volumes.

MH: so 53,000 people on the list (of 755,000) were "questioned" that is , JUST 1/15th of the names on the list, and most were released and allowed to enter the US. Now if 15,000 people who know they were on the list are requesting removal, but it seems quite likely the vast majority do not know they are even on the list. It is quite probable to postulate that the vast majority of the people on the list should not even be on there! again, false security. No matter how you slice or dice it. False sense of security.

A list of "POTENTIAL " security risks is nonsense. Potentially nothing could come of it. Do you think American Lawyers, small kids and grandmas are POTENTIAL security risks? To what? To who? A list of "potential" security risks, should be accurate, since the security risks are merely POTENTIONAL, not definite. Hence false security.

sharkman Well sharkman, this wasn't supposed to be about Israel. it was supposed to be about christians? Why would hagee, make such a statement, as a leader of a very large and influential CHRISTIAN flock, who promotes a unique CHRISTIAN end-time theology. This is strange to say the least. In fact, how you could even claim the end time belief supports Israel is beyond me completely. How any Christian can follow this man, any sane christian that is, is also beyond my comprehension??? http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/200...esus_is_war.php Jesus Is War Mon Nov 05, 2007 The video above gives you an idea of the kind of lunacy that's coming to Miami. John Hagee and his "Christians United for Israel" tour will be here tomorrow night. Hagee and his followers are calling for unilateral war on Iran. Of course, a driving force is their desire for Armageddon -- and they war in the Middle East as their ticket to the End Times. Hosting the crusaders Tuesday night at the James L. Knight Center is Pastor Guillermo Maldonado, who claims the largest Latino congregation in America. It's called "A Night To Honor Israel." In addition to the regular cast of Krazy Kristian Kooks and Zany Zionists, Hagee's website also promises the attendance of "city leaders." Somebody needs to keep on these people. Might as well be the Pulp. Jesus is war, but he ain't the messiah, just ask Christian pastor hagee? crazy times, like the lunacy of the dark ages!!!

It's false security, because, YOU believe it keeps you safer, yet there is ZERO indication it does, or is actually capable of doing so. Unless your afraid of small children, grandmas , Ted Kennedy, Lawyers , such as Francis Boyle. I guess if those are the people you are afraid of then the list is doing a smashing job?

False prophet? I dunno he is pretty weird, I see some christians are less then impressed with this stance, since it negates all their beliefs. But hey, he can sell some books to the end-timers. You should read up on the cash this guy pulls in, selling his snake oil voodooo.

s. Actually there are many , many more then 2 examples, and the assumption that the list has a 2 percent error rate is also false. 15,000 people are challenging the gov, for removal from the list, because they KNOW or are aware they are on it, how many other's have yet to find out??? The list, gives a false sense of security to you apparently, and labels people as terrorists, for no apparent reason, other then that there name is on some arbitrary no fly list. That grows bigger exponentially, at that rate, you will soon know someone on it, personally. Maybe it will be you.

But obviously it's false security, full of grandma's and toddlers and 15,000 people asking for there names to be removed. That is security?