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I don't know about shoop but MB made some (now-deleted) posts threatening to shoot aboriginal people. The post was pretty vile and I can see why it would be an immediate banning offense. thanks

Most first nations would not be economically viable as true soveriegn states, as a result, the first nations need to be part of a larger economic entity like Canada. Accepting non-aborignal authority over your lands is a price you have to pay for the priviledge of being part of Canada and having Canadian citizenship. BTW: you have just admitted that you are demanding special rights because of your ethnic background. I agree with you all the way Riverwind but you are being drowned out. If natives feel they are a sovereign nation then they shouldn't be receiving billions from the taxpayers, maybe some 'foreign aid' and loans.

I've been away for a bit and havn't really caught up. Have M Burns and Shoop both been banned really - from what I read they weren't any near as abrasive or prone to adhominems as some more recent posters have...(in a very contentious thread.)

He's not a wealthy man, unlike many other PMs, he's middle class with regular suburban upbringing.

I don't agree its mountains - molehills, he obviously is attempting it, knowing a number of CPC's would vote for it, if it's a free vote. If it passes, its a foot in the door, give an inch they'll take a mile. Hopefully it won't make it out of committee.

Parties are required to disclose the source of any donation over $100. Maybe you could provide a link to back up your claims, this one says otherwise. http://www.stephentaylor.ca/archives/000172.html The next time that someone tells you that the Conservatives are controlled by the corporations, show them these figures. Tell them to take a closer look. That should settle the debate.

Harper is not the average person and the tickets he bought would never be sold to the general public anyway. If I had any clout or fame whatsoever I would have used it to get a ticket to that game as well. There are many legitimate reasons to criticize Harper, MP Mark Holland and others should stick to those instead inventing mini-scandals. I knew this would be used against him, even though he is required to travel with security etc. and was going out there anyway, as were the MP's. etc. Harper paid for his own tickets, and somehow that's a bad thing ! The CPC are obviously held to a higher standard than other parties. What is noticeable is that there is little for the opposition to rant about, therefore they have to really nitpick, not to mention that the liberals in opposition seem to be floundering. They've lost their 'entitlements' and are no longer ruling with some 'divine right' .....

Still no news that I've heard, I just got confirmation from Steckle's office as I was beginning to wonder if it were true - it is. Hard to believe that nothing has been said on this in the media - guess they don't know what to say. I'm not sure about procedure but it may not get out of committee, it could be deemed non-votable. Harper made it clear from the get go that abortion was not up for discussion, if it makes it to a Parliamentary vote I'm guessing it will be a free vote. Personally I don't have a problem with limiting late terms, but I think we alll know that this is a foot in the door to denying women freedom of choice.

I think its priceless too, so far no mention of it on the news or CBC website. If its a setup, I don't think it would harm Harper too much if he shut down debate, he's made it clear all along that he won't allow any bills or debate on abortion. Not only that, the NDP will have to vote with the CPC. It is priceless...

Thats what I was wondering also, but surely they wouldn't want an election right now. Obviously Layton thinks he can call the shots as to who Harper puts in cabinet, but it won't work. I have to admit I admire Harper's call on this one.

Gee, this is getting very interesting. Harper seems to be a pretty good strategist. The NDP have a nerve calling for a minister's resignation because she isn't falling into lockstep with their platform. Good for Harper on this one. www.torontostar.com Liberals blink on Tory election threat Jun. 21, 2006. 03:04 PM CANADIAN PRESS OTTAWA — The Tories won the latest game of political brinksmanship Wednesday as the Liberals refused to support an NDP motion calling for the resignation of Environment Minister Rona Ambrose. If the motion had passed, it would have gone to a vote in the House of Commons next fall and possibly triggered an election. Liberals on the Commons environment committee said they'd abstain from voting on the motion calling for the resignation of Environment Minister Rona Ambrose. The NDP motion castigated Ambrose for failing to defend the Kyoto Protocol, and for failing to defend the environment generally. The motion seemed to have a good chance of passing, since the Conservatives are in a minority on the committee. But Prime Minister Stephen Harper raised the stakes Tuesday, saying he would consider the motion a matter of confidence, meaning that its passage would have toppled the government.

Wow, and its a Liberal bill, how will the liberals get around accusing the conservatives of doing away with women's choice. http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/jun/06062105.html First Bill Restricting Abortion Tabled in Canada Under Conservative Government By John-Henry Westen OTTAWA, June 21, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Liberal MP Paul Steckle stood today in the House of Commons to introduce the first piece of pro-life legislation in the current parliament under the Conservative Government. In introducing Bill C-338, 'An Act to Amend the Criminal Code (procuring a miscarriage after 20 weeks of gestation),' Steckle called on the House to debate the issue noting that Canada was one of the only countries in the world with absolutely no protection for the unborn in law whatsoever. The bill would restrict abortion after twenty weeks gestation; currently in Canada abortions are performed at tax-payer expense up birth.

There is mention of more aggressive tactics here. If they are successful at getting away with violent and illegal blockades it will embolden them to step them up. They are losing a lot of good will over this and any more attempts will erode that further. It is time the gov't stepped in and took a firm stand against violence and agression, and stop the double standards. http://tinyurl.com/l6r6l (Toronto Star) CALEDONIA—As the dust settles around the site of a native standoff in Caledonia, a troubling picture is emerging of how the community descended into near anarchy under the watch of the Ontario Provincial Police and could be poised to slip even further. Rumblings that Six Nations members are prepared to use aggressive tactics to claim more land along the Grand River are growing louder, and some townspeople say they've lost faith that the police will protect them — and their land — if protestors stage more uprisings. Since native protestors began occupying the Douglas Creek Estates development in February, police have been widely accused of turning a blind eye to lawbreakers, including those who dug up portions of the highway with a backhoe, lit tire fires and blocked the road.

So what do you all think to McGuinty's proposal for the new cities? Sounds like sardines in a can to me. Guess that's another thread though.

Interesting, I thought it was the former burbs, as in Scarborough through Etobicoke. Pickering is a City so is Mississauga, so I didn't think it included actual cities. I sure wouldn't include Burlington or Ajax and east... hmmm

Hmmmm, a lefty PR firm VS Fox News. I wonder which does more damage. Not to mention the several "think tanks" right wingers have at their disposal - and didn't the Bush administration hire a PR firm in 2000 to push out false info about Iraq? If you are going to cite something like this you should at least appear to try and be balanced. Cindy Sheehan jumped the shark a long time ago and is no longer effective at being an antiwar activist, she lost that focus a long time ago. Neither does she have any business in Canada encouraging illegal refugees to stay here. You don't generally bash your own country when on foreign soil either, (and not just in Canada) The deserters are volunteers, when you do that you accept orders no matter what, they can't pick and choose which orders they think they will obey, you don't join the army to play paintball they knew what can happen when you actually - you know - join an army. The insurgents are not freedom fighters, they are not fighting for freedom in any sense of the words. They are fighting for an Islamic theocracy which means killing innocent Iraqis indiscriminately as well. http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadA...le.asp?ID=19117 However, none of the mainstream media accounts of this beatified mourner recognize her long history of extremist rhetoric, her close association with far-Left and anti-Semitic figures, or the way she has seemingly rewritten her own history when it suited her purposes.

Another reason to get rid of an unelected partisian Senate. Notice the part about charging higher fees at the convention to get around some fundraising issues. http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...b3-9290453a1f5c Liberals accused of deliberately delaying ethics bill Senators aim to benefit party leadership race, Tories, NDP say to hold up the Conservatives' accountability bill because its proposed $1,000 limitation on political donations would create problems for their party's fundraising and leadership convention this fall, the government Senate leader says. Senator Marjory LeBreton, along with NDP critic Pat Martin, said yesterday that suggestions from the Liberals that it may take until December for the Senate to properly study the much-anticipated corruption-fighting legislation makes them suspect that the date of the Grit leadership convention in the same month may be playing a role in their slow deliberations. "I hope they are not doing this simply because they are worrying about the date of the Liberal leadership convention because that wouldn't be appropriate," said Ms. LeBreton. For his part, Mr. Martin predicted "the wrath of Canadians" will come down on the Liberals, who have a majority in the Senate, if they do hold up the legislation in the upper chamber after the House "rolled up its sleeves and worked some extraordinary long days" on the bill. "These senators come from an era of unbridled patronage ... politics. They are no friends of open government, and transparency and accountability run opposite to what they are all about," Mr. Martin added. He also pointed out that the Liberal party's decision to charge high fees for its convention in December put it in a potential conflict with the new provisions in the bill, which limit individual donations...... The House of Commons is expected to sit until midnight every day this week in order to approve the ethics package, which Prime Minister Stephen Harper has said is his government's top priority, before the House breaks for the summer. It's expected the bill will be sent to the Senate for its consideration tomorrow.

Not a heck of a lot in that video, pretty dark - but maybe I missed the bandanas, tasers machettes, guns - you know all that good stuff the occupiers are using.

I did read something about that as this group is getting away with a violent illegal blockade, therefore similar tactics could spread.

Her son willingly went to Iraq and re-enlisted and I agree, she's a dupe, and look who's supporting her - George Soros and his left wing propaganda machine. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1470024/posts

In other words, we don't have the whole story. Wonder if Mike Duffy is playing into the liberals' good books hoping for a Senate appointment if they should return to power ?

I understand the intent to imprison them is to prevent any more crimes being repeated. But these are not Canadian citizens....and they did the crime elsewhere. Why should we burden ourselves with the expenses of incarcerating these individuals? Wouldn't the most practical and easiest thing to do is to simply say, "sorry. bye." Agreed, Canada should not take them in particularly since that recent arrest of 17 suspected terrorists - not good optics.

I'm afraid that is my take on it too, whether or not the protesters have a point isn't the issue. It is the double standards and indecisiveness of the gov't, and the inability to protect all citizens. The gov't allowed this to escalate and now is costing us millions. While I agree that the use of force might exacerbate the situation, a firmer hand from the beginning could have prevented what happened. It is obvious that the gov't intervened and told the OPP not to act, yet they castigated the conservatives when they intervened. The probem now is that there is a very clear message to all of us; one group can get away with attempted murder, violence and anarchy, while the ROC cannot. Again, race based preferential treatment.

Ryerson should not back down, Morgentaler's degree is a good comparison, and example of a double standard from activists. These left wing activists profess to be tolerant but it is evidently tolerance of only views with which they agree. The attempts to shut down freedom of speech and opposing views is quite transparent, but accusations of racism and 'homophobia' always work these days.

This was on the news today, so it looks like the Union may have to answer for this. The union has no business meddling in M.E. affairs, (or any international affairs actually) http://www.recorder.ca/cp/National/060616/n061623A.html CUPE locals protest union's call for boycott of Israeli goods TORONTO (CP) - Four locals of the Canadian Union of Public Employees say they're "outraged" at the union's call for a boycott of Israeli goods. The union members are holding an information picket today in front of the offices of CUPE's Ontario Division in Toronto. However, the offices have been closed during the protest. On May 27, delegates to the CUPE Ontario convention voted unanimously to support an international campaign to boycott goods from the Jewish state. The resolution states that CUPE Ontario will develop an education campaign about the issue. Last week, locals representing workers from five Jewish social service agencies sent a letter to CUPE'S national leadership asking them to intervene and rescind the resolution.