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What about the other 200 who've died up there, are there bodies mummified or whatever? I didn't realize this guy had gone solo, now that was dumb.

A paradigm shift in the Liberal media....LOL more like a tectonic plate shift to move them

he's practicing 'tough love', a firm hand on the tiller while keeping control. So far its working.

Nah, Canadians will be grandfathered in, we'll get to keep our health care..... should I start packing for Florida now... Actually they divide this darned continent the wrong way, it should have been divided vertically, then we could have had Florida.... sigh.

Gotta post this one, its good, they got this one right. http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/ed...6d-d33e8a46d706 Stephen Harper's brief tenure as Prime Minister has been marked by tactical brilliance. He has managed to produce a popular budget, lower Canada's tax burden, solve the softwood lumber dispute, improve relations with the Americans, boost federalist morale in Quebec, reinstate pride in our military, and kill (or fatally wound) a host of misguided Liberal initiatives. If an election were held today, the Conservatives likely would win a majority government. Yet when he presents himself in front of cameras and microphones, Mr. Harper does not appear as the successful politican he has become. Instead, he comes across as prickly. No doubt, this defensive posture is a residue from the dark days of the Canadian Alliance and its immediate aftermath, when the nation's media was virtually united against them. No doubt too some of that bias is entrenched among the attitudes of the Ottawa press corps to this day. Mr. Harper's government and the Parliamentary press gallery have sniped at one another from the start, largely because of the PMO's attempts to limit the damage that can be done to the government by hostile coverage. But this week marked a new low. On Tuesday, a large group of reporters walked out of one of the PM's press conferences after being told Mr. Harper would only take questions from reporters who put their names on a PMO list. They allege the Prime Minister is playing favourites, giving preference to those reporters known for lobbing softballs -- admittedly, hardly a radical idea among practitioners of spin.

It is beyond me how these people could just walk by a dying man - 40 people did. Talk show hosts yesterday were going on about it, I was surprised at the number of callers who thought it was okay, its the climb you know. I'm not sure if he would have survived had they got him down. http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/ed...fe-864aa2551b16 No heroes in thin air How could one climber leave another to die on a mountain? A better question is how could 40 climbers do so? It is hard to imagine any justification for the behaviour of the group, which included double-amputee Mark Inglis of New Zealand, who last week turned their backs on a stricken British climber and carried on to the summit of Mount Everest. Death on Everest is not unusual. There have been some 200 deaths on the world's highest mountain over the years -- and seven already this year -- testimony to the ghastly risks that climbing at extreme elevations entails. But the circumstances of the death last week of David Sharp, who is thought to have expired of oxygen deprivation at about the same time Mr. Inglis and others were posing for triumphal photographs on the summit, leaves a stain not only on those directly involved in the incident, but on the sport.

Is there hope: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...BBAS26/TPStory/ Palestinian president challenges government to recognize Israel's right to exist, or face a referendum on a two-state solution that is almost guaranteed to pass RAMALLAH -- In a bold move, Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas delivered an ultimatum to the Hamas-led government yesterday: Agree to an implicit recognition of Israel and the acceptance of a two-state solution or face a popular referendum that will almost certainly endorse the idea. "Our cause is at stake. We cannot afford the luxury of time," Mr. Abbas said during the first day of a summit in Ramallah aimed at ending the increasingly vicious factional fighting in the Palestinian territories. He gave parliamentarians 10 days to reach an agreement on a proposal penned by senior Hamas, Fatah and Islamic Jihad leaders being held in Israeli prisons, warning that if they fail to reach an agreement he will hold a referendum within 40 days. Analysts believe a referendum embracing a two-state solution would pass easily. "Our stomachs are hungry, our pockets are empty," Mr. Abbas said, alluding to the cutoff of financial aid by many Western countries since Hamas was elected. "We cannot feed hungry people on slogans." Central to Mr. Abbas's surprise plan is an 18-point proposal known as the "prisoner's document," which was put forward this month by a group of senior Palestinian faction members held in Israel's Hadarim Prison, led by popular Fatah secretary Marwan Barghouti. The plan calls for all factions to accept a two-state solution -- the future Palestine would include the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem, captured by Israel in 1967 -- and to authorize the Palestinian Liberation Organization as the official negotiating body. Acceptance of the plan would imply Hamas's recognition of Israel's right to exist. However, it is unlikely to be accepted by Israeli negotiators, who intend to keep major settlement blocks in the West Bank and Jerusalem as an undivided capital. (Israel demonstrated some concern for Mr. Abbas himself yesterday, by agreeing to allow weapons to be transferred to his personal guards, Reuters reported. Growing violence between his supporters and Hamas has fuelled fears that Mr. Abbas may be targeted, according to Israeli spokesmen.) -snip Behind closed doors: the prisoners' document RAMALLAH. The 18-point document that may pull the Palestinian Authority out of a quagmire of political division and street violence was sketched out behind the walls and barbed wire of an Israeli prison. -snip-. The proposal does not specifically renounce violence, instead affirming Palestinians' "right to resistance" concentrated in the occupied territories. But, significantly, the document is a public endorsement of a two-state solution signed by a senior Hamas leader. Hamas is under heavy international pressure to renounce violence, abide by previous peace agreements and recognize Israel's right to exist, conditions that have brought about the economic blockade of its government.

Thats because most people don't know that much about the masons, as with the Bilderbergers, if they don't know anything, they make it up as they go along. Freemasonry today for the most part, is a fraternal org. for men, most of whom are involved in charity work. Nothing nefarious about it, heck we even go to their dances now and then (with friends) don't see any dead chickens or goats there either. - Kerry was a Skull and Bones man too, but so what, just another men's frat.

So why does their leader keep repeating that he wants to destroy Israel ?

That goes for Canada too, (not to hijack the thread or start anything) but surely you must feel that applies to Canada's apartheid system too. Israel, concluded the judges, was justified in closing the doors to residency for all Palestinians in order to block the entry of those few who might use marriage as a way to launch terror attacks. Not sure that this is justification though for banning such marriages - surely they could do security checks etc.

I thought this article from Australia was appropriate for this thread, didn't want to start another thread. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story...6-21223,00.html 'Connectedness' to land ties Aborigines to squalor May 25, 2006 DAVID Brooks (Letters, 24/5) might be right about Aboriginal "connectedness" to places of spiritual, historical, personal and group significance, just as Anglo-Celtic culture once had connectedness to Stonehenge, witchcraft and tribal lore. But we moved on to something better – a rational, scientific culture based on the rule of law that gave us longer, safer, healthier and more enjoyable lives. People like Mr Brooks are consistently contradictory, arguing on the one hand that Aborigines must reject urban life to preserve the immense value of their culture, and on the other that white culture must provide all the benefits of urban life to them wherever they choose to live. But no one can have their cake and eat it too. The benefits of modern life require personal responsibility, education and participation in the job market, not victim-hood, tribal custom, welfare dependency and a belief that personal identity and dignity are dependent on connectedness to one's tribe, land and ancestors, rather than on one's personal choices and actions. John Dawson McKinnon, Vic

Exactly, they've been spinning and distorting issues for too long. I don't blame Harper for what he's doing, although at some point he's going to have to be a bit more flexible I think. In a general sense this sort of thing (biased media pretending not to be biased has been going on since the invention of the printing press. The media, who like to describe themselves as 'unbiased observers' providing 'neutral' information are anything but. All opinions, and all persons rendering opinion are biased by past experience, even the question being asked introduces some element of skew. We as citizens of Canada have, for too long bought into this lie that our media are unbiased observers. The evidence has always been that they have a decidedly liberal, anti-individual, collectivist - the government-knows-best bent. Maybe now, Canadians are thumbing their nose at the press too, witness the recent polling figures.

As Robin Williams said, we are cousins separated at birth.

Came across an interesting site , havn't gone through it all yet. http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/categor...justice-system/

Talking about the media: Prime minister wins kudos for battle with media http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/st...2f394c2&k=63164 May 25, 2006 Prime Minister Stephen Harper is rallying his party's so-called "base" of right-wing activists by waging a high-profile battle with the national media, says a party member who runs a website for social and fiscal small-c conservatives. "My sense is that conservatives are getting a great deal of satisfaction out of watching Harper put the boots to the press gallery," said Connie Wilkins, vice-president of the Kingston and the Islands riding Association. "And, when journalists shoot back with articles about his weight, or the kind of car he drives, conservatives just want to see him kick them harder." Wilkins, who failed in her bid last year to get the party to support an anti-abortion motion, runs a website with her husband called Free Dominion. She said most of her like-minded conservative friends and associates have long believed the so-called MSM - mainstream media - are hostile to their agenda.

Well, hopefully the next gov't will be a CPC majority, and I do my bit honest

Sheez, its obviously not so secret if everyone knows about the meeting. As far as I'm concerned, its a group of business people who get together to discuss world business, and eventually, anybody who's anybody will eventually be invited. The only nefarious thing about it, is that which conspiracy theorists like to make up. Then againk maybe the Bilderbergers are in league with the people who covered up the Roswell UFO landing - Do you think the Bilderberger hotel serves burger burghers . BTW Pierre Trudea was a Bilderberger too.

A lot of retired folks would be living in Florida

I think you are right that it wasn't 'archectural' at first, but it did become an opportunity for the media to distort and smear the Bush admin. They used the disaster as a political tool, and we know now, made a lot of it up as they went along. Bush bashing in the extreme, their prejudice against the Bush administration clearly caused them to to turn facts into fictional events. More clearly, it was old fashined liberal media bias and partisian politics - in the extreme.

Being Held Hostage By Terrorists Source of Information: -Merriam - Webster's Dictionary - American Heritage Dictionary of English Language 3 Entries Found for Terrorism 1) The Unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or and organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments. Often for ideological or political reasons 2) Violent and Intimidating gang activity. 3) The calculated use of Violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature: this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear. So what is the gov't waiting for?

I agree with you that it is a form terrorism. A normally peaceful town has been burning through tires, a van and bridges set on fire, and a road was damaged Looting the Henco office on April 20 not mention rocks thrown from by-pass bridge, and vandalizing hydro transfofrmers. from the caledonia.a website Dear Sir, I guess it is fair to say the Rule of Law does not apply in native land disputes. How can the McGuinty government justify selective policing based on race? What happened to the demonstrators in Burlington compared to the activities of the native protestors in Caledonia is shameful. The McGuinty government and the OPP are discriminatory and racist against innocent citizens of this province. The perpetrators of crime, no matter what ethnic background, must be held accountable under the law, irregardless of the circumstances that prompted the offense. Society cannot withstand selective policing based on an accident of birth. The whole fabric of the law is being unraveled as we sit back and watch the chaos at Caledonia. Ipperwash has been under this policy for over a decade. Enough is Enough. Respectfully Submitted, Ipperwash Beach, Lambton Shores Ont.

I guess everyone missed this one while getting their knickers in a knot ofer the NP article. Iran Test-Fires Long-Range Missile May 23, 2006 Jerusalem Post Iran conducted a test launch Tuesday night of the Shihab-3 intermediate-range ballistic missile, which is capable of reaching Israel and US targets in the region, Israel Radio reported. The test came hours before Prime Minister Ehud Olmert met with US President George W Bush in Washington to discuss the Iranian threat. Military officials said it was not clear if this most recent test indicated an advance in the capabilities of the Shihab 3. They said the test was likely timed to coincide with the Washington summit and with comments made by Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah during celebrations in Beirut marking the 6th anniversary of Israel's withdrawal from southern Lebanon. THE IRANIAN THREAT "What deters the enemy from launching an aggression is the resistance's continuous readiness to respond," Nasrallah told scores of supporters. "Northern Israel today is within the range of the resistance's rockets. The ports, bases, factories and everything is within that range." The Shihab test was only "partly successful," according to news reports. The nature of the difficulties was not clear. The Iranians have been working to extend the Shihab 3's current maximum range of 1,300 kilometers. A year ago, they successfully tested a solid fuel motor for the missile. In December, Israel's defense against an Iranian ballistic missile strike, the Arrow 2 missile system, succeeded in intercepting an incoming rocket simulating an Iranian Shihab 3 at an altitude higher than in the previous 13 exercises. Maj. Elyakim, commander of the Arrow missile battery at Palmahim, told The Jerusalem Post last month that the missile crews were always on high alert, but that they were recently instructed to "raise their level of awareness" because of developments on the Iranian front. The Arrow missile, he said, could intercept and destroy any Iranian missile fired at Israel, including ones carrying non-conventional warheads. Experts believe that if Iran is attacked by Israel or the US, Teheran would respond by firing long-range ballistic missiles at Israel. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid...icle%2FShowFull ------------------------------------------------- http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HE24Ak05.html Iran deploys its war machine By Iason Athanasiadis TEHRAN - For Hossein Shariatzadeh, a veteran of the eight-year Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s, now navigating Tehran's traffic-choked streets as a taxi driver, the issue of whether the United States will strike Iraq is hardly a frightening prospect. "This is Iran," he roared. "It is fire. It is a nuclear bomb. Don't look at my sitting behind the wheel of this car. I would get up in a second and head off to the front to fight." During his 18 months of service at the front, Shariatzadeh claims to have fought in several flashpoint events. Before being evacuated to Tehran after taking a bullet in the stomach, he participated in the 18th Mah, Fath-ul Mubin and Fajrs 1, 2 and 4 offensives, some of the most horrific campaigns of a drawn-out war

Media reporting. Harper may be onto something, better lock them out then have them give out disinformation. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/..._storm.htmlMedi The Media's Imperfect Storm By Jonah Goldberg -snip- That's certainly fair, given that the bar is set pretty low for what constitutes fair in American politics these days. But it is worth reminding people that the Katrina they think they remember wasn't the Katrina that actually took place. In fact, it is difficult to think of a bigger media scandal in my lifetime than the fraudulently inaccurate coverage of Hurricane Katrina. Where to begin? As I've written before, virtually all of the gripping stories from Katrina were untrue. All of those stories about, in Paula Zahn's words, "bands of rapists, going block to block"? Not true. The tales of snipers firing on medevac helicopters? Bogus. The yarns, peddled on "Oprah" by New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin and the New Orleans police chief, that "little babies" were getting raped in the Superdome and that the bodies of the murdered were piling up? Completely false. The stories about poor blacks dying in comparatively huge numbers because American society "left them behind"? Nah-ah. While most outlets took Nagin's estimate of 10,000 dead at face value, Editor and Publisher - the watchdog of the media - ran the headline, "Mortuary Director Tells Local Paper 40,000 Could Be Lost in Hurricane." In all of Louisiana, not just New Orleans, the total dead from Katrina was roughly 1,500. Blacks did not die disproportionately, nor did the poor. The only group truly singled out in terms of mortality was the elderly. According to a Knight-Ridder study, while only 15 percent of the population of New Orleans was over the age of 60, some 74 percent of the dead were 60 or older, and almost half were older than 75. Blacks were, if anything, slightly underrepresented among the dead given their share of the population. This barely captures how badly the press bungled Katrina coverage. Keep in mind

Thats funny, I was just going to post it from here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/...fect_storm.html Think I'll start another thread.