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Wow, over the top hyperbole or what... prove that one... and let me know when Harper starts murdering millions.

Right the left is screaming about robo calls subverting the election process but they are doing the same thing with a one click website, designed specifically to generate and flood E.C. with robo hits. Hypocrites.

Prove with evidence and facts that the Liberals lost one seat due to robo calling. How many people have actually said they didn't vote because of it !

You won't see CBC talking about this, and that left wing 'Canadian site' is run by Ian Capstick and Judy Rebick - nuff said about that manipulation of democracy

Exactly. And now we have two websites, one foreign one a left wing Canadian site run by that creepy little NDP twit,Ian Capstick, who's often on Evan Slitherin's Power and Politics tv show. Just knowing that would make any right thinking person suspicious now. His website is using automated complaints to flood E.C. with robo calls in order to up the ante, and make it appear there are more complaints. One click robot complaints, now that's manipulating democracy also.

Really, then you close your eyes to any other possibilities All this guy did was crunch the numbers, if you disagree with them or think they are wrong, then prove it, the source is immaterial.

Good question, don't know, but it would depend on exactly what they did, meaning that if it was the party itself who organized and condoned something, and what the other parties platforms are then. It would also hinge on facts and not supposition and it not being just a couple of supporters. I'm not sure I could hold my nose and vote for the Liberals, and the NDP are out of the question. If there was an independent running I'd probably park my vote there. So far out all of this hyperbole and umpteen pages, there's nothing, zilch nada of any evidence pointing to the party. Can anyone say how many voters actually didn't vote because of this, not to mention that the two ridings in question Guelph and Northbay were won by the opposition.

Exactly, so why would they do something like this, not only doing it, but pointing phone numbers back to themselves.. really who has the most to gain from this and not much to lose !!

Well this blogger has a smoking gun - so put your tinfoil hats on and chew on this one, or start connecting the dots LOL http://paulsrants-paulsstuff.blogspot.com/2012/03/does-media-want-real-robocall.html : "Now with the new information on the throw away phone and the phone number got me thinking new questions. Where was Michael Ignatieff's campaign team on April 30 the day that the phone was activated? Surprise surprise he was in Guelph. Then came the question was he ever in Joliette where I take from the reports that the phone was purchased? Turns out on the 28th they were in Québec city and then traveled down to Montréal. Now I'm not sure if they stopped in Joliette but they passed right by." Now as far as I can tell, Ignatieff was in Guelph the morning of May 1st for a campaign stop. He was in the area the day before, making a campaign stop in Paris Ontario on the 30th. It's plausible Ignatieff's campaign team stayed overnight in Guelph, or would have been nearby when the phone got activated. As Conservative supporters also claimed to have received misleading phone calls, so much so the the riding association took action to ensure those supporting the party had the right polling booth info, some things seem to line up here. Could be nothing. Probably is. Then again it hasn't stopped the opposition from finding the PM guilty already without a shred of evidence. So have at it media conspiracy fanatics.

Just as we know that there is not one shred of evidence linking the party to any of it, but keep on pushing it... but - oh wait where was Ignatieff's team that day - hmmm in Guelph you say - how's that for a conspiracy theory.

I think it's been clear that no one agrees with electoral fraud. All the 'right' is saying now, is there is no hard evidence and that Harper and other MPs were not aware of it.

That's so true, the CPC is totally guilty in the eyes of the left before any trial or evidence is presented. Even if proven innocent eventually, they will still insist it happened and use it in their next attack ads. They took hold of the narrative and are continuing with their weaving - or 'cross stitching'

No surprise there, they are still peeing their pants at the thought of an election .... it's in their best interest to keep this going, even in the face of no hard evidence. Hmmm who really does stand to gain from all of this.

Sure, but maybe the get a better deal from the U.S., who knows.

Exactly, it makes no sense

Cos you know how it goes - America bad ergo anyone using anything American is - bad and evil, they where just trying to throw that concept back at those who generally subscribe to that theory. But really, why on earth would someone up to nefarious tricks actually make the call look as if it came from the Conservatives - that doesn't make sense if it's a conservative doing it.

I'm in Florida, don't have a Canadian satellite.. I'm listening to some Canadian news on the computer right now..

They are investigating I believe, but this has absolutely nothing to do with the robo calls, it's a different issue, one that should be looked at. Having said that, I've worked in returning offices and on advance and regular polls, 'd be surprised if it happened to that extent. We did have a case of one person voting twice who was found and dealt with, but to the extent that he's alleging, I doubt it.

Sheez, and here I always thought it was organ of the Liberal party LOL

I don't follow twitter and don't have Canadian TV right now, so, is it you saying that or can you provide a link or source.

Is that just you saying that, or is there something reported on it.

How so, link ? http://www.newstalk1010.com/NationalCP/Article.aspx?id=324323 OTTAWA - The Conservative party says it didn't use U.S.-based call services to get out the vote in the May election, but the Liberals did. The Tories say that means they can't be behind allegations of harassing phone calls originating from American area codes during the last campaign, but maybe the Liberals were. Many people have reported receiving strange calls — some from American numbers — during the May election that either misled them about polling stations or came at odd hours. Elections Canada is investigating the origin of calls made in the riding of Guelph, but a stream of people from other ridings are also complaining about suspect calls. Several can reportedly be traced to U.S. numbers. "The Conservatives only use call centres based in Canada," said party spokesman Fred DeLorey. He said the onus is in the Liberals to prove the calls aren't connected to the dozens of contracts that party has with its own calling firms. In question period, Prime Minister Stephen Harper challenged Interim Liberal Leader Bob Rae to produce his evidence about the robocall accusations. "We've done some checking," Harper said. "We've only found that, in fact, it was the Liberal party that did source its phone calls from the United States. cont.. at link

Considering this thread hasn't come up with any evidence at all that the Harper or the party itself was involved, I'll post this to add some balance, along with with the assertion that this is now turning into a well financed highly organized attempt to overthrow the gov't. As far L. Martin goes, I see no point to reading him anymore. You all need to take a breath and go over what you actually have.. http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/02/28/whos-calling-the-conservatives/ Have we been accused of being aggressive and rough-and-tumble in the past? Of course. Did we go after Liberal leaders with everything we had? You bet. But did the campaign organize a widespread voter suppression exercise in the 2011 campaign? No way. And yet, in a matter of only a few days, we’ve gotten to a place where any misleading or erroneous call by a campaign or individual anywhere in the country during 2011 federal election is being treated as the work of Conservative masterminds. But some things don’t add up. There seem to be three sets of allegations being made: 1. specific allegations about riding-level activity—mostly in the Guelph area—in which seemingly misleading information went out to voters in a very targeted way; 2. complaints from voters in several ridings who got some sort of notification that their polling station had changed in the waning days or hours of the campaign; 3. vague allegations of harassing phone calls from opposition campaigns (mostly Liberal campaigns in Toronto). On the first point, the only information I have is what I have read in the media. It appears that Elections Canada is investigating, and that a campaign aide has resigned. This leads me to believe that something was definitely amiss in Guelph; if that’s true, I hope those responsible are caught. Goodness knows Elections Canada will let us know of progress, either through official channels or through Postmedia, as it is wont to do. On the second point, things get tougher. The allegation seems to be that we organized a widespread campaign to confuse Liberal voters into going to the wrong place, and thus get them to give up on voting altogether. The Toronto Star cites three call centre “whistleblowers” who seemed to have known on election day that they were directing people to the wrong voting stations. Of course, in the same breathless article, the three call centre employees also report that: call centre employees sometimes changed scripts on their own, without the knowledge of their superiors or the party; the callers were clearly instructed to identify themselves as representatives of the “Conservative Party of Canada;” some of their co-workers decided on their own to falsely say they were calling from Elections Canada. To sum up, then, the allegation is that the Conservative Party used its official call centre to attempt to misdirect non-CPC voters to polling stations across town, while telling them the Conservative party is responsible for the message. As a strategy, it seems preposterous. It just doesn’t make any sense. cont...

Is it, does E.C. make Robo calls about it, or do they just notify the R.O. who has to see the changes get out. And yes, they put it in the paper, but not everyone reads it, so it is part of the campaign office's job to see that their voters know where to vote.

Right, many of them only read the misleading headlines, then if they do read further they buy into the hype and speculation. To hell with facts...