French Patriot

Many associate Judaism and their myths to the Egyptians as well. Regards DL

That is not true. Both Christianity and Islam end in killing all who do not believe as they do. Christianity does so when Jesus returns and Islam whenever they create their Kalifate. Two religions with the same fascist DNA. Without lies, neither religion would exist. Regards DL

Love of the good will do that. Your interlocutors, and mine, only see the evil because they call their evil god good and cannot tell good from evil. Regards DL

??? You want the world to have more genocidal bastards running around do you? Regards DL

I did not know that we had a right to be think in %^&^^&* ways or immoral ways. Who is enforcing that right? That hardly seem like living by the Golden Rule. It is more like ignoring it. No? For evil to grow and all that, and to think in %^&^^&* ways or immoral ways is evil. Right? Regards DL

Have you accepted that a genocidal and infanticidal god is an evil god. Have you rebelled, as I have, against the notion that such a satanic prick is good? If not, why not? As to A & E, they did not have brilliant minds that were capable of choice till after they ate of the knowledge that showed them what good and evil were. Right? Remember that before they learned, they were too stupid to even know they were naked or how to reproduce. They were as bright as bricks. Right? Regards DL

No. I said your line. Not the links line. "Here is my answer to the OP, straightforward and simple, and to you as well Michael Hardener. " I have seen that clip before. You might have noted that the first thing Moses did, almost, law wise, was murder, what was it, 3,000 Jews? " The will to progress... stems from your criminality." I have said that I have a criminal mind and delinquent personality, so I may not be the best judge of your thinking, but let me disagree till I know for sure. I have broken rules to challenge them and progress my country in it's poor laws. I do not think the impetuous came from my criminality or criminal mind. It came, I think, from pure hate against what I saw as harming my country. IOWs. The love for my country created a hate against what I saw as jeopardizing that which I loved. Straight criminality is greed. Vigilantism, which is the issue here, is not greed. It is a love and desire for justice. Thoughts? Regards DL

No it is not. To choose wisely, one must have some idea of what they are choosing. Right? A & E could not know if they were doing good or evil when they had yet to have or gain any knowledge of what was good or evil. For all they could know, the serpent was good and god was evil. Right? His nature is genocidal and infanticidal. Are those good traits to you? Do you think that other with a genocidal trait are good? Hitler and his ilk. Regards DL

Not quite that simple, given that you might be getting ready to sing that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to god's plan. That first line of yours is garbage and a lie. Right? As to being doomed. That is not controlled by our sins. It is controlled by god who chooses whose heart he will harden against him and who he will save. We have no choice or free will in this. Here are the appropriate verses. ---------------- Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design? Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link. h ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHYeHN4ZUQ Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us. The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures. If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith? Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm? Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please? I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed. Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did. What is your choice of those two options? Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars. I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians. What do you think is the truth? Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe? Regards DL

You show dualistic thinking. Did god not even create the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Who did? Who is god's co-creator? Who created good? Regards DL

I fail to see an answer. Care to elaborate on what you want to show? Regards DL

LOL. Your hint is foolish. The oldest shrine I know of is over 60,000 years old. When was cash invented? Regards DL

I think it is natural, just as it is natural for us to wish to be the fittest humans. We just went stupid in giving our god stupid and overblown attributes. We gave our gods such big dicks that all they can now do is beat us with them. We have to change to thinking of gods as ---- Regards DL

Yep. God always has to have the biggest dick. Unfortunately, the mainstream god are moral midgets with genocidal dicks. We can do a lot better with our inventions. Regards DL

….may also be natural. If not, what does this mean? Regards DL

?? Why? What is wrong with settling for the fittest human? All animals follow their fittest. Why do we need to invent a fantasy character we can never emulate? Regards DL

I agree that all should read the bible. The more that do, the fewer Christians there will be. The early church knew that and that is why they murdered so many for reading it or just having it. Be proud of your murdering heritage. Regards DL

You would lose that bet. I like order. Strange that you would think evil to be necessary, yet not think it good. Regards DL

Yes we did. Prove me wrong. Regards DL

Are you a believer, and why are you denying the WORD of god? God first used Satan in Eden to tempt Eve. What chastisement did she need? What had she done that was evil before being tempted. If A & E had not eaten of the tree, they would have remained with their moral eyes closed and too stupid to reproduce. None of us would be here. If Adam sinned, it was as you sing in your Exultet hymn, a happy fault and necessary to god's plan. If necessary to god's plan, would you sin as Adam did, or would you derail god's plan? Regards DL

God created evil for his pleasure. Do you recognize the pleasure of creating and doing evil? Rev 4;11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Some people have what has been termed, the problem of evil. Many cannot fathom why, if god is good, he would create evil. Yet the scriptures are clear that god created evil for his pleasure. It may be due to my criminal mind and delinquent attitude, but I think I know why. I wondered if you ands others had also dithered out a reasonable answer to show why sin and evil are required for god’s plan and our mental and moral development. This fact is likely why the ancient Christians determined that sin was necessary for our development. They sing that Adam furthered god’s plan by his sin. To them, even as Christianity and I clash, and the intelligent position, is that to not sin or do evil, is to derail god’s plan. In this, issue, I happen to agree with the scriptures and Christians who say the sin and evil is good and necessary to god’s plan. Do you? Regards DL

I hear you, but repentance comes before forgiveness. Repentance also includes restitution to the offended and we have yet to feel guilty enough to even acknowledge the harm we are doing. We have yet to repent ands should hate ourselves for not doing so and act to reform before forgiving ourselves. Regards DL

If we do not turn our love of self to our hate of self, we are bound for our near extinction. Science has shown that the good in us, our love side, is dominating us via our selfish gene. Science is also showing us that we are in a major extinction event that may well include a vast number of people. I doubt that our full extinction will come to pass, but we will be reduced to such small numbers that we will likely revert to a less sophisticated system and city states. If we do not turn our swords into plows, and devastate the worlds populations with war, our environment will do the deed and near extinct us. We love our governments and gods. That is why we have let them bring us to the brink of extinction. We follow them so closely that we all have our heads stuck into the ground. I think, given the incompetence of all governments and gods; we should let our great love for what leads us and turn it to hate, as we should, to insure the survival of people right here and right now. Start to hate the systems that got us all to this pitiful place in time. We presently elect our incompetent governments and gods for a variety of reasons. We are all tribal and belong to a religious tribe or a government tribe. We all follow their ideologies, theologies or philosophies. We are all the same in this. Surely, given that we are basically all humans, who wish to love more than hate, can hate those things that are putting us all in peril long enough to do something about our head long leap to near extinction. The environment is under political control and they are killing our bodies. Our bodies harbor our souls to the physical world where our children live. I think it is time for a god to take over. I don’t care if it is a pedophile protecting Pope or a united Christianity, or newly elected Khalif of a newly united Islam, but a god must step up, as our political side has failed humankind completely. Our politicians are not uniting the world and should be made to step down so that some form of religious system, chosen by the masses, so that we can try uniting under a newly elected god. Jesus prophesied that that would become a necessity, and so did Socrates before him. Both were right in thinking that such a system would be the best possible end for political theories. I urge the vast majority of the world, the religious, to have a final battle in the ongoing god wars, which involves our political gods as well. Let their hate out by debate and elect a new god of peace so that our current incompetent batch of leaders might find the best one. My love of the religious has let loose my hate against our incompetent political leadership and I think we all should, elect a new god and save us from our own near extinction. We have the means; do we have the will? Regards DL

As a P.S. I am a Gnostic Christian and am proud to say so. I would never call myself a Catholic, even though born into it, nor a Christian as that would class me with those who follow a genocidal Yahweh/Jesus and promote a homophobic and misogynous religion. You seem to make to much sense to carry such a vile epithet. Regards DL

Be good to others, we mostly are, but given that we aere evolving creatures who still seek to be the fittest, the cooperation and good will not be what the loser feels when we compete and he loses. Take competition out of what we do and our evolution stalls and we will go extinct. I think it best to bite the bullet with the losers and continue to accept the small evil in the greater good of our continuing evolution. We are all called by our instincts to compete but most do not hear the call, so the damage is easily mitigated these days. Regards DL