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Yet I quote the bible as required. Go away you stupid piece of human garbage and take your genocidal prick with you. Regards DL

Only really misguided and stupid people think they can know something as a certainty for an imaginary supernatural genocidal prick of a god. Even i the prick you pray to were real, I would reject his genocidal ass. So will all moral people. I see that morality is not your forte, or interest. Regards DL

Made in God’s image. Yuk. Not me thanks. Yahweh, it is written, created us in his image. He is described as a vile genocidal and infanticidal god, a demiurge to us Gnostics Christians, and is responsible for a religion that has become homophobic and misogynous and who grew Christianity by inquisitions and murder. This is not surprising given that so many of Christianity’s moral tenets are immoral. Christianity lacks moral tenets with which to convert. It takes pressure and force to believe the weird Christian take on the otherwise decent Jewish beginnings of their religion and god. Christians should have usurped some decent god as without Midrash, Yahweh is more like an evil Satan than a good god. If you think you are created in Yahweh’s image, and able to do his evil and good deeds, are you happy about it? If you do not think you are up to Yahweh’s evil ways, are you happy about it? Regards DL

They are not thinly veiled, --- and if you have not seen the better Christianity that is in Gnostic Christianity, ---you show lack of a moral sense. Regards DL

Ignoring your other rant for now. This quoted bit was too ignorant of reality to ignore. I see Jews playing the exact part they were written to do to insure that Jesus had his chance to test and fail the messiah myth. The Jews took the death on their heads. Supplied the traitor/most trusted fried to betray Jesus, etc. You ae trying to take the Jewishness of the myth out of the story. It was likely written to end literal belief in the supernatural. Jesus was a mystic. Not a literalist fool. Regards DL

No. You are to obtuse to even read your bible. Faith is not wanting to know the truth. Regards DL

Look in your own bible. I gave the dictionary and logic of the sop being a seal between Judas and Jesus. The other apostles knew of it and that is why not a one of them lifted a finger to stop Judas. Jesus asked Judas to do his bidding quickly, and Judas did as Jesus bid him do. https://biblehub.com/john/13-26.htm Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. You really should read the story at least once. It is really stupid to say freely, then write of a condition. Stop trying to make Jesus into a moral monster. His morals are likely better than yours. Regards DL

Because the bible blames humans unjustly. Regards DL

What makes you think Yahweh will not be able to do what he wills, and save us all? Regards DL

I agree,but not because of them mythicizing Jesus. More because they have literalized the myth of Jesus. The ancient Christians would have laughed their heads off if they would have known how dumbed down the church would make their sheeple. Regards DL

Already explained by the dictionary and my post. Accept it or not. It is in your own bible. Just as the other apostles sitting back and doing nothing while Judas when to do his duty to Jesus. Regards DL

It was indeed because of his nature that Jesus chose him, unless you think Jesus was apoor judge3 of character and would make mistakes. As to Judas' untrustworthiness, get the quotes that make you think this. Freely??? No. You have to show that you are immoral enough to accept you abdicating your responsibility for your own actions. On Jesus dying for you. It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for you, after condemning you unjustly in the first place. You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card. It is a lie, first and foremost because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral. You also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people. Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin. Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: There is no way that you would teach your children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are doing just that. Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fibre as Yahweh. Regards DL

Just before Jesus tells Judas to do what he is to do quickly. Regards DL

Sorry I was bus6y, but seeing your attitude, bite me you pathetic piece of human garbage. Regards DL

Gen 3 or 2.. Before Yahweh says that their eyes were opened by consuming the knowledge of all things good and or evil and becoming like gods in the knowing of good and evil. It is the shortest of the stories and easy to follow, when one reads what is written and not what one wants to read. Regards DL

Is the knowledge of good and evil, good or evil? For you, me, and Adam to answer this question; we need the knowledge of good and evil. Adam may have needed what he was denied by Yahweh to know if the tree of the knowledge of all things, is good or evil to eat from. As scriptures say, he was mentally and morally blind without it. You and I cannot see any better than Adam could when our mental eyes are blind on issues and without knowledge of them. It seems that Yahweh put Adam in a catch 22. Damned to being mentally blind and as bright as a brick and unable to reproduce or condemned to death if he educated himself. Regards DL

What claim? Regards DL

Is Yahweh breaking an objective moral tenet? I have found few examples of an objective moral tenet but think that, --- the good of the many, outweighs the good of the few, --- to be an objective moral tenet. It seems correct in all situations. You might disagree with an example where this tenet is not objective or applicable. Yahweh seems to put the good of the few ahead of the good of the many. Scriptures indicate that the many will end in hell while the few will end in heaven. In thinking of this, I also thought that Yahweh was breaking another moral tenet by putting his life above his own child’s. He sent Jesus to die instead of stepping up himself, to appease his own wrath against man. Should fathers put themselves and their lives above their children’s, or should fathers protect their children at all costs? I know that few like to answer moral questions as we all have a bit of moral coward in us. Do try to answer both of my questions please. Regards DL

Not true. Especially given that I made no such claim. It is to the one who makes a claim to prove it worthy of belief. You offer a reverse onus which is just another form of logical fallacy. Seems you did learn a bit from that link. Regards DL

No. That is just an unjustifiable statement and provable lie. The fallacy would be saying that god did not give us rights. This link should be all you need. Basically, positive can be proven while negative cannot be proven. Regards DL

Ask the atheists here. The women will likely mention misogyny and the men might mention gays. Regards DL

I don't care how authentic it is as this is the book Christians are using. I know that it is a plagiarized and translation of another translation. That makes no difference to literalists readers whom I target when using literal themes. Red herring. There is no such thing as all when speaking of diverse groups of people. Jews go from atheist to brain dead literalists. I could and perhaps should have said the moral Jews. Is that your Christian belief that you have been taught to blame "all the Jews" for repeatedly trying to kill Jesus, bad-mouthing God, and anything else? I am not a Christian. Are you denying that Jesus had to run from Jews more than once because they threatened to stone him? Then you be fool. As to this "Next, don't ask questions if your true intent is to proselytize, its dishonest. If your true agenda is to preach don't pose as wanting discussion and if you preach group smears against Jews I will challenge you." I go wherever the talk takes me. As to all this personal garbage. Don't do it again. Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Regards DL

Yes, and which Jesus nor Yahweh live by. If you know what god is all about, why do you run from discussing his moral tenets with me? I keep asking, and you keep running. Grow some balls and we can chat to an end game instead of the garbage you like to delve into, mythos, which has no end game because all you have are lies and speculative nonsense as you cannot prove of justify anything. I like how you brag, to yourself. Try earning the kudos your give yourself. Regards DL

Oh they left Yahweh as supernatural, genocidal and infanticidal. Christians and Muslims have just ignore Midrash, which is a must if you are to understand Judaism. Hence the quote in my last post on not reading myths literally. I agree. All the gods are man made. 80! I know of about 6 son's of gods that died for us. Your reading is more extensive than mine. Way to go. True. That stupidity came later, as you say, thanks to Constantine. Hell no. The opposite in fact. The right is wrong, to the point of ridicule, and the left is right. I preach for better than both by showing Gnostic Christian thinking and morals. You have seen me try to have Christians engage in moral discussions and you have also seen them run for the hills every time. Not because I have the best arguments but because they cannot even argue against bad arguments. I like an old comedians definition of truth and reality. Truth is a collective hunch. Thanks for your informative post. You have gone into mode, it seems. Have you looked into the Jewish esoteric/mystical sects? Do they still exist as kabbalists or by some other designation? Regards DL

Exactly what I did. If you read the last super, and understand what a sop is and how it is an honor to be first chosen to get one, you will agree with me. That or the other apostles were either stupid or something else for doing nothing while knowing that Judas was about to do. Your choice. You likely read ok but do not seem to understand what you are reading. Would you have sat there and done nothing if you were an apostle? Regards DL