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  1. I feel the same way on organized religions. I do see some value in local churches thanks to the good social work that some do but to kowtow to some far away regime is foolish. All they want is cash and slaved adherents as is quite apparent with the Popes latest appeal for adherents and their cash. Regards DL
  2. Credit earned is credit due buddy. Take a bow. In morality, science helps us understand why we must sin to survive. Apologies for the length of what follow. Eve was correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God. It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin. 1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. This indicates that Jesus had no choice. If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate? God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan. This then begs the question. What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to? Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who. The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality. One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men. ------------------------ Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”. That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy." But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem. If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong. Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility. Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution. Consider. First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created. Evil then is only human to human. As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate. Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times. Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct. This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well. Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us. There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition. ----------------------- Evolutionary theology. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXOvYn1OAL0&list=UUDXjzOeZRqLxhYaaEhWLb_A&index=9 J W is indeed Jehovah Witness. They reproduced for sure, but the J W analogy is a good one and if God had not locked away the tree of life, A & E would not have died. A shame you do not recognize that as murder as that is what it is for the J W withhold blood. Only a double moral standard would have us condemn man for that while not condemning God for the same basic act. Regards DL
  3. The other speaks to punishment for A & E. This one has other issues. I hear you. It starts to sound like a set up to me as well. No to all ?s and I agree with the rest. I do not agree with this bit. I agree that as natural animals we do indeed have the ability to sin. I do not think we can evolve properly without sinning, in the sense that we must compete and thus create victims/losers who would think evil has befallen them. But spiritually and intellectually, without the knowledge of good and evil, we would not have a moral sense and would be legally under the rule of mens rea which states that without evil intent, no one can be convicted of a crime/sin. Think of the J W blood transfusion trials where parents were charged with murder when they denied blood transfusions to their children who died from that neglect. They were found guilty. In the bible, God is shown to also kill A & E by neglect when he to denied his new children what would have kept them alive. The tree of life is analogous in this cas to the J W blood transfusion. Do you think that the term murder by neglect applies here to God? Regards DL P.S. Even if you do not agree, good to meet a thinking mind.
  4. Who fell in Eden? Man or God? Christians see a fall for man in Eden while the Jews see it as where man was elevated. I see it as where, thanks to God’s murder by neglect of Adam and Eve, as where God fell. Adam and Eve would have lived much longer if God had not locked away the tree of life. Common sense from a simple reading of Genesis, where man’s eyes were open, knowing oneself as naked as Gods and developing a moral sense, tells us that it would be seen as good for man and not a fall. They have become as Gods in the knowing of good and evil. I see a clear rise for improved man and a fall for a murdering God. Do you see as the Jews do, Original Virtue, --- or as Christians do, Original Sin, or as I do with God bringing death to earth with Original Murder? Regards DL
  5. That is what you are doing and you show how poorly you think. Regards DL
  6. Correct. Yet God can cure instead of kill but always chooses the satanic moral ground and kills instead of cures. I suppose, to you, God torturing King David's baby for 6 days before finally murdering it is ok. Right? You likely do not see that your beliefs have corrupted your moral sense. The S.S. were like you with Hitler. Regards DL
  7. I was not whitewashing any nation including Canada. I was just pointing out that the leader of the free world is not walking it's talk as well as others. If you ever have a chance to watch Sicko, you will see what I mean. Regards DL
  8. There is no argument on your last and yes, the public is allowing corporations and governments way too much leeway. A lot of the negatives you see are from The U.S. and not so much the rest of the West that seems to walk their talk better than Americans. Just the horrendous jail stats for non-whites in the U.S. tell us quite a bit. You might have noted that even though Trump did not sign the last environmental accord, that many mayors and companies in the U.S. are ignoring that stooge and putting environmental programs in place in spite of him. The fact that the next generation seem brighter and more left wing than the current voters, give me hope for the U.S. Regards DL
  9. Evil is indeed subjective, but improvements in the stats, which you do not seem to have looked at, do not objectively nor subjectively lie. Regards DL
  10. U C wrong on two points. One, the vast majority still claim religious affiliation and two, you are ignoring the best stats for evil markers that the world has ever enjoyed. Some of those are spoken of near the end of this link which speaks of our improving morality. Regards DL
  11. Should the religious world thank the secular world for improving older religious law to the level of excellence we now enjoy? If we grade secular law against theistic laws, I think we will agree that God’s laws are unjust when compared to the laws of most lands. Three cheers for secular world and the world’s intelligentsia. They are the Gnostics of the world and their just laws prove it. Regards DL
  12. Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable? Christian dogma says that Adam and Eve were murdered by neglect when God locked away the tree of life. Eve was deceived by Satan and the talking serpent that God put in Eden. This caused the Original Sin concept that Christianity calls a happy fault and necessary to God’s plan. Was gaining an education and a moral sense, which basically is what gaining knowledge is, justifiable to you? Can you see yourself punishing your children for gaining an education and a moral sense the way God is punishing Adam and Eve to this day? Regards DL
  13. Ah, the justification for Inquisitions. Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways. Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations. Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality. https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Do you agree? You are using bully tactics because you have no moral arguments. Regards DL
  14. Stupid id as stupid does and you believe in the supernatural. Need I say more? Regards DL
  15. More of your lies. You go ahead with your religion, and wonder why your follow a genocidal son murdering prick of a God. Regards DL
  16. Try your garbage again and we are done. How old are you and start acting your age. Can you still be educated or are you too brain dead? Regards DL
  17. I answered elsewhere. If you are just to tell me what I believe instead of asking, then you had best ignore me as I do not see you as intelligent enough to bother with. I will give you this to go with my other reply but I doubt that you are bright enough to get it. Modern Gnostic Christians name our God "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves. You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I. The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation. In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that lazy Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus. That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. Here is the real way Jesus taught. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural. Regards DL
  18. You do know that spirituality has nothing to do with the sprite world don't you? It is a way of thought. Not the supernatural stupidity you believe in. Regards DL
  19. No. I am a Gnostic Christian. We are esoteric ecumenists and free thinkers. No it is not. My belief system has no supernatural content. If you would have asked, instead of going to a site that represents the same religion that used their Inquisitions on us, while expecting them not to lie about us, you would have gotten more than just the usual Christian lies. Really? Which God in Gen 3 cursed the earth/matter? Your God did. Seems to me that it is Christians, if they believe their bible which most have not even read, you might reverse what you said. Here is our belief and not the lies you have been looking at. I do not expect you to even understand it. Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you. [Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty." As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do. Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be or an ugly and imperfect world? Candide. "It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.” That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle. Regards DL
  20. Give to Caesar. Why? Better law and justice? Do you theists crave God’s law on earth, --- or do you think Jesus was saying that secular law was better? Giving to Caesar includes loyalty and allegiance to the law of the land. Jesus would not recommend an inferior justice system. I guess that the choice is between God’s tyranny, --- and liberty to only follow the law, --- another tyranny, --- which has already negated any notion of freedom for man. Is secular law inferior or superior to the laws of the Gods? Regards DL
  21. That is irrelevant to the issue, but no, I am a Gnostic Christian. Regards DL
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