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This week there were protests in Gaza with some people calling for the end of Hamas's rule. Most media reports like this https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hundreds-palestinians-gaza-protest-against-hamas-after-conflict-resumes-2025-03-26/ and focus on the anti-Hamas aspects. Al-Jazeera has a very different spin: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/28/voices-from-gaza-protests-demand-an-end-to-war-and-suffering Interesting times!

Here's the difference: Palestinians in Israel (Arab-Israelis) are comparable to indigenous people in Canada, or blacks in the US, they have full rights, many individuals succeed however as a group they are behind on most metrics. Jews (and most other minorities) in Arab countries get killed.

Sadly, you may not be wrong about the prospects of peace in the near term, however you are dead wrong about claiming that Israelis hate Palestinians. Fact: there are 2 million Palestinians living peacefully in Israel. This is proof that Israelis and Palestinians can live peacefully, they have been doing it for decades. If you have the time and interest, check out: https://www.youtube.com/@CoreyGilShusterAskProject You will see unfiltered opinions of ordinary people in Israel and Palestine.

I believe that you are in favour of peace. Like many people, I also used to believe that "it takes 2 to tango" and the jews are partly to blame for the violence. Then: I compared the constitution of Israel and Hamas. I thought about how Jews and Palestinians live peacefully in Israel. I saw how Israel made peace with Arab neighbors, including Jordan, essentially a Palestinian state. I read about all the peace offers. I thought about all the 20 year old Israelis walking around the West Bank with machine guns. Clearly the vast majority of israelis want peace.

Good thing that the Arab world is such fertile ground for the emergence of progressive secular lefties!

Now you're talking like a true martyr! Allahu Akbar!

To put it in context, here is a list of violence during that time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine

To put the point into perspective.

It would be interesting to know the ratio of jews killed by Arabs to those killed by "zionist terrorists".

There is no way to spin data to show that global or canadian poverty is increasing. The 1980s were Dark Ages in a large parts of the world. The point is that the world is improving and let's get the story straight to be sure that it conitues to improve.

So you are saying that the Jews living in Palestine had nothing to worry about?

You have your history ass backwards. Here's the proof: 1. There is one Jewish country in the world, and in that country there are 20% Arabs, living peacefully with full rights. How many Jews live amongst the 22 Arab countries? Conclusion: the Jews are upholding their charter. 2. If at any point in the last 80 years the Arabs had the power to wipe out the Jews, they would have. The Jews have had this power for decades yet they have tried to live in peace.

Arabs started a war to eradicate the Jews in 1947. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947–1948_civil_war_in_Mandatory_Palestine

I googled this text: AI Overview Learn more Genetic studies show that both modern Jewish and Palestinian populations share a strong genetic link to the ancient Canaanites, suggesting a common ancestry, rather than a minimal connection for European Jews as stated. Here's a more detailed explanation: Common Ancestry: Genetic research indicates that modern Jewish and Palestinian populations, including those in the Middle East, share a significant genetic connection to the ancient Canaanites who inhabited the region during the Bronze and Iron Ages. Canaanite Origins: The ancient Canaanites were a diverse population that lived in the Levant (modern-day Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, and parts of Syria and Jordan) from around 3000 BCE to 1200 BCE. Genetic Studies: Studies analyzing ancient DNA from the remains of individuals from the Bronze and Iron Ages in the Levant have revealed that modern Jewish and Palestinian populations share a significant proportion of their genetic heritage with these ancient Canaanites. Complex History: The genetic history of the region is complex, with various migrations and interactions between different groups over time. However, the evidence suggests that the ancient Canaanites played a significant role in shaping the genetic makeup of the modern populations in the region. Not a Minimal Connection: The idea that European Jews have a minimal connection to the ancient Israelites and Canaanites is not supported by genetic evidence. While there are variations in genetic makeup among different Jewish populations, including those of European descent, the overall genetic link to the ancient Levant is substantial. Examples of Studies: A 2020 study published in Cell analyzed genetic material from 93 people who lived between 2500 B.C.E. and 1000 B.C.E. and whose remains were found in Israel, Lebanon, and Jordan, and compared it to samples from 17 modern populations, including European Jews and Palestinians. Other studies have also found that Palestinians, Israeli Bedouins, and Druze are among the closest genetic neighbors to most Jewish groups, along with some Southern Europeans.

You are not alone in your Malthusian doomsday attitude. There are countless end-of-the-world prophets. The data tells another story. To illustrate, again, a simple hypothetical question you are to be reborn in a random place on Earth, you can choose the year, what year would you choose?

We know that commodity demand is growing over time. How about prices? Put together these two graphs: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-Economist-commodity-price-index-in-real-dollar-terms-adjusted-by-US-GDP-deflator_fig2_221419034 https://www.bankofcanada.ca/rates/price-indexes/bcpi/ Cleary, as I said commodity prices are near historic lows, despite growing demand. Therefore supply is growing faster than demand. Regarding nuclear, Yes, I agree, nuclear makes sense, just follow the lead of Sweden and France.

Arab land was lost because Arabs started a war and lost. This attitude is consistent with the typical anti-Israeli crowd: -When Egypt and Jordan "steal land", I don't care -When Jordan kills and exiles Palestinians, I don't care -When Lebanon openly discriminates against Palestinians, I don't care -When Palestinians kill other Palestinians, I don't care -When Jews are ethnically cleansed, I don't care But when Jews are attacked, then defend their country against those that want to kill all Jews, that they want to share peacefully with all residents, then you care.

https://wir2022.wid.world/chapter-2/ Yes, depending on how you spin it, the world is becoming more or less equal or unequal. I am a citizen of Earth, living in a global village, so to me global inequality is more important that within country inequality. More importantly, world poverty in in incredible decline, there is no other way to spin this data: https://blogs.worldbank.org/en/opendata/september-2024-global-poverty-update-from-the-world-bank--revise So yes, the rich get richer, but not at the expense of the poor whose income growth is lifting hundreds of millions of people out of poverty. This is another good example of issues to focus on instead of global warming.

Land was purchased. "Palestinians" is a term whose meaning has changed over time, however, there has never been a Palestinian state. Here are some questions: between 1948-1967, were Egypt and Jordan "illegally occupying" Palestine? Did they "steal that land from Palestinians"?

Israel did not steal anyone's car, house nor land. Israel is defending herself against those that want her exterminated. I am pointing out differences in values and culture.

https://www.un.org/en/un75/inequality-bridging-divide#:~:text=Overall%2C since the 1990s total,first time since the 1820s.

You've got it backwards: 1. World inequality has never been lower than it is today. Simple question: pick a year to be reborn in any random place on Earth, what year would that be? 2. Resources have never been as abundant as they are today, the proof is that, when adjusting for inflation, the cost of nearly all goods are very close to historical lows.

Here is another look at Palestinian culture: Who's side are you on?

You are conflating a whole mish mash of issues. Overall, all else being equal, a warmer climate will benefit biodiversity: the vast majority of life on earth is in the warmer climates. Luckily for us, the closer we are to the equator, the less warming that is taking place. Also, the increased CO2 is one factor in increasing plant growth, the world is actually becoming greener. I am not saying that all is well in our environment, there are real problems and lets focus on them instead of wasting our resources on such futile efforts of achieving net zero. For example, when bio-rich rainforests are burned down, we all loose in the long term. Why do people burn down rainforests? Because they are poor and cannot afford to think long term. The solution: lift people out of poverty. A key factor that helped reduce the world's poverty rate from 90% to 10% is abundant low-cost energy. In other words policies that increase energy costs make people poorer and harm the environment.

Why not discuss/refute the issue instead of jumping directly into an ad hominem fallacy. The data clearly shows that yes, the world is getting warmer, but humans are thriving better than ever.