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I honestly do not know. I thought what he said made sense and is helpful and logical. I do not see an agent of the Satanic illuminati but maybe its because he is Satan or maybe he is just a smart nerd. Some people assume a well reasoned person with lots of money must be evil. I am ill-conceived and poor and evil. So maybe my being evil prevents me from seeing his. I think I would trust him more than Putin, Trump, Dr. Tam, Lord Justin or that grumpy Chinese commy leader. Other than Jesse Ventura or Melissa Villasenor, I suspect all.

Figurative speech I appreciate is hard for some to grasp. That's because they are so busy grabbing their balls and posturing they can not just one such the phack up and lament the tragedy of ANY needless death for the very same reasons and in the memory of each dead life's unique contributions. I now bare witness to all innocent victims as well as good people of uniform dead or alive and kneel.

Can you not figure out who am? Well? You claim to care about me. So? Have you made what happened to Floyd go away? So? You think if you continue to shout in anger at others for being angry it has achieved anything other than to show you engage in the very act you claim to challenge? You spit at spitters. That's insightful. So now what? You avoid discussing racism, police brutality, Trump's ignorant comments.. you spit atprotesters..so now phackin what?. You want to send more pictures of what you think are silly violent black people? Well? What? I can tell you what.. you want to use and exploit the death of cops as your excuse to be angry at protestors of the death of Floyd so you can avoid discussing what caused all this shit in the first place. What? You can use the death of the cops and Floyd to inflate ypurvtightep posturing. Oh it aint spit you say, its moral idigbation. That's quite the logic. The memory of the death of Floyd does not suit you but the death of cops does. So you spit in the name of cops. What the phacknis your problej. If you cared about cops why would you use their deaths to engage in the same behaviour that got them killed? You make a mockery not just of Floyd' death but their deaths as well. None of you are discussing the causes of the dead cops or Floyd.. .all you can do is act as a frenzied mob spitting hateful simplistic judgements. You are the very mob you spit Before this is done your presumptuous, simplistic stereotyping and hatred of others will get a lot more people killed or hurt. You don't speak for police you speak for your selves. You really think because you stand on one side and not the other your spit and bullets any different when they hit me. You think you speak for me? I am the motherphacka trying to hold you back! Shut the phack up and go home.

Yah the profilers would say yes but for you and me no. Also some psychiatrists miss the sociopath's true personality disorder completely. You see sociopatths mimmick us. Because they have no feelings they can play back our own feelings when we talk to them.. they feed our feelings back to us to manipulate us. In that sense they keep shape shifting to look like us. So unless you are a really well trained expert on sociopaths you can easily misdiagnose them and get suckered in to believe them. Oh let us face it profilers and psychiatrists can be wrong. You know with some it takes months if not years to rule out other possible illnesses. Many psychiatric illnesses have attached neurological or physical disorders that must be dealt with as well. A tiny scar on your brain, a very minuscule stroke killing off a tiny portion of your brain, a common cold virus or ear infection can trigger hallucinations or problem thoughts in some. A slight hormonal imbalance or irregular sugar level, blood pressure, heat beat, with some can do it. Usually the best homicide cops can pick up a liar, but they will tell you everyone lies. So with them they redirect the lies back in questions to what the person is avoiding in each response and wait to see what happens in the responses. Many murderers want to get caught. Then you have others like say Paul Bernardo, Charlie Manson, they don't care. A classic sociopath was Karla Halmoka. A guy like Michael Jackson like many serial sex molesters are not sociopaths. They do manipulate feelings of others like sociopaths, the difference is their subconscious sooner or later wants to surface and get caught so they sabotage themselves. Now this cop in Minnesota...probably what emerges is that he had both negative familiarity memories stored up with past encounters with both Floyd and other people like him black or white and also other negative familiarities associated with blacks, and other non black characteristics. In a new situation, any of those familiar memories are triggered because something in the moment reminded him of them. It is a reflex response we all engage in and distorts what we see. Women call somevof this phenomena intuition...but it can be a smell, a bone structure of the face that triggers a past memory to govern how we react in the moment. Women have a different brain structure than men so can pick up on or even smell nonverbal things faster. Its a built in necessity from their role of looking after sick children, nursing and anticipating prey trying to get their babies to eat. We men have a brain designed to help us hunt prey or run from bigger animals. These primal differences still remain. It does not mean we are a slave to them but it helps explain why our brains developed differently. One is not better than the other. Both are equally as useful or inefficient. Also our environment and constant evolution literally changes the structure of our brain which then passes it on in the DNA. A new thought that works and you use stores in your brain. It's like a new branch on a tree. People with thick clusters of neuro transmission pathways develop them from thinking. The more developed they get the more flexible and open minded the person is to trying approaches to do things. Sociopaths have no feelings but most of them are high IQ and are freed from emotions that would otherwise slow down the development of certain thoughts they then call on to control a situation. In this definition intelligence is designed by the amount of stored lessons you call on to handle an issue. If the memories are used to creativevpoditive solutions we call them adaptive, if negative, we then call them maladaptive. Emotions can serve as a restraint to prevent negative thoughts but can also fuel them. So some sociopaths become heads of organizations, others isolated loners, some criminals some what we call geniuses or demons. That cop looked completely out of it. He may have been on a medication, drunk, classically desensitivized, I.e., burned out. If he was a sociopath I would be surprised. The fact that the other 3 were so oblivious seems to suggest a burn out mentality on a larger scale in that unit or department. The problem is police departments today are burned out. The expectations on them to be many different things at the same and remain flexible, fluid and open minded in a situation of threat may be as unrealistic as expecting certain blacks or other groups of people to be the same way. I also suspect much of the rioting is serving as an opportunity to release pent up anxiety over covid as well. When you take offf a straight jacket there can be an immediate burst of energy. It is like taking the leash off your dog to run.

Excellent duscussion between S and Z, enjoyed it.

Michelle Obama. I warned you. Susan Rice would make sense so it will not happen.

Everyone is inherently prone to making negative stereotypes about others because our brains are designed (wired) to take exterior stimuli that bombards us at a rapid pace and try organize it. This process of taking otherwise random or unrelated external stimuli/information and turning it into recognizable objects or patterns is called "apophenia" and as we put recognizable objects or patterns into sub-categorieswe call itpareidolia. A racist taks this phenomena and then uses their subjective perception of the diifference in physical characteristics of others as compared to themself to define the other and assign that other identical values they also assign to others who they think look the same. This is not surprising since all homo sapiens being primates and therefore pack animals first learned to identify other packs by different physical characteristics. However most of us now have evolved past assuming others have the same values or believes simply because they have the same skin tone or lip size or hair texture. We have learned such characteristics are secondary and immaterial to determining our similarity with others and it is in fact dna and blood type that determine our similarity. In forensic psychology and forensic psychiatry, we try decipher the thinking processes behind the motives for a criminal act or a perceived wrongdoing. So in the case of the police officer who put his knee on the victim, we decipher the cognitive processes leading up to, during and after the decision to knee the other person. In so doing we analyze the motives for the behaviour. What was inescapable in the video was the lack of emotion in the police officer characteristic of a desensitised individual. Having been part of this process I can tell you in most abuse cases we find the abuser became desensitised to the person they abused based on "familiarity" or negative assumptions stored in their mind based on interactions with that same person or others similar to that same person they abused. We also have found when an abuser first abuses they might feel some remorse but the more they abuses the easier it is for them to abuse until it becomes a reflex action with no necessary planning or premeditation. With those we call sociopaths they are born with no ability to feel any empathy for others so engaging in physical harm of others is done without any feeling. Its an action with no feeling attached. Trying to differentiate a sociopath from a desensitised individual can be difficult as both may show zero signs of emotion when they abuse. Next to say the violence exhibited by the police officer was only stimulated by phenomena other than skin colour because other officers also attack people of their own skin colour is illogical. The two acts although both abusive would have beentriggered by a series of different thought processes and ensuing reflex actions unique to each act of abuse. Every act of abuse has its own unique characteristics. The fact is may have common characteristics to other crimes does not make them the same or motivated the same way. What we know is current case is this officer had negative assumptions about this individual prior to his arrest. So for someone to rule out part of the officer's abuse process was triggered by negative familiarity with blacks is absurd. It would be impossible not to be. We all will use the prevailing physical characteristics of an individual to define them whether we attack them or vice versa. That would be a reflex reaction process triggered so quicky we would not be aware of it at the time of the intense moment or incident. Finally to be able to abuse someone one would have to have entered a head space where they see that person as less than human. That is what densitisation is. It happens over a period of time from repeat exposure to others with similar behaviours and characteristics than then breeds familiarity and then in the case of negative assumptions triggered from similar feelings to past persons with the same characteristics a lack of remorse, guilt, or compassion. The tape shows a police offer in a classic state of desenitisation. He was able for 9 minutes a man pleading with him to stop. This is how ordinary men become monsters. Its not hard. ll you have to do is give them Give them unlimited power over others. You all remember the test with the students asked to push buttons. On the other side was a person who each time a new button was pushed screamed louder. The vast majority of people when told to keep increasing the pain did just that simply by being asked.

This just in Kanye West called me. He is ready to run. He wants Bush Chaney to call him.

Exactly. He is not pro military at all. He postures as a patriot but he insults at military ceremonies and he evaded service and ridiculed those who served. He fought openly over how to deal with Erdogan, Putin, NATO, Kim and how to handle Syria. The military hated Obama but Trump as the alternative has been no ally. His closest advisers from the military were quickly fired. Trump has no allies. He is a creature of divide and create chaos with everyone equally to make himself look good. He is Putin's ideal trojan horse or virus.

Unless a legitimate 3rd candidate surfaces. What would happen let us say if Mitt Romney and Colin Powell ran or one of those two and a middle of the road Democrat? Stranger things have happened. We still do not know the dem Veep running. Everyone so sure Mrs. Obama won't allow herself to be picked? Nothing but nothing would surprise me. What do I know I agree with Jesse Ventura.

Well stated but no it will create sympathy for him and get him elected. His entire platform is to invoke fear in Americans of the world and their fellow Americans and then portray himself as their protector. In fact this fuels his reelection campaign and will cause people to sed Biden siding with the evil of America, blacks, illegals, Chinese. Civil unrest feeds demagogue fascists.

My point is the fact it also happened to a white person does not poof make the act on the black man's act conveniently not racist and therefore an excuse for you to trivialize its significance. Oh I get it. Why do Jews make such a big deal about the holocaust, other people died too. Why do blacks get so upset about police brutality it happens to everyone. Your entire response is predicated on denying how evil may impact on specific groups differently than other groups because you refuse to accept reality and the idea that maybe your sweeping generalizations used as a device to ignore a specific group's collective experiences simply are your deliberate exercise of denying them. Your point is and you just showed it again, you know damn well a senseless attack by a white man on a black man would trigger the same reaction as a black man attacking a white man, but in your world you will engage in evasive bullshit to deny that phenomena because it does not suit your agenda. Oh I got your point and you got my point. You just talk around it. Go on complete your argument. Tell black people they have no right to be afraid of police in the US because they are brutal with everyone not just blacks. Repeat it. Repeat the sheer idiocy and lack of common sense, logic and decency in your answer..hey man don't worry he killed him but he kills whites too. Poof its all good. Save your trivialization and denial. Been there done that. Go on finish your agenda. Lecture us all on how this is no big deal for blacks or anyone. What's my point? That it has a direct impact on all black people across the world for reasons only a black person feel at one level, then impacts on all the rest of us who have any sense of humanity at another level and then there are people like you who will engage in defective and illogical reasoning to deny the feelings of the others whether they are black or white when seeing such shit. My point is you deliberately choose the device of trivialization to deny the legitimacy of the feelings of others. My point is you have an agenda to trivialize and deny the feelings of others and use a tragedy as a pretext and excuse to dictate to blacks to shut the phack up and then for people like me to and blacks to shut the phack upand accept brutal cold blooded murder as no big deal because it happens all the time. Save it. I know you and your point. It got 6 million of my people exterminated. It is what causes good people to look the other way in silence as others are killed. Wrong person to make your point to. When a uniformed person abusing power to be brutal and kill, my spirit is connected to a greater collective one that rises from the ashes of every grave of all people who experience or experienced orbwere slaughtered by the cabuse of government authority. Our souls and memories create our collective, connected, shared sense of grief and although were are many different people our pain is the same and we never rest, we never forget and when soldiers and police gather to remember the dead we also show up to bare witness witness to them for trying to end such crap. You underestimate how this collective memory of the dead surfaces at such times in many expressions to tell us to stand up for humane treatment. Your point is to try block the feelings we incite. Given your number of times trying to deny what happened you might ask yourself, if it's no big deal why the need to debate it with me or anyone. Dud you really think trying to deflect from what happened by saying it happens to whites made if go away?

Manitoba is full of mosquitoes. They are nasty, evil, and carriers of disease. We need too invade and exterminate them or put them in schools and teach them not to be butterflies.

Some responses only need pictures.

No you have been expressing subjective opinions not facts. The only fact is you do not know the difference between your own subjective opinions and facts. You have tried to deflect the incident by blaming protestors, denying prolonged pressure to a neck could and would kill someone, trying to deflect to denying racism exists. You are so caught up in your need to defend yourself and your denial of racism you are willing to deny basic facts.

I first gave you some benefit of the doubt in some of your responses. We are supposed to do that on forums. Most of us try. So now we have it. You argue the police officer is the victim of a lie. I think your words speak for themselves. No need to say anything else.

Oh man conspiracies. Proud Conservative I really used to get annoyed with you until I realize your really believe what you write so as much as I disagree with you I respect you. I think with due respect its distorted by something else but let's respond to it directly. Proud-when we see things that are full of chaos and they make no logical sense we do something. We engage in what is called apophenia. We all do it. Our brain takes all the random info coming in at it and tries to make sense out of it. It creates patterns where none may actually exist. So let me put it this way, you could be seeing incompetence and your brain turns it into logical order. Let me put it this way: there are dirty wet markets. They create a virus. Then this absolutely large, inept government tries to cover it up. They fail. They panic. The damn thing spreads and they try cover it up because if the people realize just how inept they are they might realize how useless they are and revolt against them. The virus spreads. Many other governments with equally as useless government bureaucrats get caught. The disease keeps spreading. You can't possibly imagine its just the nature of government, that government whether its Chinese, European, Canadian, its made up of people like you and me sitting at desks. Each one of us at these desks gets fragmented and disjointed pieces of information. We work in layers of redundant layers of the same function often working at cross purposes to one another. We cause stupidity and mishandle things. Maybe just maybe what you see is not complex organized thought that goes into conspiracy planning, just stupid people. Yah we are stupid. I worked in two governments. I am telling you I was stupid and still am. No conspiracy. Just stupid. Basic shit we screwed up on. We took the most simple things and screwed them up. Let me say this to you, After Sars all governments knew they had to once and for all create early warning systems to test contagious illnesses. Most had the plans in place. Instead of spending money on those early warning systems our governments took the money and spent it on other stuff to get them re-elected-feel good stuff. Its what politicians do. They don't spend their money on essential services. Its not sexy. Its long term and no one sees immediate benefits so it doesn't get them re-elected. Politicians want to get re-elected so they spend the money instead on useless feel good shit. For example look how fast after the tragedy in Nova Scotia Trudeau was up posing as a saviour of all of Canada against guns. After months of screwing up on Covid, his handlers saw it as an opportunity to pass a law no one wanted and to restore his image as a decisive leader-so presto he's banning 1,500 rifles with no plan thought out to how other rifles good easily be recalibrated to the same rifles he thought he is banning. No thought to the fact that his banning will not stop the smuggling in of hand guns which are the no.1 source of wrongful deaths. No thought to how handguns that kill are in the hands of people illegally. He focused all his energy on law abiding gun owners. He did throw token amounts of money for a few ammunition sniffing dogs at the border and an unspecified program to look into gun smuggling. Really? You think with a border the length of ours where the same Trudeau created a precedent to allow illegals to walk across this border addresses the issue of security on our borders. Its such a long and never ending border its not possible to prevent smuggling of drugs and guns and people. However look what he did. Use a tragedy to pose himself and look good. Dr. Tam his health expert was wrong about everything she said. Repeatedly. No one with any right mind can imagine why she is still there. But there she is making speeches that mean very little. The world you live in is internet where messages come to you asap. That immediacy distorts what you see making it look bigger than it is and more urgent than it is. Covid is real...but we reacted to it based on the media which presented it in an hysterical way. The lock down the responses by government, those were genuine people trying to prevent other people getting ill. They reacted as they did because they screwed up and are still trying to cover their butt. You really think getting angry on the streets will help that? What it will do is give your government the ideal excuse to shut you up and cover their stupidity up. If you really care, be calm. Use educated reasoning. Challenge peacefully. Use logic. Use data and facts based on objective methodology not feelings to make your arguments. Your inept government can handle that. If you are not violent and rational, your opposition can be a valuable tool to change things. Its only when it becomes violent it turns people off. One last example, people rioting in the US has only served to cause police to react with more physical brutality. However in Portland, Oregon something powerful happened. The people protested peacefully. The police sent out knowing they were being peaceful...didn't beat them and tear gas them, they kneeled down with them to show solidarity. Sometimes the very enemy you need to connect to..to put out a fire. Martin Luther King was a man who preached that. He said to blacks and everyone else, reach out in turmoil to your very enemy and make him an ally and that is what he did. He turned his supporters into a coalition of every colour, religon, etc. and that is what made his ability to try change things work. Oh yah of course he was killed but his cause and what he did was so big at that point the dummies who killed him could not stop it. Now it looks like what he tried to do failed. It has not. The crap you see its part of the ending of that process. Its the final line of resistance. When a cop does such bad shit, it forces police all over to say no more we can't allow it. They will. It sometimes takes absolute tragedy to change things. That is what covid and the death of that man will do. It will be slow. It won't be quick, but its happening. Question, challenge, but understand, burning shit down doesn't help it hinders.

Of course you see no racism. Many however see the colour of the officer and the colour of the person he killed and ask is that related go what you only see as bad. They do this because they have seen a repeat pattern of behaviour with white police and blacks. You appear to choose to see only your vision and not concede other people may see other things.In so doing you make the thread about your vision and dismiss any other. So now what.? You saw no racism. Poof it never happened?Anger and fear are incited by what people think they see not what you tell them they should see. For this reason I can guarantee you if a black person robbed you, everytime you walked down the street and saw another black man you would think twice. So are you telling me if a black man sees as cop do what this cop did he would not be afraid of all cops now? How does this perception process work where you dismiss any vision but your own? Your position is that his evil was colour blind unless someone proves otherwise. Others believe evil in this case was fueled by racism until someone proves to them otherwise...and so now? Does your version prevail? Why? Better still if you are right..then...what don't worry that guy is evil with everyone? Are blacks not part of that everyone category as well? You really wang to lecture black people and say relax man he killed him unfairly but it's because he hates all humans not just blacks. Oh well then that's a relief. You need to get that not all people grew up with pleasant experiences about police. So yes they might fear them when shit like this goes down. My grandmother died afraid of police. I grew up to witness police outside my synagogue guarding it from Jew haters. I grew up because my parents live in a country where they could live without such fear. So me, I can not . I am not asking people to go out and attack cops...but I am also not presuming to tell blacks or anyone else how they should feel. I will though tell black people I have to stand next to them and cry. Nothing else. They don't need my patronization. They just need us all to witness what happened ad join them and say no more. All of us must avoid violence. Americans will deal with this. It is part of their infinite struggle to resist tyranny.

Some days I can't resist thinking Trump is just a Russian troll and so are the outraged responders as well. Time to run a third party in the US. The question is who? Kayne West? Gary Bettman? Maury Povich?

The two way exchange between Spank and Wes was some damn excellent discussion. Good on both of yooz sob's. Excellent stuff in your back and forth. And to think I give you two shit. Kudos

All I can say is positive change begins when we decide at an individual level not because we are ordered to by anyone let alone government. I myself don't buy into crime as being excused because of being poor. That is too simplistic. Certainly crime can become an alternative commercial source of finance to those who feel they have no fair chance to make it in legitimate business dealings but why is it you have two guys that come out of the same poverty, one is a terrorist the other a doctor, one a legitimate businessman, the other a "made" man, one a cop, one a bank robber, one a priest the other a pimp? I appreciate environment shapes our lives, but so surely does an inner voice inside us? Am I naive about that? Am I naive to believe anyone can pull their way out of shit? Where should our compassion lie? Should it lie with people who have tried and failed or people who have never tried at all/ These are complex issues. So all I can say Indy is we shouldn't use social issues as an excuse to avoid responsibility for our individual choices, but on the other hand we both know a guy with a job and some feeling of self decency because he works, is less likely to commit crimes. I have no answer for you on how much a government should play a positive role in helping people and how much of a role people should play in helping others and themselves other than to say both can help. I do agree with FDR's new deal for example. I think that prevented far worse issues but I can also see how a permanent new deal could cause the opposite effect of what it intended as well. Balance. How do you find that balance. In regards to racism, I have no answers. I can only speak for myself. I have experienced bigotry like you and many others but I can only explain how I dealt with it. I can't presume to know how others deal with such crap. All I know expressed with humility is I had to learn to not be so damn angry and ignore a lot of people I would otherwise react to. I had to learn to believe in myself and not allow others to define me. Those are abstract things I still work on of course but help when you think you live in a hostile word that has no respect for you. If you don't respect yourself first, of course you think the world does not respect you. You project it outwards. At least I think so. So self-esteem..how do you build that. Black or white if you don't have a strong family, strong faith values, a belief in something bigger than you out there, I am not sure how you go about finding that self esteem. Seems to be people who are racist over compensate for their own feelings of self loathing and people who face racism might at times over react if they do not feel confident in themselves and need to learn how to feel strong so when the ignorance comes it rolls off them easy. Easy for me to say.

Is it only used against blacks or anyone that looks poor in which case then Eye's blaming it on capitalism raises its ugly head which was his point. Is it a class war or a race war or both? I think with respect to you stop n frisk targetted anyone who looked homeless or was panhandling and was designed to take them off the streets to protect tourism in New York in Manhattan.

I suspect you are dead on Hal but the problem is when you kill someone black and you are white the added perception is like a flame to gasoline and trying to then put the fire out once its lit is the damn problem. I just do not know what to tell you. So much emotion is triggered. Racists use it as a platform. Extremist agitators use it as a platform. Angry citizens with their own distrust of police for many reasons get triggered and police get triggered. Its a vivious cycle. For a lot of cops when they see this shit they get even more paranoid then they were before tensing them up and making them over-react on the most routine stops with black people when they are white and vice versa black people are all tensed up about any ecounter with white cops. How to de-escalate that cycle of negative reaction which spins into further bad behaviour is the issue. It requires long term solutions of course, but in the short term people need to see tangible signs to cool off. Sometimes that requires a politician doing that. Trump certainly does not. Sometimes it requires leaders all sides respect saying cool it. We don't seem to see people like that emerging. Sometimes a musician or actor or sports figure tries but hey have limited effect and some of them simply use it for their own personal agendas.

Its precisely why you detest communism because you know you must be free of anyone telling you who you must be. I get you. You and me we do not approve of rioting and violence but we don't tell a man who feels he's not free he is. You and only you could decide when you are free not me. I witness your freedom. You are the teacher in that sense. Indy I am not sure how this horrible shit ends but it will when certain people feel they are in control of their lives. It is a tough one. I think America struggles but it is because it constantly looks for freedom. It's what can be ugly at times but leads to some beautiful things.

Anyone else want to post pictures of black gangstas..oh look he has a lot of rings and big lips..oooh...now what should I post a picture of Elvis, Donny Osmond, John Denver? That's debate? Its pathetic.