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I will now focus in on what an ignorant hateful racist you are and how you tried to deflect it on Argus. In regards to the first sentence, you attack me as a Jew. Let's be very clear. You claim because I am a Jew, its in my genes to be racist. This shows very clearly your anti-Semitism. Racism is the discriminatory belief that one can define people by their skin colour, nose shape, hair texture, eye shape or other secondary physical characteristics. In fact it describes a subjective attitude and racism most often leads to the justification of feeling the physical differences justify makes the person with the perceived differences inferior or undesireable. What you have done is to slur me and all Jews as being born with a built in genetic code to discriminate against others in a racist manner. This is a classic example of slurring al Jews with a negative subjective characteristic. Genetics as we now know does not make one learn to define people by their skin colour, etc. Children when they are born differentiate but don't do what racists do, ad moral or other values of desirability or acceptability to the people they see. They have to learn it later on from their environments, their parents, their role models, and their social conditions. So your first comment shows nothing more that you hate Jews and smeer us all. Next, your next paragraph shows you do not understand that secondary physical characteristics such as nose shape, hair texture, skin tone, do not make people genetically different and never have. Science has taught us that beyond reasonable doubt through development of in depth understanding of genetics and our dna and blood types. We now have more than sufficient science in the genetic field tp show what makes people genetically different or in fact predisposed to certain characteristics is not their skin colour, nose shape, hair texture, but their blood type and dna strands and codes and chemical variants on hormones, etc. What you have done is suggest a Person is not a Jew. There are of course Persian Jews. Your decision to say there are not any is a political one. You have ben taught a Jew can'tpossibly be equal to you as a Persian, so you spew this desperate attempt to justify your racism and your being brought up to believe Jews are kafir, i.e., dhimmi, i.e., imperfected souls going to hel who can not be the equal of a Muslim. Its what you were taught as a Muslim and its why you don't and can't come on this forum and say you will not recognize as Jew as an equal to a Muslim and having the right to have a Jewish state. You have shown you can't and won't say it and in the above comments you try intermix genetic definition with subjective ones. When you use the term "features that are different", you use it in the context to then state because Argus says Arabs don't have distinguishable facial features or "look the same" you and others not I went off on a racist tangent saying he is a racist for saying that. I asked you repeatedly, explain to me how Jews, Turks, Jurds, Persians, look different from one another if Argus is wrong and racist for saying that. You can't answer. In fact when you answer now, you engage deliberately in the ambiguous statement "they have features that are different". You dishonestly restate the issue. You can't prove physical features are different. You have been asked over and over to explain the physical differences and you can't. That makes you a joke. Argus is right. We look the same and its eating you up we do. As for our genetic differences you cut the bullshit because you have been caught and exposed. Any genetic differences would be physically invisible and you know that. Those genetic differences would not lead to a particular nose shape in Jews any different than a Persian, Jew or Turk so do me a favour, walk. You dug yourself in a racist whole. Stating extremist Muslims have a herd mentality is dead on. All extremists do. Like you they suspend logic. They react with such emotion they can't stop from writing their racist thoughts. Go on explain how the genetic difference between a Turk and Jew makes them look different. I have asked you repeatedly to prove it. Go on prove it. You can't because no such proof will ever exist and you sling to your barely couched anti Semitism taught to you and that you cling to. Your belief in dhimmitude, Jews as kafir and looking different its all inter-mixed. Your religion was taught to you in a way that depicted we Jews as monkeys to be slaughtered. Who the phack do you think you address, some gentile who doesn't understand the Koran or your culture or mine? You want to try again with this bullshit there are no Persian Jews? What a pathetic thing to say. All Jews came from the geographic region of Persia. Your ancestors and mine trace back to ancestors in Mesopatamia that at one point was linked by land to Africa. Everyones genetics can be traced back to genetic pools in Africa and India. Science has shown skin colour, hair texture, means sweet phack all to the origins of our genetic codes and species. All you have tried to do is deflect from your own hatred of Jews by trying to depict Argus as hating you. He could care less and so could I. What I challenge and he has is your herd mentality-this group psychosis you have bought into that you look different then not just Jews but Arabs. Turks, etc. By the way before you write broken sentences asking Altai who calls me a kafir on this forum for help understand something-that was pathetic. Turning to her for help was pathetic, Given the content of her posts what the hell was that supposed to add? Well of course, your nations have one thing in common with Iraqi Sunnis, y'all hate and have engaged in genocide against Kurds. Good for you. Now you want to deny Iran has exterminated Kurds no different than the Turks or Hussein, save it for another thread where you can try present Iran as a utopia nation with no racism or human rights violations against ethnic groups or religious groups. You don't have the balls to because you know exactly the Iranian racist and anti semitic and fascist intolerant views the Iranian clerical council enforces. Spare me Tehran Terry, been there done that. You are the very racist you accuse all Israelis and Jews of being and Argus. As for calling me a racist, lol no I would not hire you. Not unless I wanted a knife jammed in my back while I was working. No problem, you can file an Ontario Human Rights complaint and have Justin Trudeau be a character witness for you. I'm gonna go with Norm MacDonald and Gilbert Godfriend. They will tag team.

That was idiotic. You came on this thread, you and your "entourage" of jihadi arm chair warrior pissantes and derailed the thread and now you want to selectively address me for responding to your derailment and their derailments? Lol.

Well that certainly is directly on point to the thread and hey you know that Gulf War never happened. By the way, you might want to before you play that Yankee imperialist tune, try find out the difference between an actual conventional war and on-going counter-terrorism exercises. The constant fight to contain ISIS, Al Quaeda and other Iranian or Saudi funded terror groups is not a conventional war. There is no declaration of war and there will be no peace treaty with signatories. Its not a war between nations and thus your calling it a war is bulshit. It has no finitie term. In fact it could go on for many decades and much of it is policing. Its not a conventional war between two uniformed entities following the Geneva code as you try lump it in with. This is why I dismiss your comments. Your agenda is trite. It takes concepts like war and terrorism and infers they are on and the same and for that matter, your taunt is past childish. You simplify the cost of war and the price soldiers and civilians pay as if its a football game someone won or lost. .

In regards to comment 1, you deflect from your own opinions about Israel and Jews. In regards tp comment 2 , I don't adhere to any foreign policies I am a Canadian citizen. I am not a government. The fact you engage in that name calling shows you don't disntuguish anyone who supports Israel's right to exist from the Israeli government let alone specific Israeli policies. That again evidences you are a bigot. In regards to comment 3, they exist on this board and your refusing to acknowledge them means sweet phack all. In regards to comment 4, you have never asked me my opinion because you have made it clear any opinion but one that agrees with yours is not something you will consider. In regards to comment 5, I have never stated you calling me anti Arab makes you a racist. In regards to comment 6, you again deflect with name calling. This thread started under the pretense of calling Netanyahu a racist. It didn't take but one post for it to turn into a free for all to accuse all Israelis of being racists and attacking me and anyone who supports the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state of being Israeli and then engaging in anti semitic slurs. For example on your second comment you used the smeer, "typical Zionist here and elsewhere.." that is precisely the kind of negative generalization you have been called out on and makes a mockery of your attempt to suggest you are a reasonable person who recognizes the right of an Israeli Jewish state to exist. In fact it shows your true agenda and you are so God damn stupid you forgot to cloak it-that's what I do-expose you, Marcus, Kactus, whatever name of the moment. It doesn't take much to get you to spew your actual hateful agenda that you start off trying to couch and get this clear, the name calling has not deflected your refusal to state you believe in the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state, its just amplified how you won't and try your best through name calling to avoid stating it while posing as if you did. You were caught red handed in a lie and you are not intelligent to walk away from me on it. In regards to your last comment, for someone who wouldn't waste any time, the volume of your responses to me speak for themselves. I appreciate in your culture a Jew who talks back appears pompous but your belief we are inferior and can't talk back and should no our place as dhimmi, stateless and second class to you, lol does it look like its making me step and fetch Sahib Bwana Shiekh of the Arabias. Does this Jew look like he's gonna stoop n fetch to your routine? Lol.

This site: www.imminalu.net/myths-pals.htm discusses the details of the Palestinian myth. Its an article presented on this board numerous times aJunr 4nd not surprisingly Hudson Jones, or the name of the moment, has never attempted to repudiate it. They can't. They haven't a clue. Its no different then asking Hudson Jones to indicate what he meant by Zionism being a cancer and needing to be wiped out. He claimed it was not a violent reference to Israelis and yet to date when I asked him was he planning to give Israeli Jews chemotherapy to wipe out their citizenship he would not answer. To be specific, June 4, 1967 is when the term Palestinian started being used as Hudson Jones mouthpieces use it in its present context. The term Falastin comes from the latin term Palaestina. The original land was called Canaan not Palestine. Until 1967 Palestinians were called Arabs. It was only after Arafat was unable to take over Jordan in 1967 and failed he reinvented the word to mean people on the West Bank and Gaza who to this day according to the PA and Hamas as it states in their constitutions, want a Sunni Muslim state in all of Jordan, Israel and the West Banka nd Gaza, as a preliminary movement to unify the entire Middle East and all of its states in one large Muslim Ummah. All you have to do is read the constitutions and positions of the PA or Hamas. They aren't exactly secret. In fact have Hudson Jones explain to you how Bashir Assad's father Hafez Assad told Arafat there was no Palestine or Palestinians or how Nasser created the Gaza strip to imprison Arabs from Gaza who failed to defeat the Jews and the creation of Israel. He openly ridiculed them. He didn't support their independence. The litany of Arab nationalists that ridiculed the term Palestinian is there in the public domain but the anti Israelis who reinvent history won't admit that. They'd have you believe Palestinians have existed since ancient days. Its a lie. An out and out lie. The ancient peoples of the Middle East are all known. Palestinians were not one of them. Palaestina is simply a Latin word used for the geographic areas of Canaan, Judea, Somaria, Assyria, and where Lebanon and Jordan are today. Assyria was roughly where Syria is today and Canaan, where Israel is and Judea and Somaria can be found in any Bible. There was no Palestine as a town, city, village, it was simply a Latin reference to a geographic area since Romans would not use Hebrew or Canaanite or Muslim words. Palestine is not a Muslim word. The Muslims of the Middle East who come from the Arabian peninsula or are descended from persons of the Arabian peninsula are called Arabs. This includes Jews and Christians from the Arabian peninsula they are as much Arabs as the Muslim descendants of the Arabian peninsula are. The myth that Arabs are only Arabs if they are Muslim or Palestinians were never Jews is just that-lies, fabrications that deny actual history because if acknowledged, the entire script that Jews invaded the Middle East and have no ties to it would be exposed for what it is, an out and out lie. Ask yourself, what person as Hudson Jones claims to be calls others bizarre and would have you believe Jews descended from the Arabian peninsula are no less Arabs than Muslims from the same area or that Jews are not indigenous to the areas now known as Israel, Jordan, Gaza and the West Bank and only appeared in 1948 as invaders. What individual would engage in such crap? Well an individual who believes you won't take the time to research history to find out Muslims evolved only after the Christians and long after the Jews.

One of the deep reasons I have contempt for your presence on this board is that you use Palestinians as a prop for your anti Semitism. You have no clue who Palestinians are, or there history. To start with your anti semitic and absolutely moronic statement suggesting Jews who came to Israel had no ties to the land shows just how dishonest you are. You think in one sentence you can dismiss the history of Judaism and Jews and deny they come from the Middle East. Even more stupid and moronic then that you engage in this script that if a Jew came to Israel from outside Palestine they had and still have no ties to it, but if a Muslim came to Palestine from outside it, they automatically are considered to have ties to it. This double standard is part of the bullshit script you propagate. Both Israelis and Palestinians have arguments as to the land. Neither is right or wrong. You on the other hand are an odious manipulator whose role is to come on this board and pit Palestinian against Muslim in this imagined fantasy that has evil Jews taking land from innocent victim Palestinians. It has nothing to do with history and everything to do with your agenda which is to falsely misrepresent the history of Muslims, Christians, Jews in the Middle East so you can prop anti Semitism on the board. You are a transparent one trick pony. You come on this forum, deny Jews have any relation to Israel nd call other people bizarre and question they be taken seriously? What have you done since you showed up on this forum with the name "Hudson Jones" that anyone who understands the history of Christians, Muslims and Jews in the Middle East should take seriously? It doesn't matter what name you use, each and every post you come on posing as if you can't possibly be questioned as to your version of the Middle East and you haven't even a clue what the origins of the word Palestine are.

1. "Return to their homes" is a code reference. Let's be clear what it actually means when "Hudson Jones" uses it. . It means, any MUSLIM of the Middle East who self-identifies as a "Palestinian" has the right to enter Israel and automatically be given citizenship and land title. That's what it means. Its a code word used by Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, the Iranian government Al Quaeda, PFLP, and all terror cells for taking back what is now the Jewish state of Israel and making it a majority sharia law Muslim state for these self-identified so called Palestinians. 2. In fact the majority of these so called "Palestinians" are descended from Muslim Arabs who moved to the West Bank or Gaza and displaced actual Muslim, Christian and Jewish Palestinians. 3. It also includes people born outside Israel on the West Bank, in Gaza, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, in refugee camps. 4. Hudson Jones lies as usual. Arab League nations WILL NO AND DO NOT give citizenship to Palestinians. So his statement, "if the Palestinian refugees receuive citizenship in the countries," is a lie. It never happens because its not allowed to happen and its precisely why these people are placed by these nations in so called refugee camps. They are pawns They are a tool, a prop, used by the Arab League as an argument to state, there should be no Jewish state, only a Muslim state where Israel is, and these people should be its citizens. 5. Of course the Arab League states will not give them citizenship, they state so repeatedly out loud. They state if they did that, had they and if they were to take in so called Palestinians, there would no longer be people to argue have to be forcefully moved to where Israel is. 6. Palestinians had the right of return to Jordan. Jordan was created illegally out of 90% of the land promised for a Jewish state and unilaterally turned into a Palestinian state called Jordan. Jordan has always been a Palestinian state and up until 1967 allowed full right of return to Jordan and citizenship. It was Yasir Arafat who declared if he could not run Jordan as his own country he would not recognize it as a Palestinian state. It was only after Arafat failed to kill King Hussein of Jordan in the Black Sabbath uprising and force Jordan under his rule, he then and only then in 1967 invented the word Palestinian. Until then all Palestinian leaders ridiculed the word Palestinian or the notion of a Palestinian state. 7. The people who live in the West Bank and Gaza were offered over 8 times their second Palestinian state in return for stopping terror attacks on Israel and recognizing Israel as a Jewish state, To this day Hamas. Hezbollah, the PA and over 300 other Palestinian terror cells are in a state of war against Israel as is Lebanon, Syria and technically all members of the Arab League except Jordan and Egypt and even Morrocco whose King has always been amicable with Jews in his own country and in Israel never removed the declaration of war when the Arab League had his country go to war against Israel in 1948. 8. The Arab League and no one in any Arab country even Jordan and Egypt will recognize Israel's right to be a Jewish state. 9. The bullshit semantics that comes out of the PA is they will recognize an Israeli state, but not a Jewish Israeli state, and they will only recognize a state in Israel if any Muslim not a Jew, not a Christian, but any Muslim who calls himself a Palestinian is allowed to "return to Israel. 10. When Palestinians as they call themselves say "return home" they engage in an out and out lie as does Hudson Jones and its part of their fantasy world when discussing Israel. Its impossible for them to return home, when they were never there and Israel was never their home. In fact they were born outside Israel and their homes were never in Israel. Those are the people Hudson Jones pretends are returning to homes in Israel. 11. No other people in the world who claim they were disposed by war, and forced to move elsewhere and have offspring born outside their parent's country are defined as refugees. Only Palestinians in the entire world call themselves refugees when they are born outside Israel. All other refugees of the world do not have this right. 12. Palestinians born outside Israel are not refugees from Israel. They never left Israel. It is possible their parents may have left Israel but not them. 13. The script where Hudson Jones will discuss the alleged need for Palestinians to return home, is a code word for taking back Israel and making it Muslim. If only the actual displaced Muslims now were to go back home it would be perhaps around 250,000 as most have now died. The millions now added as Palestinians are in fact born outside Israel and were not born in Israel and most are descended from non Palestinian Muslims who moved to the West Bank and Gaza. 14. This bullshit script ignores that 900,000 Jews were expelled from the Arab League nations of whom 750,000, more than the total no. of alleged displaced Palestinians had no choice but to flee to Israel. In the fantasy script where so called Palestinian refugees never born in Israel move into Israel and return somewhere they never lived in, they are supposed to displace and take away land from those Jews born in Israel or who are part of these 750,000 displaced Jews and their families failing to recognize their rights. 15. The actual script of fantasy would also have self identified Palestinians displacing Arab and Muslim and Druze and Beduin and Bahaii and Christian Israelis not just Jewish Israelis. 16.The supposed return to Israel ignores that Palestinians were offered a Jordanian citizenship and chose to reject it. Jordan offered as part of a comprehensive settlement to take in supposed Palestinians even after 1967 and were told by Arafat they would never accept Jordan or Israel as states and would never stop fighting until all of Israel and Jordan as well as Gaza, the West Bank and even parts of Syria and Lebanon are ceded to a Palestinian state which is a Muslim state and states in its constitution that to achieve this state a holy war against all Jews on the planet earth not just Israelis must be engaged in. 17. This fantasy script deals with constitutions in the PA and Hamas and Hezbollah, and the other terror cells that call on wiping out Jews world-wide and seizing all Christian lands and churches as well. I would expect Hudson Jones given his agenda to come on this forum and spew out the canned script and coded reference to taking back Israel. Its part of the same crap you read about "recognizing Israel" but you will never see the name "Jones", "Kactus", etc., ever state they recognize the right of Israel to be a Jewish state. They only will recognize it if its a Muslim state and they are too cowardly to come on this board and state that so instead, the code references. Look at how Kactus ran from me when I asked him to state just once, he recognizes the right of Israel to be a Jewish state. Now we have this alleged "Hudson Jones" who came on this forum and said Zionism is a cancer that needs to be wiped out using code references for "return to Israel". Anyone think Hudson Jones believes Israel has the right to be a Jewish state. Yah right. Return my ass. Have him tell you his fantasy story about how one returns somewhere they never have been at. Oh but you see when it comes to the script, we suspend actual reality and rewrite history to suit justifying the refusal to ignore a sovereign state and couch references to reinvading it. Another day another recycled take back Israel script from a jihadi arm chair warrior who wouldn't know the difference between a Palestinian, Jordanian, Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, Iraq, Israeli, Iranian if one bit him in his ass. Regards Bartholamew Hodgkins Fraser Valley James Bay Smith Rupert Basin Windsor Thompson Becket the 4th Rocky Mountain Victoria Island Smith Brit Columbia Jones Bullwinkle Mr. Peabody

You are. There is nothing in genetics or biology that constructs gender in a confusing or blurry way. People may choose to change their gender but even if they change their bodies with reconstruction they have to take hormones continuously and their reconstructed penises and vaginas can not create babies. The bio-genetic definition state of birth always has the final clear say no matter how blurry our social constructs may be about how we define gender. You can bleach a man's skin, restructure his nose, straighten his hair, but you can't change his genetic make up which is invisible to the human eye.

Good God we need to get these jihadi warriors out of Mama's basement.

Not Science, your personal decision to cross dress. Don't confuse the two. Science long ago concluded gender difference essential for reproduction of a species just as it determined that there is a certain percentage of all species given a built in genetic predisposition to same sex preference. One does not negate or disprove the relevance or meaning of the other. scientifically, social constructs by people do that.

Its actually inaccurate to call Caucasian a race. Science has proven Caucasian, mongoloid and negroid are meaningless. They have no scientific basis. They have been proven to be subjective perceptions but not based on genetics. Even the word Caucasian used to describe white people is silly, Caucasians include Turks, Arabs and my favourite MOUNTAIN JEWS go find out who they are. Caucasian was a geographic region and some Europeans saw people there, thought they were beautiful in appearance and called them Caucasian. When I use the word racism it is accurate. It refers to the exercise of suggesting people physically look different because of their physical appearance based on subjective stereotyping of their hair texture, skin tone, lip shape, nose size, nostril shape and eye shape. Those are secondary physical characteristics that do not determine anything but subjective perceptions which are illusionary because of what is called the cross race effect. You can have a coal black African and a pale white European who have more in common than two coal black men or two pale white men. I am surprised I would have to explain this to you. The argument of physical difference practiced in the Arab world like in the Western world has led to justification to discriminate against those with darker skin, etc. Is irrational, its asinine and it does not get to the root of the Middle East conflict which is an interpretation of Islam that changes depending on village, town, region, country that then leads to civil wars between Muslims, and wars between Muslims and non Muslims. Muslim society is where Christian society used to be and Jewish society once was. It has not yet evolved past a fundamentalist stage of interpretation which leads to rigid views. Progressive Muslims are a minority of Muslims and are threatened by mainstream Islam which still for the most part is fundamentalist and subject to strict interpetations by Shiite and Sunni Mullahs who disagree with each other and disagree within their own sects. Why we walk around this is bullshit to me. I say it openly. Ultra orthodox Judaism is not compatible with modern democracy. Ultra conservative Christianity is not either. This is why the Amish and Hasidic Jews segregate and remove themselves from mainstream Western society. The difference is they don't engage in terrorism or war against people they disagree with Aboriginal customs and beliefs often come into direct conflict with our modern concepts of democracy. You don't see them engaging in terrorism. Fundamentalism can lead to extremism and violence and terrorism-in the Muslim world it does. To pretend in the Muslim world there is no violence between Muslims and between Muslims and non Muslims where Muslims are a majority is bullshit. Peaceful Muslims like Amoidyah and Ismaili have been targeted for violent attack by other Muslims precisely because of their beliefs. I've sat in Mosques where Mullahs have preached Israel must be destroyed by any means possible and I have sat in Mosques where Muslims welcomed me as a brother and had zero issue with Israel or me. That to me is a crucial difference not nose shape. Jews look like anyone else. Its their beliefs that distinguish us from each other and non Jews. If I were to use a tone of reference that said Arabs should not have Muslim nations, and they are infidel going to hell for not following Moses, that would make me an intolerant individual very easily capable of going the next step and becoming terrorist. Judaism never taught or teaches anyone of another faith is infidel. Christianity and Islam do that, not Judaism, Jews don't convert people. WE don't go door to door converting people or reaching Moses is the only one. There are a minority of Jews that may use the religion to condone hatred of Arabs and Palestinians and if they do that I can assure you they think the same thing as my kind of Jew but these are a minority and it is their intolerance and violence not their nose shape that distinguishes them. Same holds true of Muslims. I do know mainstream Islam still teaches its followers non Muslims are dhimmi, inferior and not equal. Until that changes, the conflict not just between Muslims and Jews, but between Muslims and Christians, Muslims and thre West and Muslims and progressive Muslims will continue. Christianity now denounces the blaming of all Jews for killing Christ and it is now mainstream for Christians even though they believe Christ is the only way to get to heaven to respect Jews just as we respect them. Nothing in Judaism is incompatible with Christianity or vice versa but the interpretation of the word Messiah. Some Jews do not believe the Messiah has come yet. Some like gnostic Christians or modern progressive Christians believe messiah was a word Jesus meant was the potential in all of us to save the world through positive behaviour and so in that sense we were all sent as sons and daughters of God to save the world so to speak and others believe literally in the Christ as son of God postulation but we discuss it with respect and love not as an excuse to hate. Progressive Muslims as well don't follow or interpret their Koran any more than we Jews or Christians interpret our Bibles to justify violence. Yes KKK claim to be Christian and hate me as a Jew but they sure as hell hate Catholics, Jehova's Witnesses, 7th Day Adventists, blacks, Muslims, gays, just as much. If they were as wide spread as Muslim terrorists they would merit concern and it is these beliefs not physical features that distinguish us.

Please explain these mutations,. Spanky I respect your opinions and apologize if you think I have been rude to you, I genuinely apologize I am just debating this issue and you are someone I respect so I am challenging you but I do not mean it in a bad way. I am trying to be up front with you. I have lived in the damn area. I have worked with all these peoples. There is no way anyone has mutated. Not just yet. I will say this. It is a fact there is a lot if first cousin marriages in the Arab world particularly in Syria and that leads to certain congenital illnesses you won't find anywhere else having to do with mental capacity or things like Guilen-Barre syndrome a degenerative spinal disease but physical difference in terms of nose shape, lips, eyes, hair, etc. that you could notice like down's syndrome, no. No on has mutated any differently in the Middle East then they have elsewhere with due respect. You won't get a peep out of me over their being regional cultural differences within the Arab and Jewish worlds but genetically you aren't going to find physical mutations resulting in distinct secondary physical characteristics. If you typw In cross recognition tests you can find out all kinds of information as to what I am saying.. while Wikepedia is often inaccurate try it on this one, go to https:en/wikepedia.org/wiki/Cross-race_effectm start there. Now if you want to provide me examples of these physical mutations please do so. I am telling you they don't exist differently in Syrians than Egyptians, than Israelis, etc. There is no such evidence because it does not exist.

In fact those Jews in Hebron don't consider themselves Israeli and have asked to be part of any Palestinian state yes and Abbas in fact said he would expel them all or engage them in war if they do not leave once Palestine is declared. He could care less they are Palestinians. He also believes in a sharia law state so Christian Palestinians would soon find themselves inferior citizens. Abbas said he will never recognize Christian Palestinians as having the right to own land. That means he will seize all Christian Palestinian lands and tale it away from them. As for debating mannerly, its bullshit to tell me what my culture is and what my origins are. Please don't do that and I will be mannerly. Tell me to educate myself about my people and history when you clearly don't understand that I consider that arrogant and presumptious. Please don't assume I don't know what I look like and where I come from and you know more about my ethnicity, etc. You don't. For you to say Arabs look different is bull shit. Think about it. You can't explain why you would even think Syrians and Egyptians look different but you assume they look different. There is nothing mannerly about that. Its a racist presumption of what you think people look like You think to a black man faced with the KKK coming on his lawn whites look different? You think as a Jew you sound any diferent to me than a KKK when you start saying Arabs look a certain way? What's the difference? How is it culturally enlightened to think Arabs physically look different? I want one Arab to come on this board and explain how they physically look different than Jews, whites, etc. Just one. I want you to do it. The moment you can, let me know because anyone who comes on this board and starts arguing their is a distinct physical look with ethnic types is engaging in bullshit racism. You want to tell me I look like a Jew, its not mannerly. Its bullshit.

Because the differences you talk about have nothing to do with physical characteristics and Spanky with due respect don't tell me to read up on Jewish and Arab stereotypes of what we look like. I live it you don't. Seriously Spanky, Arabs and Jews we are the same people. We do not look different. We don't look any different. Jews can be Arabs. Christians can be Arabs. Muslims can be Arabs. Arabs and Jews are semitic peoples.. We share a common blood origin. Genetically we are related that way and its why our secondary physical characteristics vary the exact same way. What is even more ironic is Palestinians define themselves no diferent that Jews who call themselves Israeli. The way Arab is used today connotates not simply descending from the Arabian peninsula but the sharing of the Arabic language, the Koran, other things. In fact people tracing back to the Beduins probably the last true Arabs are a minority. Today's Arabs like Jews are unified by language, culture, sometimes religion, not always, literature, art. Some Jews indentify more with Arab culture then say Ashkenazi Jewish culture. Tsfardic or Mitzrahi Jews identify as Arabs. They read and speak the language. They eat similar foods. They have similar beliefs in music, art, dress. Its a racist stereotype to think Arabs or Jews look unique. Palestinians define themselves as a nationality not a tribe. Jews of Israel do not refer to themselves as the Hebrew tribe, they call themselves sabras (born in Israel, named after a cactus) or Israeli. You can have Christian and Muslim and Druze and Beduin and Bahaii Israelis. The identity is far more complex than you would think and its not based on physicality. I could plop you in the middle of Tel Aviv, Beirut, Amman, and you could swear it was the same people. That is because it is the same people. The agenda to have Arabs and Jews think they are different is bullshit. Our values differ on many things but not physical appearance. Save that for the KKK. For that matter if I were to sit here and pull out the Koran, Old and New Testaments I could show you identical passages not just different ones. It depends on what you look for, half empty or half full. I go back to the way Argus defines. I agree with it. Our values should be defined on whether we agree or don't agree with specific democratic values. That's a standard that should apply equally to all of us. Your disagreement with me is actually a minor one. I don't disagree there are differences just not a physical one. I think the difference between Arab peoples is actually born from different regional cultural values no different than say Newfoundlanders and British Columbians. Does a Newfy look different than a British Columbian? Well maybe they dress different. Maybe the accents are different. But they are both Canadian, both know the sea. See what I mean? What exactly makes them look different. Is it their nose shape or thinks like their folk stories, type of music, paintings, maybe food dishes?

With due respect not everything on the West Bank is decided by tribal identity and Palestinians are not a tribe, they are a group of people who identify as a national collective identity of people called Palestinians. Its not a tribe its a political national collective identity. Its become synonomous with a specific kind of Islam but not all Palestinians are Muslim and so the term tribe is bullshit. Christian Palestinians are not in the tribe of Palestinians. Jew of the West Bank who have lived in Hebron or other parts since Biblical days and are ultra-orthodox and don't recognize the Jewish state are as Palestinian as the Palestinian Christians and Muslims.

Bull shit. If you actually lived in the Middle East you would know better. You could not tell the difference between a Libyan and Italian, Algerian, Morroccan or Tunisian, Egyptian and Syrian, Iraqi and Iranian on and on. There is no one Arab look just as there is no one Jewish look or one Persian look. Arabs who could be Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Druze, Beduin, etc. have no distinct look,. There never has been one. One day in Israel or Jordan and 'd know that. Go on explain it like I asked Kactus. Explain what would be the physical differences between Egyptians and Syrians you would find. Explain. He can't, how about you? What nose shape, hair colour, skin tone? Bull shit. You can't. There is no distinct difference. Isn't it ironic I and Argus are called racist because we challenge physical stereotyping of Arabs. They do not have a distinct look. Clothing styles might change but there is no physically distinct characteristic. In fact your claim has been blown away in cross cultural workshops where no one could tell the difference between Greeks, Turks, North Africans, Persians, Arabs, Latinos, Jews, Italians, Irish, Roma and so on. The subjective stereotypes we come up with are not based on fact but subjective perception which is necessarily inaccurate. There are ample articles, books and studies on the myth of race, how we subjectively stereotype looks and what actual genetic traits that differentiate people are and those traits do not deal with skin tone, nostril shape, skin tone, hair texture. The genetic blood type of Jews and Arabs and Kurds is related. That's what defines genetic type. Calling Arabs physical different from each other is absolute bullshit. Its the very racist stereotypes elitist Arabs use to abuse darker skinned Arabs. Its bull shit. Of course I challenge it the same way blacks will tell you that you are full of shit telling them there is a certain black look. You know how many times I have heard in my life, funny you don't look Jewish. Its a crock. Its an absolute crock. Go on tell me does Doug Flutie look like an Arab? I can show you people from India that look identical like twin brothers to Ralph Nader and they are not Arab. I can show you Jews that look just like whites, Arabs, Italians, Greeks, Turks, Latinos, on and on. I guarantee you would not know the difference between a Mexican, a Brazilian, a Jew, a Jordanian and Iranian, a Yemeni an Iraqi. You think all Libyans look the same? Bull shit. I have seen blonde haired, blue eyed Arabs and Jews. I guarantee you that Siekh women and Arab and Latino women would be mistaken as one and the same. It all depends on the frame of reference you are using. Arabs are not distinct look anymore than anyone else is. Its their clothing, their religion, their political, cultural, economic, dietary values that might differentiate them. Been there done that. The crap you engage in is exactly why Arabs discriminate against one another. They buy into your crap. Its as negative as Haitiens defining their desireability by skin tone. This standard of defining people by skin colour, nose shape, its a crock of shit. The arguments Argus puts forth are about political and religious views that are fundamentally opposed to or in conflict with democratic values. He has the right to do that about Islamic values that clash as much as he does any other ethnic or religious group's values and no, this racist bullshit that its racist not to differentiate Arabs by their nose size or lip size is a crock of shit. But hey you and Kactus enlighten me. Tell me the physical differences. Please do.

Try read preceding posts before you come on this board and try engage me. It makes you look like an idiot. Now run along. I appreciate you need attention from me but you got your quota for the month.

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Now that Kactus has been outed as an apologist for the state of Iran and in his response to me has denied Iran persecutes or has persecuted Kurds, he can go to th 2017-2017 Amnesty International report and deny it. amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/iran/report-iran In fact Iran still openly persecutes Sufis, Bahaiis, Yaresan, Christian converts and Sufis. It openly engages in discrimination against Ahwazi Arabs, Azerbaijani, Turks, Baluchis, Turkmen as well as Kurds. For Kactus to come on this board and try deny this speaks for itself and his agenda. Let's be clear. His script he spews is not allowed to acknowledge how Iran treats its own citizens nor is he allowed to state Israel should exist as a Jewish state. Lol, you want to talk about paranoia, ask him what would happen to him if he stated he supports Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state or that Iran is a racist, bigoted state that tortures its citizens, journalists and hey in one case lashed minders for daring complain about employment conditions. Yah its one utopia.

1. I never stated all the countries I quoted were Arab League nations. 2. Claiming I don't give a hoot about Arabs when your sole purpose is to come on this forum and denigrate Israel for existing as a Jewish state and condoning the anti semitic comments on it is another example of deflection. This thread was not about me or Arabs it was about an accusation about Netanyahu being a racist when then was used to smeer all Israelis and the state of Israel's existence as racist then to attack me personally for being a Jew and believing Jews have a right to a Jewish nation. Try as you may to change the subject and deflect it does not. 3. The problem with Iran is not just Israel's problem but the world's problem as Iran finances terrorism across the world. I fact Iran is first and foremost a Muslim problem as Iran kills more Muslims than any other country through the financing of terror. 4. For you to deny Iran has killed and engaged in mass slaughter of Kurds speaks for itself. That is public fact and domain, just as its massacre and torture of Bahaiis, Zoroastreans, on and on. Your denial and defence of Iran should make it clear who you are and what your agenda is as do the comments on Saudi Arabia. 5. I certainly have more credibility than you discussing the Middle East. I have lived in Israel and volunteered on the West Bank and in Gaza on peace projects and had to clean up after a terrorist attack. That makes you to me a piss-ant, a poser, a jihadi arm chair warrior who doesn't have the balls to come out of the closet and explain his true agenda. 6. There is no physical difference in the Arab and Jewish peoples. They are of all physical characteristics. Your racist attempt to suggest they look difference should be condemned for the racist bullshit that it is. I do notice now you have admitted to your racist comment and no longer deny it. You are a racist. T he attempt to suggest Arabs look different than one another is bullshit. They look no different than anyone else ranging from pale white blue eyed to coal black with every shape of nose, every type of hair texture, etc. Your inference that Argus suggested all Arabs look the same is racist is the exact opposite. Its you trying to suggest there is a difference so you can engage in bullshit divide and conquer Arab elitism whereby people are defined by skin tone, nose shape. Muslims and Arabs can be some of the worst racists precisely because they engage in what you do this attempt to say people look different. Bullshit. The differences you try promote don't exist anymore than they do between anyone anywhere in the world. I unlike you lived with Beduins and Palestinians Druze, Kurds, Jews of all kinds No one could tell the difference looking at such people or me for that matter and and your kind of racism would define me as white when I know many Arabs who look just like me. 7. I don't speak on behalf of you and have never tried. I challenge what you say. 8. I don't respect your racism and attempts to stereotype what Arabs look like in any way shape o r fashion just as I reject your anti Semitism-for the exact same reasons. 9. I Have never hid and make it clear as can be I support the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state. I have also made it clear what Israeli state policies I don't agree with. Unlike you I don't pretend to be criticizing an anti Israeli policy but in fact go on to use that pretense to question Israel for existing as a Jewish state, and questioning me for being a Jew for believing Jews have a right to a collective identity expressed through a state. Unlike you I do not hide my ethnic identity, I put my opinions clearly out on the board and I have never like you smeered all Arabs, all Iranians, all Muslims as you have Israelis, Zionists and Jews. In fact the words you reproduced allegedly showing I smeered all Iranians, Arabs, Muslims did not show that at all. 10. I now call you out again as a liar and state clearly and unequivocally you will not state on this forum Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state. You won't because you don't believe it does. Your semantic bullshit that Israel has a right to a territory deliberately omits any reference to Israel being a Jewish state. You use the same avoidance phrase Hamas and the PA and al Muslim extremist anti semites use-a reference that makes sure never to acknowledge Israel as a Jewish state. You fool no one. 11. Calling me paranoid, is par for the course. Its what you do. You've called me racist, anti Arab, anti Iranian. You think if you call me names, it deflects from your racist depiction of Arabs, your bull shit semantic game about recognizing Israel, and your refusal to condone anti Semitism that was demonstrated on this thread. You came on this board to call names to deflect from anti semitic comments that had nothing to do with the subject of the thread. You demonstrate it each time you respond to me. 12. You are a coward. I have given you a chance to state you believe Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state, and all you can do is name call to deflect from the fact you won't say that because you don't agree with it. The more you respond and refuse to state that the more you show what an insincere and quite frankly useless propagandist you are. The one thing consistent about you jihadi arm chair warriors demanding people support Iran on this forum is you box yourself in a corner. You paint yourself in a corner with your hatred of Jews and Israel and you can't get out. Lol, go on, any time you want to explain why Arabs look different then one another and you know the difference, I am waiting, You still have not. Go on, state you recognize the right of Israel to be a Jewish state. You have been asked two simple things-you can't answer those two things-all you can do is name call me to avoid answering them-you can't answer them because your answers would reveal you to be an anti-Semitic, anti-Arab bigot. Let me tell you something about playing jihadi arm chair warrior with me. You are no legend. You haven't a clue who Persians, Arabs, Muslims, Jews, Israelis, Kurds, Zionists are. You are a sheltered mouthpiece whose reality comes from the internet and various web sites. Get it clear. When one picks up body parts after a terrorist attack there is no difference between Persian, Kurd, Jew, Arab, Muslim, Jew whatever. The fact you can't grasp that and Argus does speaks loudly. It speaks loudly to your herd mentality, a group psychosis, a hatred you think you have learned from someone who taught you your identity is predicated on hating Jews for being equals and having their own country. I don't speak for you,. I smell your odour and identify it. In the desert that smell carries hundreds of miles in the wind. Yoiu'd know that if you ever lived there. Legend my ass. Just a camel farting down wind.

No,

Muslim on Muslim violence is a fact. The Muslim war between Sunni factions is a fact. The Muslim war between Shiite factions is a fact. The Muslim war between Shiites v. Sunni Muslims is a fact, The Sunni Muslim and Shiite Muslim war against Ismaili and Amidyah Muslims is a fact. The Muslim wars and clashes with Hindus, Siekhs, Buddhists, Bahaiis, Zoroastreans,, Jews, Coptic, Assyrian and other Christians, Yazidis, is a fact The Muslim wars and clashes within China, Russia and former Soviet satellite republics is a fact. Muslim wars against Berbers, Kurds, non Muslim Africans is a fact. Domestic violence and sexual violence within Muslim families is a fact. Muslim racism and in fact the systemic practice if defining Muslims by tone of skin colour is a fact. The use of darker skinned Muslims from Africa, or the Phillippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan and Bangladesh particularly those with dark skin, as cheap expected labour is a fact. The thousands of years of wars and violence within Muslim societies and outside Muslim societies is a fact. The violence, intolerance and hatred shown to progressive Muslims against homophobia, sexism is a fact. Muslim sharia law implemented violence and terrorism against trade unions, worker's groups, human rights groups, is a fact. Muslim sharia law's open discrimination of non Muslims and defining non Muslims as khafir and dhimmi is out and out discrimination instituted within all its state and religious laws. Asking these questions, does it make someone anti Muslim? Does the fact I openly support progressive Muslims who question Muslim fascism and anti-Semitism make me anti Muslim? How is it the same Liberals who claim calling any Muslims terrorists is unfair don't recognize some Muslims are terrorists and by refusing to call them out-it empowers them to hide behind their religion and it flies in the face of what progressive Muslims are trying to challenge? How is it supporting fascist terrorist is the tolerant enlightened thing to do? What causes a Liberal to be so afraid of Muslims not to call certain ones out? The nature of this thread was to label all Jews as evil for creating a nation. I am not hear to defend Israel state policies that are flawed or unfair. I am here to unequivocally support its right to exist as a Jewish state and defend itself against Muslim jihadists or anyone else. Israel has many flaws but not one, not one Muslim country offers the rights to Jews and other non Jews, as Israel does for Muslims and non Jews in Israel. That is measured in objective fact such as Muslim Judges, access to hospitals, standard of living, level of employment, access to free legal representation, land ownership rights, access to schools, calorie in-take and diet, number of toilets, access to fresh water. Israel has issues. Its not perfect. But the people on this thread pissing on it take news articles they think are negative, to start the thread, then change the subject to attack Israel for existing as a Jewish state. The decision to attack my integrity as a Jew and ridicule my being a Jew is part and parcel of it and its why these same detractors won't disclose their own Muslim identities-precisely because they think people will find out their true agendas and beliefs. For every asshole with a stale scripted piss on Israel script is an example of a Muslim and Jew, Palestinian and Israeli getting along. Having Palestinians hate Israelis or vice versavdirectly benefitted corrupt Arab regimes focusing attention way from their failures and tyranny against their own people but it no longer works.

1. I am very open about by opinions on the Arab League of Nations, Algeria, Niger, Chad, Dahomey, Senegal, Malawi, Nigeria, Tunisia, Sudan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen. the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Phillippines in regards to extreme Muslim views practiced in these nations or by the applicable governments I mention. The difference is when I challenge the governments or the manner in which governments or area councils administer sharia law I make it clear it is governments, specific extremist Mullahs-Imams or terror cells I challenge, not the entire people of these nations. So to suggest I hide this is a crock of shit. 2. Nothing in what you provided and quote from me backed up your false allegations that I lump all Muslims, All Arabs, all Iranians, anyone as evil or Nazis. You took one statement I said and thought because I used the words "dark skinned " which was not originated by me, you could use those two words to smeer me as racist. In fact I challenged a poster in another thread on Canadian immigration who I felt unfairly suggested the only issues regarding immigration are simply racism against dark skinned people a phrase the other poster suggested not I and I was only responding to. 3.Next, no I do not want Boca Raton in this country. 4. I consider Iran a bigoted, facist, Muslim theocracy actively aiding terrorists kill across the world and in the Middle East and are responsible for wide spread hatred and even deaths of Kuds, Yazidis, Ismailis, Amidyah Muslims, Sunni Muslims , Zorosatreans, Bahaiis, Jews, Christians, gays, feminists, trade unionists, Berbers, Sand journalists. . 5. The fact I have the opinions expressed in 1-4 does not make me a racist. 6. Your continuing attempt to make allegations you can't prove with my words again evidences you simply try dettract from your own words I challenged, specifically your bigoted, anti-Semitic double standard against Israel for existing as a Jewish state and your blatantly ignorant and bigoted statement Jews look different. You accused me and Argus of being racist for arguing there was no physical difference and to date you will not rettract the statement and now you out and out deny it. 7. I have openly stated numerous times my opinions on the legal issues as to West Bank land title ownership and you now lie, out and out lie that I support or remain silent about illegal activities again repeating your technique to throw out false allegations to try get me to respond so we go off tangent and steer away from your original false statements so you can try cover up the fact you can't defend them. 8. Last but not least, I call you out now as a liar. If you claim as you are trying to, that you support Israel's right to exist as a Jewish nation, state it. You don't. I am saying you don't and never have and the only thing you are capable of doing and you do it in a clumsy and half assed manner is try play the games of deflection or spew ambiguous meaningless words about to couch and hide your true agenda, which is to deny Israel's right to exist as a Jewish nation, only come on the board with negative news items about it or when someone else provides one, to try then twist and change the thread to justify an indiscriminate attack against Jews for being Jews, Israel for being Jewish and Jews for being Zionists or in the case of anyone else, anyone who calls out Muslims, Arabs or Iranians who support anti-Semitism and terrorism .

1. Your continuous allegation I am anti Arab. anti Iranian, anti Muslim remain unproven by you.. You have been unable to provide one word from me to evidence these allegations but you continue to throw them out to deflect from your own bigotry. 2. You came on this board arguing Jews have a distinct look and so look different then Arabs. When I asked you to explain how we look, you of course panicked realizing if you responded further you would have to engage in negative stereotypes as to Jewish physical characteristics exposing you for that you are-a miserable bigot. The attempt to deflect from it by calling me or Argus bigots has not detracted one iota from your bigotry. 3. You stated " I have defended the rights of Israelis to their own territory." So has Hamas and the PA, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Iran. They also use the exact same phrase. Like you they do not support the right of Israel existing as a Jewish state, only as Muslim state with its own territory which is why you couched your words. You are dishonest and you play semantics. You do not support the right of Israel to be and exist as a Jewish state and never have. What you do support is Israel b eing turned into a Muslim state and the majority of Israelis being Muslim, so spare me the dishonest word games. Play that crap with someone else. 4. You want to call me paranoid I laugh. The anti semitic comments and taunts on this and other threads are there for all to see. Altai referring to me as a kafir and coming on a thread to change to subject to attack Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state is a fact. Eye telling me to go back to Israel and get out of his country of Canada is a fact. His posing as a Jew and being so stupid as to not know how and when to use the words Jew and Jewish when posing let alone having to then ask me speaks for itself. So does his and Hudson Jones attempting to suggest I am the big bad Rue of a Jew and no other Jew could possibly think like me0good Jews think like them. This coming from someone who referred to Zionism as a cancer that needs to be wiped out and then denied it was a violent reference to Israelis and yet to this day, Hudson Jones hasn't travelled to Israel to provide chemotherapy to Jewish Israelis. Then we have Ghost parsing articles to create false quotes and use a thread starter designed to smeer all Israelis as blood thirsty and make sure misquote so as to make it clear the blood thirsty Israeli he was questioning and suggesting all Israelis are the same as was a concentration camp survivor. It aint paranoia, its fact, and every time you want to come on this board and tell a Jew wat our place is in this universe, or what we look at or what a typical Jew is like Eye did or call me or any Jew the equivalent of a nig..er on this forum as Altai did, I will challenge it and call it out for what it is. 5. Oh I looked in the mirror and therein lies the problem. I look very close to you if not identical which is why I have to carefully take the time in life not just with words but in deeds to differentiate myself from what you stand for.

No and in fact a Jewish person would know why when I respond to you or anti semites why I word use the word Jew. You are not a fake Jew or a fake Jewish person, you are just a pathetic anti semite trying to bait Does it look like its working whether the tag team name of the moment name whether its Ghost or Hudson is gonnna bait me into a good Jew . bad Jew debate? Lol. How pathetic it must be you trying to pose as a Jew to bait someone and you can't even do that right.