Rue

There have been ad infinitum threads on it already that you have participated in. Knock off the bull shit. Stop trying to deflect from this failed thread's subject matter It's a little late for that. .

I have never stated taking about the settlements on the West Bank being a problem was anti semitic. Provide the words where I said that. You again engage in the transparent exercise of falsely attributing words to me I never stated to try deflect from the fact that the response by Marcus is a pathetic canned script and does not prove racism. You also are not just lying about what I have stated on this forum, but don't have the integrity to admit the settlement conflict is not about racism. This is why you have zero credibility and the alleged name changes are hilarious. No matter what the name of the moment is, the syntax, the deflections, identical. Go on I have called you out as a liar. Provide the words where I said talking about settlements on the West Bank was anti-Semitic. One point that has been brought up is why I have called you an anti semitic bigot-I have provided the exact words you have used and the false allegations as well. For someone who told me to go back to Israel, you think you are going to misquote why you were exposed on this thread as a blatant Jew hater? You want to refer to yourself as a patient Jew again or parse some more words out of context, hmmm? Let me be as clear as I can get. Questioning the legality of settlements on the West Bank is not necessarily anti semitic. This thread and the comments by the anti semites on it is including your hateful comments and its a little late at this time in this thread for you to even begin to pretend the anti Jewish hatred you have shown and others have illustrated on this forum and in this and other threads, is simply about questioning West Bank settlements. You've used this technique now to try deflect from your hatred of Jews repeatedly. Does it look like it deflects from what you have placed on this board? Yah right, Altai is talking about settlements. This thread was about settlements. Sure. What a pathetic attempt to apologize for the excrement on this board and your role in condoning and cheering it on.

Altai came on this thread and has on other threads and in one breath claims Muslim Turks or Muslims are being improperly spoken of on this forum with intolerance, then in the next breath ridicules other religions. This is someone who came on the forum quoted the Torah out of context to suggest Jews are barbaric and run around cutting off penises on a thread Ghost started that failed to distinguish between individuals running terrorist simulation camps and all Israelis. She also referred to me as a KAFIR but now claims again to argue Jews are “racist” and people on this forum discriminate against Muslim Turks. Lets be clear. Kafir is an Arabic word not a Turkish word but Altai chose to use it. You can find out what it means but it’s the equivalent of me coming on this forum calling people ni..ers and then in the next breath saying those ni..ers are racist against her. Let’s Kafirs are generally divided into two main groups, Dhimmis and Harbis. A Dhimmi is a Kafir who pays the Jizya (protection tax) and accepts the supremacy of Islam while given permission to live and practice his religion (only Judaism and Christianity) under strict rules. A Harbi is either 1) a Christian or Jew not willing to accept Islam or live as a dhimmi paying the jizya tax, or 2) a person from any non-Abrahamic faith or no faith at all, unwilling to convert to Islam. Harbis are transgressors on Allah’s earth and therefore open enemies to the Muslims who are sanctioned by the Quran to strive against such individuals until religion is only for Islam. So let us be crystal clear. Altai supports and advocates and is here to advocate Muslim beliefs that non Muslims are Kafir which is necessarily bigoted and discriminatory. Now this “Altai” who did quote the Bible out of context to suggest we Jews kill indiscriminately and grab penises and cut them off, will not of course quote the verses of the Koran she believes in such as: Q 9:28 O you who believe! The pagans are nothing but (najis) unclean, so they shall not approach the sacred Mosque...Allah not only refers to an entire group of humanity as unclean but forbids them from entering Islamic places of worship. Q 47:4 When you meet the kafir in battle, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make them prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favour or ransom them until the war terminates. Thus are you commanded. But if it had been Allah's will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them Himself; but He lets you fight in order to test you. Those who are slain in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost. Q 8:12 When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. Q 9:5: “Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.” Q 22:19-22: “for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods.” On the one hand this “Altai” quotes Bible verses to make Jews sound like savages who indiscriminately kill non Jews while at the same time “she” believes in the above. Now let’s summarize. Whatever the Israeli pisser name of the day is, Marcus, Kactus, Altai, the agenda is clear-they support a religion which defines all non Muslims as inferiors. The only way a Jew or Christian is allowed to live if they don’t convert is to pay a special tax and accept being an inferior second class citizen in the Muslim world. This is precisely the same reasoning that finds the notion of not only a Jew not paying tax and remaining inferior to a Muslim reprehensible but the very idea they could own land or have their own state and now gain this, makes us Harbis. India is a Harbi nation because of its Hinduism and Siekh prevalence. Mynammar-Burma, is a Harbi nation for being affiliated with Buddhism. The Christian sectors of the Philippines, Harbi controlled. Nigeria is seen by Boca Raton as half Harbi, i.e., all the non Muslim towns, cities, people. War is waged to this day in Sudan and Southern Sudan against animistic and Christian Sudanese. The same goes in in Niger, Chad, Dahomey, Mali, Senegal, Kenya, Somalia. Israel and any Jew who does not believe we should remain stateless and be subordinate to Muslims is considered Harbi. Israel’s very act of existing as a Jewishg state is the ultimate Harbi attack on Islam. However to a Muslim extremist fundamentalist, the Anglican nation of the United Kingdom, Protestant and Catholic associated states of Europe and Latin America-all Harbi abominations. The war Turkey engages in against Kurds, like the war Irag did and Iran still does is all about the Kurds being Harbi no different than Jews. The people who came on this thread to piss on Israel are the worst of bigots. This is why this thread is a joke. Its why Kactus doesn’t dare state he recognizes a Jewish state of Israel or will ever say a Jew has equal rights to a Muslim or vice versa. The very notion of saying this would condone Harbi behavior. This is why I call these contributors jihadi wannabe arm chair sofa pissantes. They think they have it all figured out. One is a Muslim and going to heaven and understands the true meaning or one is a Harbi, a loathsome enemy to be killed.

Again a classic example of "Marcus" providing a canned script and no response to the actual question, how is this land dispute, racist.

In fact it is not logical to presuppose laws base purely on what people want (consent) are logical. People consent to many things. Whether they have the capacity to fully understand the consequences of the decision attached to the consent is another story. In the matter Bush has posed, consent and desire are blurred into one meaning. What we agree to based on the desires of two consenting adults could be based on emotions and primal sexual feelings that a logical society may have to limit or prohibit. Let's start with the genetic reasons the law representing society may have to consider and impose to safeguard all of society. It is scientifically proven fact that the offspring of biologically related parents have higher rates of congenital birth defects and that means mother son, father daughter, sister-brother, first cousins, Even second cousins and nieces and nephews. All such offspring have been shown to have higher congenital birth defects or serious illnesses related to being to closely related. This is because such procreation increases the proportion of zygotes that are homozygous for deleterious recessive alleles that produce such disorders. UUnrelated marriage partners rarely will both be heterozygous carriers and we have genetic counselling these days. Because Ccose relatives due to genetic similiarity will share a large fraction of their alleles the likelihood of deleterious allele will be passed on in the child and therefore the diseases associated with this. In layman's terms, close genetic relations procreation will cause an increase in spontaneous abortions , perinatal deaths, and postnatal offspring with birth defects and added medical costs to the inbreeding family and society, Furthr any assumption close relatives having sex won't ever reproduce is illogical. It is also illogical to assume any close relative can form free consent to have sex with one another. From a psychiatric and psychological perspective, family relationships between brother and sister, parent and child, cousins, and for that matter these same relationships without biological formality but through adoption necessarily confuse the lines of sexual trust between family members. Without basic trust and physical boundaries set within a family with all its members, , there is no free consent, but confused messages. Incest violates a basic taboo of where sexual feelings is inappropriate. The arguments as to what is psychologically or psychiatrically deficient and harmful about incest are obvious and they are based on examining the consequences of such relationships. Having spent 30 years with children of incest attacks the consequences to them, for the rest of their lives I know as could any teacher, social worker, nurse, doctor, police officer, rape crisis counsellor tell you, devastating. They damage the very spirit and soul of people causing problems from such damage to escalate in terms of personal cost to the victim and costs to society to accommodate the behaviour flowing from this damage. I would also content that trguments that consent between adults precludes legal regulation ignore the physical and psychological consequences attached to this behaviour and how that negatively impacts not just on the consensual parties but society as a whole. As for first cousin marriages-there is ample evidence in Muslim societies as to the increased rates of certain genetic diseases in Syria, Pakistan, Iraq, etc., caused by in-breeding because first cousin marriages are acceptable in these Muslim societies. Its actually the same kind of medical issues seen with ultra orthodox Jews or Amish or other religiously fundamental societies that become too close knit- diseases where one's face is severely deformed, limbs are deformed, hearts, livers, kidneys and other vital organs are born with structural defects are all evident. Then there are the neurological diseases that lead to the spine and nerve system breaking down and the creation of dementia, mental retardation, or extreme psychiatric manifestations such as hallucination, personality disorder, violent behaviour., paranoia, lack of short or long term memory. In fact as we speak of the many Syrian refugees now here, many have latent genetic illnesses from first cousin marriages such as Guillen-Barre syndrome that will only show up in their late 20's as their spinal cords deteriorate. Deliberately engaging in close genetically related procreation when we have the knowledge to understand it creates suffering and disease which could be avoided is not logical. Also I don't need a religion or feigned moral debate to have come to the understanding phacking my sister is not going to cut it just because we say so. If I have to morally debate why incest is wrong for me that is just a bull shit pseuto intellectualization or denial process of what incest is and trying to pass it off as if it can be discussed in simple antiseptic free will terms. Sorry but I live in the here and now where incest is ugly. Surely none of us needs a Bible to reach us if we choose to be parents we have a sacred trust to cherish and raise our kids or other kids even once they reach 18, this does not mean we use our trust relationship to then use the familiarity that came from that to now have sex. How does one as a responsible adult switch off the parental and trust role and turn on the sexual role without exploiting the former? As for consent between adults who determines if it did not come about as an illusion caused by one of the parties using a familiar relationship to coerce the other into thinking she/he did so freely? What is the test? Or is someone telling me, we don't test this? If people need to be explained by incest is a sexual primal urge a society must as a whole learn to repress for that society to then be able to evolve civilly, then I would say its a bit late in the game to convince them as adults. If someone think its morally hip to write off phacking one's cousin as just one of those things in life, you clearly would not be interested in science or psychology-you've already decided for social, cultural and/or religious reasons its acceptable. I myself would not waste any time with you. Its the object of your sexual desires I would spend time with if I thought they wanted help. I am no moral crusader or preacher. I just help people avoid hurting themselves if and only if they ask for help. Morality is a premature consideration in a clinic when you have 5 minutes to talk down a suicide or try get someone from cutting themselves in a frenzy. In my world you don't have time to debate things. You live in the moment and in that moment you do what has to be done to put a flame out. You have no time to debate the origins or nuances of the reasons to light the match that caused the flame.

You of course won' get an answer from Kactus, Altai, Marcus, et al. One thing that you will find in common in all these piss on Israel threads, the accusations and allegations can never be backed up and so the people who throw them out try deflect and change the subject. If you look at this thread everytime Altai, Marcus, Kactus et al are asked to prove their allegation they change the topic by making new allegations or simply name call and avoid finishing the allegation. Zionism was never about race. In fact it was partially a response to the anti semitic accusation Jews were or are a race. Jews of course are a mix of every physical characteristic there is like any other human. Our genetic roots can be traced back to a blood type we share with other semites of whom now are called Arabs including Palestinians and possibly certain Persians or Egyptians although less likely. Semites could include Africans or Felashies and even Bombay Indians and certain Chinese not white Europeans. Tsfardic or Mitzrahi Jews are Arabs just no Muslim. Ashkenazi Jews are associated with white Jews because they went to Europe. The reality is you will find an Arab or Jew of every look. Regional clothing can make them differ. What we think makes them differ like nose shape or skin tone does not. Its a subjective perception not a genetic one. The term race as used by the idiots who come on piss on Israel threads was created because it was based on the false premises that we Jews defined ourselves as a distinct people chosen by God and therefore we considered ourselves better than non Jews and a distinct race. It is of course bull shit. The Biblical reference to chosen people had and has nothing to do with race. It was a story that said, if we Jews agreed to pray to God as a collective he would remember us as a collective. So we promised to worship God as a collective to be remembered by him as a collective. That is all it meant. In fact Judaism does not define Jews as better or superior to non Jews, Islam does. Its why Islam defines Jews as dhimmi, inferiors not able to own land or have a state or have he same legal rights as Muslims in Muslim sharia law states. Zionism never defined Jews as chosen or better. Its an apolitical definition of Jews being a political collective not a religious one. Its silent on Judaism the religion. Those Zionists that quote the Bible are a minority of a minority of Zionists rejected by mainstream Zionism and never part of original Zionism. They are in fact a sect that originated in Brooklyn New York with Meyer Kahane a founder of the Jewish Defence League and a bigot and hate monger who went on to find th Kache Party which fueled violent extremist Jews on the West Bank one who killed Yitzhak Rabin. There are individual Jews who hate Arabs in Israel. There are Arab Israelis who hate Israeli Jews. There are Palestinians that hate Jews and Israelis. There are Arabs that hate Jews. None of this is based on racism. Israel has experienced internal racism with its Felashie and African Jews or Arab or dark skinned Tsfardic Jews also called Mitzrahi r Arab Jews and Russian Jews who came from Russia. Within the Arab world, light skinned Arabs from North Africa Egypt, Qatar, Syria, Iraq, have used darked skinned African Jews or Fillipinos, Indonesians, Pakistanis or Bangla Deshis as manuals and discriminated against them based on their skin colour or perception of being inferior Muslims. To this day a slave trade of Muslims from Dahomey, Senegal, Tanzania, Nigeria, Mauritius. Chad, Niger, Mali, Sudan to name a few nations are shipped of as cheap labour to build the lavish lifestyles in Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE. You want an eye opener, you need to see how these individuals are shipped in planes or boats and how they are treated. Race is not a Jewish construct or a Zionist one. Never has been. Its not supposed to be a construct in Islam as well. The original Jews would have moved from Mesopotamia. They would have been dark skinned and Indian looking probably no different then Arabs. Subsequent Mongolian. Greek, Roman, European invaders would have mixed with all peoples of the Middle East through rape from wars or consensual sex. Other Jews and Arabs were black Africans. The intermixing caused variations in secondary physical characteristics but not genetic ones, that Middle East blood type remained. Zionism was falsely defined as saying Arabs were inferior by the very Muslim extremists who believe Jews are inferior to Muslims. It was designed to deflect from their actual belief in Jews being inferior by Muslims. The same people on this thread who call Zionism racism won't ever acknowledge what dhimmitude is and how it is in fact Islam through Muslim sharia law states that define Jews as inferior. They won't acknowledge Muslim and Christian Jews have all the legal rights no Jew to this day has in any Muslim country.

The Superman response from Kactus is the tip of the iceberg. Here is a list of Jewish superheroes I am allied with: Atom Smasher (formerly Nuklon of Infinity, Inc.) (DC Comics) Batwoman (Kate Kane) (DC Comics) Colossal Boy of the Legion of Super-Heroes (DC Comics) Doc Samson (Marvel Comics) Firestorm (Martin Stein) (DC Comics) Justice (formerly Marvel Boy of the New Warriors) (Marvel Comics) Masada (Team Youngblood) The Monolith (DC Comics) Nite-Owl II (DC Comics Alan Moore's The Watchmen) Prime (Malibu Comics) Rue, (also known as Zio-Man, the Man of Euetectic Steel, Altai-Smasher, Ghost Buster) Ragman (DC Comics)—Ragman (miniseries) #1 Oct. 1991 DC Comics Sabra (Marvel Comics) Seraph of the Global Guardians (DC Comics) Shadowcat (Kitty Pryde) of the X-Men (Marvel Comics) Songbird of the Thunderbolts (formerly Screaming Mimi) (Marvel Comics) The Annointed One (DC) The Thing (Ben Grimm) of the Fantastic Four (Marvel Comics) Volcana (Marvel Comics) The Escapist Wiccan—born to Reform Jews Jeff and Rebecca Kaplan, raised Jewish; reincarnated grandson of Magneto (Marvel Comics) + these are like me, Jewish but no we don't practice conventionally our religion: The Atom, Iceman, Magneto, Quicksilver, Phantom Stranger, Sandman, Polaris, Scarlet Witch also Go-Go Girl, Songbird. Northguard, Mind Boggler, Achilles, Bedlam (Bermuda Schwarz), Dust Devil, Doctor Fate, Grasshopper, Boogieman, Silhouette, Ultra Boy, Arsenic, Green Lantern 2 (Hal Jordan), and Robin who was half Jewish, half Catholic. Then there is the Jewish Hero Corps: Menorah Man, Magen Vaid, Minyan Man, Shabbas Queen, Draidel Maidel, Kippa Kid, the capped crusader, and Matzah Girl (Hyper Girl) + Private Izzy Cohen of the Howling Commandoes, Greenberg the Vampire, Dybbuk, Jewcano, and Sasquatch

Well then is it me or does this sound like someone from the Borg. Resistance is futile. You will join the collective. Indeed, when one disagres with something, calling it false propaganda is one way to avoid having to debate it. The other is just dismissing the source of the quotes as well with no counter debate. That kind of intellectually dishonest response which refuses to debate and simply name calls should show the person being communicated to has no interest in any opinion but its own. The contention a Kurd is a Turk or an Iranian coming from extremists from both countries who support regimes trying to engage in the genocide of Kurds is past absurd. http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/culture-miscellaneous/differences-between-kurds-and-persians/ http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/culture-miscellaneous/differences-between-kurds-and-the-turks/ Herein lies the irony. These pathetic jihadi arm chair warrior pissantes came on this board to smeer all Israeli Jews as being racist for believing in their right to live in a Jewish state of Israel as being Nazis in one breath and asking people to define Kurds by extremists from Turkey and Iran who support their respective nation's treatment of Kurds speaks for itself. As we speak the regimes of Turkey and Iran are engaging in systemic persecution and mass murder of Kurds. Israel which is called a Nazi regime because it defends itself against Palestinian terrorists unlike Iran and Turkey recognized the right of Palestinians to not just a nation in Jordan with 90% of land illegally taken from Jews to create a Palestinian state, but also agree to a second Palestinian state on the West Bank and in Gaza. All Israel has asked in return is that Palestinians stop terror attacks and recognize the right of Israel to be a Jewish state and give up the notion they can send 4-8 million Muslims who subjectively with no test simply identity as Palestinian although never born in Israel, the right to return to pre 1967 Israel and have land taken from Israelis and given to them and Israel can remain but not as a Jewish state for an interim basis until it amalgamates with Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza all ruled by either the PA or Hamas. The Kurds do not have a charter that states their mission is to take over all of Iran and Turkey and turn it Kurdish. The Palestinians have numerous charters from Hamas the PA and over 300 terror cells stating their mission is to take over all of Israel and Jordan and turn them into a Sunni Muslim state. The Israelis are accused of being Nazis and engaging in genocide against Palestinians and yet the Palestinian population on the West Bank and in Gaza under Israeli occupation sky rocketed to the point for every Israeli born there arr 30 to 100 Palestinians born. That's one hell of a genocide. Hamas and PA use its children as ground cover, schools, hospitals, Mosques, ambulances, as military supply depots, attack headquarters and barracks for terrorists, the Kurds do not. Israel as we speak provides free access and medical care to Palestinians. This pathetic attempt to smeer Israel as racist in a part of the world where Kurds, Jews, Zoroastreans, Bahaiis, Christians, Coptics, Berbers, Asyrians, Druze, atheists, trade unionists, journalists, femnists and gay/lesbians have all been the subject of death and torture by Islamic regimes is a phacking joke. Arafat' statement to the world he negotiated in bad faith during all peace talks and the Israelis and Americans should have known he would never despite what he said live peacefully with any Jew anywhere on the planet is public domain. This is the position Abbas now supports. This is the position Hamas now supports. The PA and Hamas as well as Iran and Syria are in a declared state of war with Israel precisely because it is Jewish. A war against a state for being Jewish by numerous states that are Muslim or by terrorists who support Muslim states is called a war against racism because if a Jew has a state, its racist but if a Muslim has one its not racist. Never mind Jews and Arabs are not a race. According to the jihadi arm chair geniuses on this board, we are distinct races who look different and so do Turks, Kurds, etc. Oh but wait, "Hudson Jones" will be back to set me straight or will it be Altei or Kactus or Marcus, lol.

Speaking about slow, let's just say In regards to comment 1, you did not understand what I said. Whether that is because you are slow or your translator doesn't explain nuance, I leave to you. Nuance, sarcasm, being satirical, being tongue in cheek, its hard when you realy on a translator to pick such things up when your mother tongue is not English. Next in regards to your second comment, you provided articles that supported my initial argument that any genetic differences beteen Arabs. Jews, Persians would be invisible to the eye. Not only do you quote articles that support my position, but then you now continue to repeat the ridiculous racist contention you made that Arabs, Jews, Persians look different because of genetics. I asked you to explain how we "look" diferent and you still can't explain, but you do provide essays that say the genetic differences would necessarily be invisible to the human eye. That's one hell of a deflection. Now look up the word PUTZ in your Yiddish translator. In regards to comment 3, no Kurds are not and have never been Iranian. You can pretend all you want they are but they are not. Kurds identify themselves as distinct from Iranians and always have. They feel the Iranian citizenship forced upon their Northern Iranians is a British colonial creation. They feel Iran is an artificial British colony invented by taking a Kurd region, a Sunni region and a Shiite region and stacking the Kurds on top, the Sunnis in the Middle and the Shiites below and calling it Iraq, a monarchy created by Britain to place on of Prince Faisal's son's as its King as pay back for Faisal ripping up an agreement to create a Muslim state side by side a Jewish one in the Middle East. As part of that deal, Britain also seized 90% of Palestinian illegally, called it Trans-Jordan, placed Faisal's other son as King of that nation, then pledged the area known as Saudi Arabia today, to the remainder of Faisal's klan. They then created puppet monarchies in what is now Kuwait and the UAE. Iran as its called was a British colonial reinvention of ancient Persia. The Kurds believe the British colonial borders that created Iraq, Iran and the French colonial borders that created Lebanon and Syria all created as part of the Picot agreement by the Britidsh and French from preventing Jewish and Muslim states living side by side bloacking out the need of the French or British to intervene prevented Kurds from their own state. The Kurds also believe the current State of Turkey, the former state of the Ottoman Empire, created borders that unfairly seized and conquered Kurdish land. The Kurds have always stated the Turks, Iraqis and Iranians as well as former Soviet Union all waged wars against the Kurds so as to control their oil and independence. No Kurd claims to be a Turk or Iranian or Russian even if the citizenship of those nations is imposed on them. Turks and Iranians impose their governments on the Kurds to prevent them from being independent. Iraq now is essentially a failed nation with a continuing civil war between Sunni and Shiite with the Kurds in de facto separation. So you can repeat that lie as much as you want and even flip back and forth from the term Persian and Iranian, as if they mean one and the same thing, but the fact is Kurds are not Iranian. If you use the term Persian only to mean geographic region they could be called a type of Persian. If you use the term to mean Persian, as in a citizen of the nation of Persia then no Kurds never considered themselves and do not consider themselves Persian. The reason for that is simple. Jews, they were treated as inferiors, second class non citizens within those nations. Zoroastreans refers to a religious belief only. Kurd refers to a people who have a culture, an ethnicity, their own language, their own religion. These components are much more than that having a religion and NO the culture and language of the Kurds is not and has never been the same as the Persians. Their religion is different, their language is different and no Kurd will allow an Iranian or Turk to define their identity as if it does not exist independently of Iranians and Turks. The fact that Iranian and supposed Turkish extremists come on this board to deny their distinct national identity is no different than what they do with Jews. In regards to your comment about me "attacking" Altai, did you really think you needed to call on what you claim is an *18 year old Turk" to defend you? If that is not WWE tag team stupidity what is it? Look at the stupidity this "Altai" has responded with. You think that made your deflections credible? Do you think your refusing to acknowledge Jews have the right to live in a Jewish state in Israel has been detracted from and hidden? You lied. You came on this board and said you recognize an Israeli territory but you are such a liar, you can't come back now and say when you said Israeli territory you meant a Jewish Israeli state. You got caught red handed lying yrying to play bullshit semantics to make it appear you support the Jewish state of Israel's right to exist. You've been exposed as lying and only supporting an Israeli state if its not Jewish. Go on tell the board you recognize a Jewish Israeli state. Prove me wrong. Lol you can't. You just exposed yourself to be a racist yet again. You respond to me now trying to pass off my very argument that the genetic differences between semites, Turks, Kurds, Iranians would be invisible to the eye, and even produce articles proving that point and my original assertion, but you try dishonestly to make that sound as if it was your argument and proves Arabs. Jews, Kurds, etc. look different. When asked repeatedly explain why we look different you can't and in fact the only thing you've done is to produce articles to prove we don't look different. How many more of these bull shit responses will you make to me? You have now proven from your silence you are a coward and have been caught lying. You don't support the right of a Jewish state in Israel and in fact attack all Jews on this thread including me for believing we have the right to a state. You continue to claim we Jews look different from Arabs but you are so bloody inept at your attempts to incite hatred between us, you can't explain those alleged physical differences Now you add to this idiocy by claiming Kurds are Iranians. You aren't just an anti-Semite, you don't just physically stereotype Arabs and Jews and don't have the balls to finish your stereotype we look different, now you want to show you are ignorant of Kurds. Finally, my comments as to Muslim extremism don't just apply to Iran's regime they apply to many other regimes as I stated. I never singled out Iran and only discussed its regime when it was raised not by me but you and others by deflecting from the actual contentions you made and can't back up. By the way if you want to dress as a woman, or think perky breasts and full open faces are consistent with women posing as Muslim fundamentalists you bet I mock it. Its pathetic enough you ask for me to have Turkish and Iranian extremists define what a Kurd is, but you have to tag team with a supposed Muslim extremist from Turkey who shows perky breasts and a full face. You bet I will keep pointing out how ridiculous that is. Its as lame and pathetic and cowardly and stupid as you trying to claim you support the state of Israel in one breath then attacking all Zionists in the next breath. Its as stunted and imbecilic as claiming Arabs, Jews, Kurds etc. look different, then providing articles to show our genetic differences would not make us look different, then in the breath after that, repeating we look different again. Its legendary for sure.

Oh look who'has come on the board to engage in holocaust inversion and anti semitic baiting. This summarizes the above: http://zionismontheweb.org/antizionism/ZionistNazis.htm.

I am not sure, the above words require a translator, but I think it has something to do with oral hygiene practices.

There we go, nuanced, in depth analysis. Listen I have to intervene. Spanky is not a sex object. Stop objectivizing his ass. Speaking of sexism I do appreciate the avatar of "Altai" posing as a Muslim fundamentalist now shows breasts. How does that work? Is that really consistent with a Muslim fundamentalist the avatar supposedly shows? Listen I like the"Lol. Whuattttt? references and giggling emoticons. It does try add an air of authenticity to the role. " At my age the only thing constant giggling from perky breasts does is annoy the snot out of my prostate." Rue, p.67, c. 3, "Do You Really Want To Be A Sugar Daddy", Tel Aviv: Zio Rabid Dog Press, 2017

Probably yes. But the genetics we talk of now are invisible to the eye and the insistence we define people by how they look, is an antiquated subjective illusion which was based on the actual belief physical appearance traits are a genetic difference and can be generalized according to where people live. Its been proven nonsense by science. You know if we want to get technical we all are related genetically somehow and some closer to others. The nose shape or skin colour means nothing and cross cultural image tests have shown no human is capable of properly picking out face characteristics to match alleged "race" a subjective construct. The best I have seen at facial recognition are counter-terrorists who scan the crowds in certain airports in Israel or border agents on the Mexican borders in California. The first thing they were trained is to understand there was no fool proof method and that face recognition is illusionary. They look for repeating patterns but even those patterns are not reliable. They just use them as a red flag or a possibility.. I saw a border guard on the Tijuana border crossing in San Diego pick out my colleague and identify him as being a Quebecer from Quebec City based on his glasses and jeans. He had lived in Toronto for years but bought both in Quebec City where he was originally from. We studied him for part of our cross cultural studies on face recognition He could pick out regions from where Mexicans came from. Peruvians, Columbians, and so on, things you and I would find invisible and most people chalked it up to his understanding bone structure or lips. After in depth analysis it was in fact him picking up clothing differences, body posture, tone of accent from repeat exercise and exposure to a constant surging line of humanity coming across his desk. The things we think make us different i.e., nose shape are illusionary. We might be able to define people's religion, culture, politics, gender, gender preference by appearance of clothing or posture but physical facial differences and skin colour to not remain distinct to define a genetic prototype and never have. Its actually a racist construct to argue an Arab looks different than a Jew suggesting we have different physical chacteristics based on genetics. This is the same bullshit argument white supremusts and racists of all ethnic groups make to argue hatred and justification for political and religious beliefs that define certain peoples as inferior. Let's not play. The Koran is interpreted by Muslim extremists literally to mean Jews look different and are inferior in every way. It fuels the same mentality against Kurds, Christians, Bahaiis, etc. Its a loathsome antiquated pack mentality, herd mentality belief-we should expect that of primates like Chimpanzees, Baboons, oher pack animals like hyenas and Muslim extremists or any religious extremists or racists. On this forum there was an attempt to slur Argus for saying people in the Middle East physically do not look different. When called out on it Kactus engaged in this idiot defence of quoting invisible to the eye genetic differences to argue Arabs and Jews look different. In one thread he says we look different, then in the very next response says he never said that and then repeats we look different again in he sentence after that. I have asked him repeatedly on this thread to indicate the physical differences between Jews and Arabs and Turks and Kurds, etc., he can not. He deflects repeatedly He's tried to refer to you to defend him and now what he refers to as an "18 year old Turk" whose contributions are self evident. Marcus, Kactus, et al, came on this thread to smeer all Israelis as racists for being Zionist, pure and simple. They used the lead in that Netanyahu is a racist and within one post switche dto pissing on Jews for thinking they are entitled to a Jewish state. Kactus et al are on this forum to engage in denying Jews the right to a Jewish state and using this board to engage in anti semitic references as to all Jews, not just Zionists and Israelis and the trajectory and content of the responses including the Jew baiting of me speak for itself and it was not very hard to draw out. Now just so I explain this, when Hudson Jones calls me a child, this is another code Muslim extremists use which in their language signifies the belief that Jews are inferior and can be talked down to. I understand it. Whether you do or not, I do. These responses are just arm chair jihadi warrior wannabees thinking its fun to insult Jews. It makes them feel they are united and have a cause. My role is to simply expose the agenda which I have. These idiots are not hard to pull of script and have their emotions of hatred towards Jews, ooze out. I have been ringing the bell to salivating dogs to get them to expose their actual hatred for a long time on this forum. Its not very hard and they never fail to answer the bell with the salivation of anti Semitism flowing from their lips if may speak poetically as one rabid Zio shit dog to an alleged team of different individuals pissing on Israel. Lol. I've always found it hilarious how many members of the "tag team" show up to respond to moi. I feel like Andre the Giant or the BIg Show in a handicap match only it really is a handicap match given who it is they put in the ring with moi. Here comes another Zio pile driver against "The Legend". Listen Spanky, all that matters is Jesse Ventura ring side approves of me and he does. What all these tag team members need is Bobby the Brain Heenan to help them organize their thoughts. This Abdullah the Butcher routine is ridiculous.

They have cultural similiarities for sure. However to call a Kurd an Iranian is like calling them a Turk. The Kurds in Northern Iran and the Kurds in the top part of Iraq and within Turkey do not consider and have never considered themselves Turks or Iranians or Persians. Calling Kurds Persians or Iranians is a code extremists on this board use between one another as a chuckle. They detest Kurds and their desire to be independent and want them crushed. As we speak Iran engages in a war of terror against its Kurds as does Turkey. The Kurds in fact from the North or Iran are being persecuted en masse because Kurds from that area are righting the Assad regime in Syria which is a protectorate of Iran. I am sure you are aware of all of that. Kurds have more similiarities with Jews than they do Iranians or Turks in that the Arab and Iranian world detests them and does not want them to have their own country. In fact Erdogan turned on Israel for supporting them. The Obama regime made a mess of relations with Kurds. On the one hand it allied with them and armed them as the principle fighter against ISIL in Irag and Assad in Syria on the other hand looked the other way when Erdogan thought they became too powerful and formed an alliance with Iran to crush them at the same time as supporting Al Nussra the Al Quaeda wing fighting Assad in Turkey. Erdogan has flipped and flopped each day depending on who he thinks will contain radical Sunnis like ISIL who he helped train and lost control of, and who will wipe out Kurds. So for him to fight Iran in one theatre in Syria and ally with them in another against the Kurds is what its all about in the Middle East and a scenario Netanyahu wanred Obama over and over again to stay out of. The current US regime has not yet defined a Middle East strategy due to the turmoil in the White House, but the default strategy of having the US Armed Forces have more control on the ground in the interim and not rely on politicians has meant they have formed a better alliance with the Kurds and this is why Erdogan ran to Putin asking them for help to contain the Kurds since the US will not. In all this turmoil Justin Trudeau did one thing write. The strategy to pull out the bombers and concentrate on the ground assisting Kurdish fighters with Canadian special forces is valuable. Its enabled some very real defeats of ISIL on the ground and the Kurds are a reliable ally to the West in containing ISIL and radical Islamist extremists. Saudi Arabia flip flops on them and is a reluctant ally right now because Egypt, Israel and Jordan see them as a valuable ally in containing not just ISIL, but Iran, Turkey, Hezbollah. As a fighting force, Kurds h ave developed a solid reputation. They didn't have equipment, but their knowledge of the desert and their realization they are fighting a war to prevent their extinction by hostile Islamic regimes gives them an added intensity much like the Israelis have When you are surrounded by people trying to wipe you out, the imperative to fight to survive gives you an intangible strength the Islamic Jihadi do not have but claim to have. On the ground the Kurds have proven to learn quickly and engage in fierce ground incursions without retreat or fear.

In regards to the first sentence. Thanks. Now I know you are not the same person as Kactus. That makes it clear. Especially the happy face message Turk to Iranian on Kurds. (tee hee). In regards to the second sentence thanks for the meaningful input from someone who called me a kafir on this forum So let's summarize: 1-to date, Kactus has still not stated he supports a Jewish state in Israel; 2-to date Kactus has still not stated how Iranians, Jews, Arabs, look different but keeps claiming they do; 3-Kactus has provided articles that show the very position I first stated, that any genetic differences would be invisible to the naked eye and then right after quoting them again repeats, Turks, Jews Arabs, etc., LOOK different; 4-Kactus needs to call in the big guns, "Altai" who he refers to as an "18 year old Turk" who poses with an avatar showing her full face when she claims to be a fundamentalism Muslim and "Altai" who has me on hold, well and I quote; "Lol. stop using y name, I see who talks about me n the search section."-yes that certainly establishes how if she does not read my posts, reads them and comes to the rescue;. 5-Altai claims to be a religious Muslim and repeatedly uses the word shit in her responses which no religious Muslim would; 6-Altai used the derogatory racial slur, kafir which is an Arab and not Turkish word when Turks when insulting Jews use the word Yehudi and add an adjective; 7-the latest deflection is to argue I brought Iran into this thread, there were no other attempts to deflect and change the topic; 8-oh but wait my fave of faves- posers of Turks and Persians now lecturing me that Kurds are Iranians and Persians and the Iranian and Turk regimes have not been engaged in persecuting and massacring Kurds; 9-to deflect from their idiotic assertion that the Turk and Iranian regimes are not massacring and persecuting Kurds, yet another false allegation that I claimed or suggested Iraq;s governments in including Hussein have also wiped out Kurds. 10-its now a mixed tag team match with Kactus having to call in the big guns to help him battle the Zioshit. Lol. He sends and I quote from him an "18 year old Turk" to tell me what a Kurd is? Lol. She sure did an excellent job. Now I know. 11-This is new ammunition for my next treatise, The Turko-Tranny Wars. 12- Shazam! (referring to the tag team name they yell out when switching from one to the other in the ring ) Question of the day: Does Shazam look like a: a-Jew b-Turk c-Kurd d-Justin Trudeau Friday night out with the boys e-Zioshit. Please send all answers to Altai.. Regards, Look up in the skye, its a North Korean missile, an Iranian jet fighter.....no... its..... ZIO MAN able to melt steel, control Banks, the US government and write Hollywood porn at the same time! Regards, Avi (on leave of absence from Ray Donovan's office)

Hey once we are on the topics of racism and Kactus now calling Kurds Persians and asking me to ask a Turk about them. Turkey, Iran and Iraq have been persecuting and murdering Kurds and denying their heritage for hundreds of years. Uh yah I will go speak to Ghost and Tax me or some neo Nazis about my Jewish identity. Makes sense. The idiocy that is passed off on this board by the arm chair jihadi wannabees is pathetic. Kurds and Persians have distinct languages, Kurdish for Kurds, Farsi for Persian. Their culture, art, religion and completely different. Kurds come from the indigenous peoples of the Mesopatain plains. They are a people who never lived centrally in one place. Persians on the other hand come from the Aryan peoples and early on centralized in towns/villages/cities. Their civilizations and histories are unique. The current Iranian regime has waged a ruthless war of extermination and expulsion of them on its Northern borders. Iran has had temporary alliances with the Turks in their mutual war against Kurds and trying to exterminate them. Sadaam Hussein of Iraq also tried to exterminate them. Kurds are situated on the top part of Iraq and of course in Turkey. Turkey is currently at war with them. Ask a Turk what a Kurd is. Yah next I will ask a dog to explain a cat to moi. Hey I know, I'll ask Ghost to explain to me what Judaism is. Lol. Hey I am gonna get Michael Jackson's daughter to explain to me what a person from Tonga is. I think she is 18 too.

In regards to your first comment of course you did. You said racism was in my genes. That necessarily means all Jews are racists. If you are going to make anti semitic insults have the balls to not try deny them a post later. Lol In regards to your second comment you said there were no Persian Jews. Now again its not a post later and you deny you said that. Your words are there. Trying to deny them the very next post is stupid. In regards to comment 3, I call you out again as a racist liar. You will not come on this board and state a Jew is equal to a Muslim or Jews have a right to a Jewish state in Israel precisely because you are an anti semitic bigot who has been brought up to believe in dhimmitude. Go on who is stopping you from stating you recognize the right for Israel to be a Jewish state or Jews or equal to Muslims? Your inability to say both makes you a transparent manipulative liar. In fact your inability to admit a Jew is equal to a Muslim is hilarious. In regards to comment 4, What are the distinct features that make "them" different? Who is "them" and what distinct features do you refer to. I have asked repeatedly and you refuse to state these distinct features-you can't state them because you don't have the balls to come on this forum and list the distinct physical features you refer to. Its like your inability to state a Jew is equal to a Muslim or you recognize the right of Israel to be a Jewish state. You can't state these things because you are someone who has been caught red handed being an anti-Semite and stereotyping now not just Jews but Arabs as having specific looks. Go on spit it out, what are the differenes? Lol this is your what 8th post to me now and you can't respond once to the allegations and claims you made to prove them. Does it look like you have avoided them? Does it look like you have deflected away from your racism and anti Semitism? In regards to comment 5, I don't have to expose you, you stand there with your pecker, out of your pants. You might want to put it back in. Its obvious what your shortcomings are. Here l et me explain it simply, every time you respond you refuse to: 1-state you believe Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state and when asked, change the topic and refuse to state this; 2-state Jews and Arabs and Persians and Turks look different, then asked what makes them look different you change the topic and refuse to answer. In regards to comment 6, now you want to state Kurds are Persians and not Kurds? Is that where you are at now? Now let's see, do they look different or do they just use the name Kurd and want to become independent of Iran, Iraq and Turkey for for the hell of it. A Kurd is now a Persian and I should ask a Turk? Lol, a Turk? Again do you think speaking to me like that washes? Are you that racist you think Westerners don't know the difference between Kurds, Turks, Persians, Arabs and Jews? Lol. See the difference between you and me is I do not come on this board as you do trying to play this pathetic game of deflection and talking in circles to pretend I didn't say what I did. Comment 7, now you admit Iran discriminates against Kurds oh but hey not because they are Persian right? Lol. Do you even read your responses to me. Hah. Comment 8 yah you should have known and should know-your refusal to state you believe Israel has the right to be a Jewish state in Israel pre 1967 coupled with your comments about Jews and Zionists makes you a lying anti semite. Your repeated comments Arabs, Persians, Jews, etc., look different and now Kurds are Persians and refusing to point out what makes us look different shows you are a gutless racist who alleges physical characteristic differences but then when asked to state them, deflects and runs and hides. You are a pissante and calling on Altai for help as you did is hilarious. How about instead of hiding behind "her" and having her do your battles jihadi arm chair w with Omaarrior you call me kafir directly. Lol. 18 year old Turkish girl hah. We call them trannies in Canada when they dress up like that. Prime Minister Trudeau and Finance Minister Marneau can explain that further to you at the next Liberal gathering with Omar no not Mr. Kadr, Mr. Alleghbra. Lol. Omar. Its like Rue. Its a very common name. It gives us away.. You don't need to look at our lip size to know our ethnicity. By the way when you debate, its a good idea you don't quote articles on genetics that back up what I say and directly contradict what you said. Its kind of silly. Its also past stupid for you then to pretend you argued from the get go you were only referring to blood type differences which are invisible to the human eye in one breath and then in the next repeat you racist bullshit that we Jews and Arabs look different. But hey I like that one about telling me to ask a Turk to tell me a Kurd is a Persian.

No he never said that. He actually said natives are often treated worse. How dishonest of you to misquote him. Hey now tell me, how many reservations have you been to. Do you know what a Cree looks like? How about a Micmac or an Ojibiway. Ask Kactus. They look just like Turks and Jews but definitely not Kactus or you right?

I don't think everyone is inferior to me, I don't shower with everyone to be able to draw such conclusions. Lol, do you think the Mossad deleted it?

Oh one last thing. I love the technique of quoting Ben Gurion out of context to suggest, lol, he was not a Zionist, or he was anti Arab or Zionism is evil, etc. Lol. Quotes. So drum roll here we go its TIME TO PLAY LETS MAKE QUOTES WITH YOUR HOST HUDSON JONES, brought to you by ISRAELI BONDS and MANISCHEVITZ WINE. Uh nah I pass. I prefer watching Judge Judy.

Here is the other except because I know Hudson Jones and Hot Enough will thoroughly read it. Lol. "Another of the big lies that are being passed off as truth by politics and mass media is the "Palestinian refugees" issue: the allegedly "native" population that were "evicted" by the Israelis. Actually, in 1948 the Arab so-called refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders, who promised to purge the Land of Jews. Almost 70 % of them left without having ever seen a single Israeli soldier. On the other side, nothing is said about the Jewish refugees that were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms. As soon as the State of Israel was founded, hundreds of thousands of Jews were expelled from every Arab country, mainly Yemen, Iraq and Egypt. The Mizrachim, also known as Babylonian Jews, were living in present-day Iraq since the Babylonian exile in the 6th century b.c.e., the Teymanim or Yemenite Jews were settled in the Sabean Kingdoms long before Roman times. Arabs have expelled them from the lands where those Jews were living for many centuries! The number of Arab so-called refugees that left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000, while the Jewish refugees that were forced out from Arab lands is estimated to be some more than that... Nevertheless, the UN has never demanded from Arab states to receive the Jews that were settled there for many generations and to restore their property and to provide them employment. Meanwhile, the so-called Palestinian "refugees" were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab countries to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory (Israel's extension is less than 1% of the territory of all Arab lands). Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, the so-called Palestinians are the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. On the contrary, Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel. The truth is that the Arab League keeps the Palestinian refugees issue as a political weapon against Israel, with which they continue to fool the United Nations and propagate their perfidious policy. The proofs of such intention are given by Arab sources themselves: At a refugee conference in Homs, Syria, the Arab leaders declared that «any discussion aimed at a solution of the Palestine problem which will not based on ensuring the refugees' right to annihilate Israel will be regarded as desecration of the Arab people and an act of treason». In 1958, former director of UNRWA Ralph Galloway declared angrily while in Jordan that «the Arab states do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to keep it as an open sore, as an affront to the United Nations, and as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders do not give a damn whether Arab refugees live or die». King Hussein, the sole Arab leader that directed integration of the Arabs, in 1960 stated: «Since 1948 Arab leaders have approached the Palestine problem in an irresponsible manner.... They have used the Palestine people for selfish political purposes. This is ridiculous and, I could say, even criminal». Between 1948 and 1967, the Arab flow into the Israeli territories occupied by them (Judea, Samaria and Gaza) was intensified. The UNRWA reported in 1951-52 that «200,000 Arab "refugees" were languishing in Gaza, along with 80,000 original residents who barely made a living before the refugees arrived», notwithstanding, a project to accommodate 10,000 families in the Sinai area (then under Egyptian control) was suspended. How is that the Gaza Strip, having around 80,000 allegedly native residents and twice and half that number of immigrants is only fifty years later overpopulated, with about one and half million of "native people dwelling there since ancestral times"? The Arab states are acting a downright discrimination policy against Palestinians, preventing them with all means to achieve any sort of integration in the Arab countries (the same ones from where the Palestinians' grandparents emigrated to the Holy Land). Iraq and Syria were the most appropriate lands for resettlement of the so-called Palestinian refugees. Between 1948 and 1951, more than 120,000 Jews left Iraq to settle in Israel, leaving all of their goods and homes behind them. Most of them were businessmen and artisans, and many were wealthy. Their departure created a large gap in Iraq's economy; in some fields, such as transport, banking and wholesale trades, it reached serious proportions, and there was also a dearth of white collar workers and professional men. Salah Jabr, former dictator of Iraq recognized that «the emigration of 120,000 Jews from Iraq to Israel is beneficial to Iraq and to the Palestinian Arabs because it makes possible the entry into Iraq of a similar number of Arab refugees and their occupation of the Jewish houses there». Nevertheless, Palestinians in Iraq have been "allowed to live in the country but not to assume Iraqi nationality", despite the fact that the country needs manpower and "is encouraging Arab nationals to work and live there by granting them citizenship, with the exception of Palestinians". Syria was also almost a desert in the early fifties and a very suitable land to give home to the "refugees", not only those already dwelling in Syria but also those in Lebanon and Jordan. In 1949 a newspaper editorial from Damascus stated that «Syria needs not only 100,000 refugees, but five million to work the lands and make them fruitful». Indeed, two years later the Syrian government officially requested that half a million Egyptian agricultural workers be permitted to emigrate to Syria in order to help develop Syrian land which would be transferred to them as their property. The responsible Egyptian authorities have rejected this request on the grounds that Egyptian agriculture is in need of labour as well. Syria was offering land rent free to anyone willing to settle there. It even announced a committee to study would-be settlers' applications. In fact, Syrian authorities began the experiment by moving 25,000 of the refugees in Syria into areas of potential development in the northern parts of the country, but the rigid Arab League position against permanent resettlement prevailed. Palestinians in Syria are still regarded as "refugees" and discriminated as such. The situation in all the remaining Arab states is the same: even though the great majority of the so-called Palestinian refugees has now left the camps for a better life as immigrant workers, they are being denied citizenship in the Arab countries to which they had moved. Regardless of their good behaviour and the many years they are living there, they are still discriminated and denied full integration in society. They must be kept as "refugees" forever, until they may occupy the Land of Israel once that Jews have been expelled or annihilated, that is the ultimate aim of the Arab League policy. Of curse, they would never achieve in doing so, as every time that the Arabs attacked Israel, the Arabs have undergone a shameful defeat. The current myth is that these Arabs were long established in "Palestine", until the Jews came and "displaced" them. The fact is, that recent Arab immigration into the Land of Israel displaced the Jews. That the massive increase in Arab population was very recent is attested by the ruling of the United Nations: That any Arab who had lived in the Holy Land for two years and then left in 1948 qualifies as a "Palestinian refugee". "

Well now I believe Hudson Jones and Hot Enough said the link I provided was dead. If you type Palestinian myths on the Bing search it comes out as the first article but I have not been able to go directly into it without going through Bing. That said as if Hudson Jones or Hot Enough or the other jihadi war chair pissantes could care less here are excepts from it: "The Canaanites are historically acknowledged as the first inhabitants of the Land of Israel, before the Hebrews settled there. Indeed, the correct geographic name of the Land of Israel is Canaan, not "Palestine" (a Roman invention, as we will see later). They were composed by different tribes, that may be distinguished in two main groups: the Northern or Coastland Canaanites and the Southern or Mountain Canaanites. ·The Northern Canaanites settled along the coast of the Mediterranean Sea from the southeastern side of the Gulf of Iskenderun to the proximities of the Gulf of Hayfa. Their main cities were Tzur, Tzidon, Gebal (Byblos), Arvad, Ugarit, and are better known in history by their Greek name Phoenicians, but they called themselves "Kana'ana" or "Kinachnu". They did not found any unified kingdom but were organized in self-ruled cities, and were not a warlike people but rather skilful traders, seafarers and builders. Their language was adopted from their Semitic neighbours, the Arameans, and was closely related to Hebrew (not to Arabic!). Phoenicians and Israelites did not need interpreters to understand each other. They followed the same destiny of ancient Israel and fell under Assyrian rule, then Babylonian, Persian, Macedonian, Seleucian and Roman. Throughout their history the Phoenicians intermarried with different peoples that dwelled in their land, mainly Greeks and Armenians. During the Islamic expansion they were Arabized, yet, never completely assimilated, and their present-day state is Lebanon, erroneously regarded as an "Arab" country, a label that the Lebanese people reject. Unlike the Arab states, Lebanon has a western democratic-style official name, "Lebanese Republic", without the essential adjective "Arab" that is required in the denominations of every Arab state. The only mention of the term Arabic in the Lebanese constitution refers to the official language of the state, which does not mean that the Lebanese people are Arabs in the same way as the official language of the United States is English but this does not qualify the Americans as British. The so-called Palestinians are not Lebanese (although some of them came from Syrian-occupied Lebanon), therefore they are not Phoenicians (Northern Canaanites). Actually, in Lebanon they are "refugees" and are not identified with the local people. ·The Southern Canaanites dwelled in the mountain region from the Golan southwards, on both sides of the Yarden and along the Mediterranean coast from the Gulf of Hayfa to Yafo, that is the Biblical Canaan. They were composed by various tribes of different stocks: besides the proper Canaanites (Phoenicians), there were Amorites, Hittites and Hurrian peoples like the Yevusites, Hivvites and Horites, all of them assimilated into the Aramean-Canaanite context. They never constituted an unified, organized state but kept within the tribal alliance system. When the first Hebrews arrived in Canaan they shared the land but did not intermarry, as it was an interdiction for Avraham's family to marry the Canaanites. Nevertheless, eleven of the twelve sons of Yakov married Canaanite women (the other son married an Egyptian), and since then, the Tribes of Israel began to mix with the local inhabitants. After the Exodus, when the Israelites conquered the Land, there were some wars between them and the Canaanites throughout the period of the Sofetim (Judges), and were definitively subdued by King David. By that time, most Canaanites were married to Israelites, others voluntarily accepted Torah becoming Israelites, others joined up in the Israelite or Judahite army. Actually, the Canaanites are seldom mentioned during the Kings' period, usually in reference to their heathen customs introduced among the Israelites, but no longer as a distinguishable people, because they were indeed assimilated into the Israelite nation. When the Assyrians overran the Kingdom of Israel, they did not leave any Canaanite aside, as they had all become Israelites by that time. The same happened when the Babylonians overthrew the Kingdom of Judah. Therefore, the only people that can trace back a lineage to the ancient Canaanites are the Jews, not the Palestinians, as Canaanites did not exist any longer after the 8th century b.c.e. and they were not annihilated but assimilated into the Jewish people. Conclusion: the Palestinians cannot claim any descent from the ancient Canaanites - if so, why not to pretend also the Syrian "occupied territories", namely, Lebanon? Why do they not speak the language of the ancient Canaanites, that was Hebrew? Because they are NOT Canaanites at all! " "According to the United Nations weird standards, any person that spent TWO YEARS (!!!) in "Palestine" before 1948, with or without proof, is a "Palestinian", as well as all the descendants of that person. Indeed, the PLO leaders eagerly demand the "right" of all Palestinians to come back to the land that they occupied before June 1967 c.e., but utterly reject to return back to the land where they lived only 50 years before, namely, in 1917 c.e. Why? Because if they agree to do so, they have to settle back in Iraq, Syria, Arabia, Libya, Egypt... and only a handful Arabs would remain in Israel (by Israel is intended the whole Land between the Yarden River and the Mediterranean Sea, plus the Golan region). "

The canard you engage in that terrorism should be ignored to make it go away and fighting it makes it grow or causes it was not what Carlin in fact stated. Furthermore with due respect social satirists point out the futility of war but George Carlin never said if you ignore terrorism it will go away. If you want me to agree that war is futile, on one level I would say yes but on another no. On a spiritual level killing people to settle things already suggests a failure in one sense and the people killed are lost forever so that of course is the futility I would recognize with you. That said I also believe it is dangerously naïve to think if you appease terrorism it goes away. Appeasement is seen by terrorists as a sign of weakness which empowers them. I know because I have lived with it first hand. I have seen what it does and I have seen how abusers gain power from being appeased. That is precisely why I defer to soldiers because without them, I have seen the alternative So you are damn right I respect soldiers and think they do a good job I am bloody well grateful for them. Don't mistake what they have to do and sacrifice for with the failures of civilians to resolve things amicably.

I dismiss 99.99% of your comments yes because I think you write really stupid things. Just the comment the war on terror has failed in itself shows that. You throw out a subjective opinion as to an on-going conflict that has not ended and you would have people believe what you have sufficient intelligence to determine this?

Zip over his head. You assume he knows the difference between a conventional war and fighting terrorists. Come on the guy thinks a bagel is a Zionist weapon. Don't expect too much.