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source: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/myths-and-facts-the-palestinian-uprisings MYTH “Israel created Hamas.” FACT Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas. The The organization grew out of the ideology and practice of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood movement that arose in Egypt in the 1920s. Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 as an Islamic Association by Sheikh Ahmad Yassin. Initially, the organization engaged primarily in social welfare activities and soon developed a reputation for improving the lives of Palestinians, particularly the refugees in the Gaza Strip. Though Hamas was committed from the outset to destroying Israel, it took the position that this was a goal for the future, and that the more immediate focus should be on winning the hearts and minds of the people through its charitable and educational activities. Its funding came primarily from Jordan and Saudi Arabia. The PLO was convinced that Israel was helping Hamas in the hope of triggering a civil war. Since Hamas did not engage in terror at first, Israel did not see it as a serious short-term threat, and some Israelis believed the rise of fundamentalism in Gaza would have the beneficial impact of weakening the PLO, and this is what ultimately happened. Hamas certainly didn’t believe it was being supported by Israel. As early as February 1988, the group put out a primer on how its members should behave if confronted by the Shin Bet. Several more instructional documents were distributed by Hamas to teach followers how to confront the Israelis and maintain secrecy. Israel’s assistance was more passive than active, that is, it did not interfere with Hamas activities or prevent funds from flowing into the organization from abroad. Israel also may have provided some funding to allow its security forces to infiltrate the organization.94 Meanwhile, Jordan was actively helping Hamas, with the aim of undermining the PLO and strengthening Jordanian influence in the territories. Though some Israelis were very concerned about Hamas before rioting began in December 1987, Israel was reluctant to interfere with an Islamic organization, fearing that it might trigger charges of violating the Palestinians’ freedom of religion. It was not until early in the intifada, when Hamas became actively involved in the violence, that the group began to be viewed as a potentially greater threat than the PLO. The turning point occurred in the summer of 1988 when Israel learned that Hamas was stockpiling arms to build an underground force and Hamas issued its covenant calling for the destruction of Israel. At this point it became clear that Hamas was not going to put off its jihad to liberate Palestine and was shifting its emphasis from charitable and educational activity to terrorism. Israel then began to crack down on Hamas and wiped out its entire command structure. Hamas has been waging a terror war against Israel ever since.95 94Richard Sale, "Hamas history tied to Israel," UPI (June 18, 2002). 95Ze'ev Schiff and Ehud Ya'ari, Intifada: The Palestinian Uprising-- Israel's Third Front. NY: Simon and Schuster, 1990, pp. 227-239.

source: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23799.htm It’s time to debunk a few of these myths with facts. 1) Hamas was not created by Mossad. Although Israel does like to claim credit for many things, this one is not their doing. Political Islam in Palestine has had a presence since the early 40s in Mandate Palestine, and Hamas was born as part of the Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan), with many of its early leaders formally affiliated. It was the experience of refugeehood that turned Hamas into a more autonomous element with a particular nationalist basis to it, a natural result of the urgent and real human situation of displacement and loss of their cultural and national identity. There were close relations of this group with the Egyptian base, and the first offices of the Ikhwan in Palestine were created in Gaza in 1945, led by a member of one of the most important families of the zone, Sheykh Zafer al Shawwa. During the first Arab-Israeli war, Islamist volunteers reinforced the ranks, coming primarily from Jordan and Syria, and this support showed the refugees that the Ikhwan had the courage to defend itself, even during the “Israeli War of Independence”. The growing number of refugees gave a stronger identity and sense of purpose to the Islamist movement in Palestine. Therefore, in the civil society and in the population in general, a motivation from any other source was not required to be able to pledge: “I promise to be a good Muslim in defending Islam and the lost land of Palestine. I promise to be a good example for the community and for others.” These were the words spoken by those who swore their loyalty to the Ikhwan in Palestine (source: Beverly Milton Edwards, “Islamic Politics in Palestine”, p. 43). The local Ikhwan had its own agenda, defending its lost land. It didn’t require fanaticism, outside influence or even propaganda. The refugees themselves were living proof of the horrors of deportation and suffering. The identification as part of an international movement was concomitant with the recognition of the particularity of the Palestinian experience. The official foundation, dating 9 December 1987, was only the culmination of an organisation in the works for decades. Organised Islamic resistance was further utilised when the situation precipitated dramatically in 1967 and a new generation was born as refugees. For this generation, a return to Islam was considered as a necessity for the moral and political future of a people that was being literally destroyed. The cause of the Nakba was seen by many as the result of the distancing from a normal society, the Palestinian one, in which the ethical, religious, cultural and traditional values had been devastated by the occupation, and the descent into further degradation, poverty, disenfranchisement and social instability was seen not only as the result of the occupation, but part of its cause. The “international community” would not come to the rescue of these people, the rest of the Ummah was not caught up in their national struggle, largely because they were not directly involved or were even prohibited from involvement. The extreme pain and disgrace of losing one’s land at that time was a new element to the area, where previous colonisation avoided expelling the indigenous inhabitants, and throwing off the usurpers was not complicated with the total loss of roots and a base. The basis for the formal dimension of Hamas was thus present for decades prior to its official birth. In order to operate, being under the thumb of the occupation, these organised groups that existed had established charities and benefit organisations for their people. These institutions were tolerated by Israel in the Occupied Territories. Israel conceded some operating space through granting of licenses. As General Yitzhak Sager said in an interview to the International Herald Tribune in 1981, the Israeli government “…gave money that the military governor allocated to the mosques […] the sums were used both by the mosques and the religious schools, with the purpose of reinforcing a subject that would contrast that of the Left that was in favour of the PLO.” If there was some motivation for Israel to be involved, it was really as an act of ‘divide and rule’, a bit of tolerance, a bit of economic support to the various religious associations in order to see if an opposition to the nationalists of the PLO could develop. They really were only looking for a way to see the weakening of the PLO, which was gaining some support in the West, and they did not found, provide major financing or in any way influence a movement that they would in some way infiltrate or control. That is pure mythology. Why give Israel credit where none is due?

No but you now certainly have misstated what I actually said. By the way if I am talking circles that is a direct reflection on your comments as I simply respond to your comments. Stop talking in circles and I will stop responding to those circular thoughts. Yassin did denounce terrorism prior to 1988. That is public fact and domain that Hamas openly acknowledges. His decision to embrace terrorism I n 1988 is public knowledge and doman came about after years of rejecting terrorism. Of course It was only after he embraced terrorism Israel then had a problem with him being a terrorist.. You made a statement Israel allowed Hamas to become what it is today.. nonsense. Hamas made itself. Hamas created itself and chose its destiny. Using your illogical argument Hamas created Israel. Go look up who created and funded Hamas.. Blaming Israel for its creation because it supported charities engaged in non terrorist activities that had relations with Hamas is ridiculous. Next, I never stated you claimed Hamas was formed in the 50's. I did say its origins can be traced back to the Muslim Brotherhood in the 20's. As I stated and you can not and have not repudiatyed, Israel never had direct or indirect contract with the creators of Hamas. They did in fact assist charities indirectly affiliated with Hamas on charitable projects not Hamas terrorism or Hamas itself. That is public domain and fact. The charities Israel assisted and what they did is public fact. Next, perhaps what is not obvious to you is the people who justify anti Semitism on this board by claiming Jews should not be allowed to have a state or defend themselves against terrorists for existing as a collective state is based on a smug Canadian double standard of people who claim Jews invaded and stole land from Arabs while Jews are in fact indigenous to the Middle East and Canada is founded on the very exercise these Canadians now accuse Jews of. Next Bush-Chaney not I initiated and first discussed the double standard and he's done it many times and I most certainly agree with him. I The fact you call his comment which I 100% agree with a red herring simply means you deny and refuse to acknowledge that no Canadian should point their finger at anyone and accuse them of being an invader of a nation given the history of Canada and if you can't see the double standard I think you are full of it... Next, don't be presumptious and suggest to me I don't know the origins of Israel or my own people because you disagree with me. Back off with this uppity bullshit attitude. You disagree with me that is your perfect right but don't presume to tell this Jew where his place is on this planet or universe and where I came from. You've never been to Israel, you haven't studied the history of the Jews- don't presume to lecture me you know more about my people than I do. I lived there. I studied there. I also studied Islam, and lived with Beduins and Druze and learned their customs as well as Christian Coptic, Assyrian, Bahaii, Zoroastrean, Kurd and Berber traditions and make no claim to be an expert on any but I know enough to respect them all and not talk down to anyone about their own culture.. This talking down, this presumption you are in the position to select and lecture Israelis or Jews is precisely why Israel was created-to protect the Jewish collective from people like you who claim to tell us what our place is. Israel is the existential act of telling you, never again will you or anyone tell a Jew where his or her place is on this planet.

Nothing in what you provided proves your point if anything the opposite. As well what Ghost stated does not address the issue yo. The fact that third and fourth world migrants can now move about does not increase their economic value-they simply go where they think they have the best chance to eat and get shelter but they remain marginalized and without value in their new society. Cycles of poverty are not broken without gradual change thorough education and training to make people self sufficient and able to sustain themselves. If you don't provide programs that equip people with skills to adapt and survive, you simply set them up for failure. For years we threw food at third world countries. It never got to the starving. It was intercepted by corrupt governments and the black market (organized crime). We need to find a way to assure third and fourth world countries have an intelligentsia that remains behind to build the infrastructure of their nations and create self sufficiency at a grass roots level. The third and fourth world countries have no intelligentsia that remains or returns to build these countries. Placing people in tents in Canada to appease one's guilt solves nothing. It creates a social problem. The winter comes, such people need warm shelter and food and they have no way to be self sufficient and necessarily get caught in dependent cycles on social benefits. Such people are better off in their homelands rebuilding their countries, i.e., the roads, the homes, the schools-in their homeland there is work to be done and no one to do it which is the case with Haiti. We are not talking about people who can not go home, we are talking about people who do NOT WANT to go home. Why would I return to hard work when Trudeau is telling me to come to Canada and collect welfare? If I am a poor person sitting on my as collecting welfare is the lottery compared to returning home and having to work. Enough with using the marginalized to appease the guilt of liberals, it is not helping them-its using them to assuage guilt. You want to help Haitiend, send them home, send them tents and temporary shelters in their homeland and food and tools and send people to help them rebuild. Turning them into welfare recipients or taxi drivers or fast food servers in Canada helps no one. Its one thing to help people to help themselves, its another to trap them in never ending cycles of poverty we impose upon them under the assumption living in Canada on welfare is better than going home to rebuild the country. I have ben to Haiti-I do note some people call it a shithole. That same shithole is a country and the future for many. Its only a shithole to arrogant people in Canada who look down on it. Yes they cut down trees and made it vulnerable to erosion. Yes it has had numerous corrupt violent governments. It has to be the Master of its own destiny but feeling guilty for Haitiens having to rebuild their country won't help it. Guilt is horseshit. Guilt is what liberals act on after they feel someone is inferior to them. Guilt is a result of colonialist elitist racist horse shit. There is nothing to feel guilty about. Haitiens are not victims. We define them as victims by giving them welfare. Stop calling them victims. Give them a shovel, a pick axe, a drill, tools, construction materials and stop calling them victims. Empowerment comes from pride of work, of overcoming obstacles, of having hope and pursuing that hope through positive actions. Yesterday I watched Justin Trudeau complete with eye make up, mascara and new eye lashes, preening before the cameras. How the hell could he possibly understand digging a ditch is nothing to be ashamed of, rebuilding a country is hard work. For phack's sake the man was wearing mascara and actally had someone curl his eyelashes for the photo ops. There is no limit to this popinjay's tenure. The only thing missing is a kerchief, a beauty mole on his cheek and a white powder wig.

Yes Sir I did see that crypt when I was in Washington and although not clearly as educated as you I do in my own simple way appreciate Albert Pike's style and for that matter the many Masonic references in symbols all over Washington. Of course I like the war Memorial in Ottawa but I was completely won over by the Vietnam wall which to me vividly gets across the number of dead and allows a personal connection to the families through stencils at the same time. The only statute I have never understood was the naked one of Louis Riel. People kept sawing off his private part. I could not understand that one. Queen Mary Veteran's Hospital was near where I lived in Montreal and sometimes my father would take me and my brother there to talk to war vets. It is now an old age hospital. It had powerful statutes in its front. I am not sure what happened to them. Quite frankly the statutes in Montreal as to the wars and the War Memorial in Ottawa I found did not needlessly glorify war and are important reminders. I leave the Civil War to Americans to deal with. Speaking about politically incorrect I see no difference between Black Lives Matter and certain extreme right wing groups other than the skin colour they are obsessed with. I was brought up believing in the Martin Luther King approach to such matters.

Blackbird I think he is going to grant a blanket amnesty myself. I also think he is deliberately undermining the very laws Omni quoted as a deliberate political tactic as he does not have the balls to go to Parliament and say let's just change the laws to allow anyone to come which is what he has now put into practice. His advisors have told him he will win the next election doing this as all minorities will now have sufficient numbers to vote him back in. His handlers are convinced this will pander to minorities to get him the votes to come back in. The question is will it? His handlers believe minorities are concentrated in cities which carry the day on election night and he will win cities heavy with ridings full of minorities. I think he is going to lose Quebec this time round and thinks rural Canada is not enough to stop him. Its a very deliberate ethnic pandering platform. Its deliberate right down to the use of a visible minority refugee from Somalia as an Immigration Minister. Its pandering at its most obvious and its essence is quite racist. Its not an exclusive message at all. Remember his irregulars are choking out legitimate refugees and immigrants.

You do make some well stated interesting observations. This is my respectful response for discussion so as to acknowledge the thought you put into it.To start with I would say its an American issue ultimately to be decided by Americans although we did have some neo Nazis go cross he border and join in with some neo Nazi groups. That said if I were a black man or woman in the South I would find these statutes and the Confederate flag reminders of a time they may not want to be reminded of. I am not black but I am Jewish so I have always assumed and maybe I am generalizing that a Confederate flag is to a black from the South what a Nazi flag would be for me. I see the same anti semites hissing at blacks and so came to that conclusion long ago. The KKK loves us both equally not to mention Catholics and pretty much anyone with a tan or different shaped eyes and noses. That said I am sure you understand times change and so our take on history changes and yes that can be subjective and often arbitrary like you said.. Take a look for example at cartoons or commercials and how over the years race has bee portrayed and evolved not to mention how we portray women, gays, blacks, minorities, etc in movies and on t.v. although some people argue it hasn't changed that much and negative stereotypes continue. Culture evolves of course and so does its reaction to history.. It mutates and changes as morals and values change. History should not be forgotten no. For me symbols of tragedies like the holocaust, the forced starvation of Ukraines, the slaughter of Armenians, the genocides in Rwanda, Burundi and now in Sudan have to be remembered and acknowledged and some are not and some of that could be history tends to remember events with whites differently than it does with blacks or Asians etc. We still have an ethno-centric approach to history. That said I think there is a time and place for memorabilia, statutes and symbols that over the years have taken on new offensive meaning. Yes its highly subjective, and arbitrary when deciding that because it deals with feelings and feelings can be both-so I am not sure how you fairly decide what is and is not publically acceptable but I personally don't understand why symbolizes of racism and inequality are still cherished even if they mean another thing to Southern whites. Is it unfair to say there is a time and place now for a Confederate flag and it is not an inclusive symbol anymore and it divides but does not unify Americans? That is of course their burden to resolve and is very much a work in progress. Symbols, statutes can trigger explosive emotions. In fact its why there are laws in Europe that prevent overt displays of Nazism-as it has a direct impact on people still negatively impacted by that era. Its just too explosive. In Canada Islamic symbols such as type of clothing are triggering issues. No I do not think anyone wants public displays of religion anymore like they used to. I personally as a Jew am not comfortable putting Menorahs in public at Christmas when its Hanukah. Hanukah is a minor holiday. I don't think we have to compete with Christians and I personally find Christian symbols at Christmas inoffensive and a lot of times non religious anyways as it celebrates in fact a pagan holiday. I don't claim to speak for other Jews but I am not so insecure I need to put a Menorah up. The baby Jesus does not bother me nor does Santa Claus or reindeer. I know everyone in Canada is told they can be anything and still be Canadian so it seems everyone wants to celebrate being anything but Canadian. Everyone celebrates something non Canadian to be Canadian which to me I do not get. My being Jewish for me is a private matter unless some anti semite is trying to use government or something public to incite hatred against Jews. Then I will fight it but to a point. I think we all need to work on being Canadian not some hyphenated Canadian. That' just me so I am one of those people that say, retain your culture in a museum, a place of worship, a private school, not in a public place with exceptions for Christmas which has transcended being a Christian holiday. I al so think this lliberal notion freedom of speech and expression has no limits is ridiculous. Its one thing on a private level to express one's individuality and beliefs, but when you bring it public, it has to remain neutral and it can't contest or challenge the laws of the day. You want to cover your face from head to toe, knock yourself out, just don't expect to get a driver's license or state an oath or testify in court or take on a job with children or requiring security clearance until you show your face. There are limits. No you can't get on a plane without showing your face on a passport and to the security screeners. If people from my faith want to wear bear fur hats in the summer because people did that in Russia for centuries and they don't want to evolve past killing bears or have figured out its hot in the summer and its not a time for a fur hat, its not up to me to say. I see Muslims wearing garb designed for hot deserts in the winter and Punjabis and Indians and Africans wearing winter coats and tuques in the fall because they think its cold when its 10 degrees. I see people getting the message when they come to Canada that they don't have to l earn English, assimilate or change to conform to Western values. I see messages to them that they can step foot on the soil of Canada and demand they be sexist, racist, homophobic, anti semitic, in the name of their religion, culture, ethnicity. I don't like it. I also don't like how its walking right into the hands of neo Nazi extremists looking for an excuse to justify hating them. I think Liberals in the name of tolerance are accepting intolerance and that intolerance is then triggering parallel intolerance from neo Nazis empowered by it. I agreed with Besty in another thread that ultra right wingers feed off the left winger liberals who see no evil in anything other than white men, Zionists, certain Christians, conservatives, at times. I then see neo Nazis claim they support the alienated white men when they don't but in fact only represent a narrow inbred ghetto of people that agree with them and are inter-bred with the same webbed fingers and sloping foreheads. In Canada we have a chaos of symbols of what we are not. That said these are issues I n the States that should be put to sleep but race is still very much unresolved.. Its ironic because North America had no problems wiping out any signs of aboriginal customs and values when we wanted to.. Ironically what keeps native culture alive unintentionally is the names of all our rivers, cities, provinces and now statutes, totems, art, etc., and certain Canadian laws that borrowed from their laws and a minority of aboriginals continuing to keep their symbols through art, language and other symbols.. Symbols for sure are important to understand and honour where we came from to know where we are going but surely some belong in controlled environments like museums with proper context to explain them rather than in public if they have become controversial.. That said you are dead on, some people would see a statute and not have a clue what it means. We are at the point now where the next generation has no clue about W1, 2, Korea, even Vietnam. I know very few people who have a clue about Middle East History, Jewish History, Muslim History, the History of India, Japan, China, etc. Its just not being taught. It's actually scary how little history most people know and this is why for example on this forum you can see the next generation trying to pass themselves off in alleged debates by thinking if they read a web site by someone they agree with, it functions as sufficient platform and basis to come on this forum and act like an authority on the origins of specific conflicts. We live in a generation where the internet provides false confidence by providing easy access to inaccurate and opinionated non objective information about history. That's my best effort to contribute a response to your well written comments.

He does that, i.e., fabricate things.

Let's explain it genius. There are good and there are bad people. Most people are a bit of both. In your case what you believe in and what you represent on this post evidences you are hateful, a bigot and essentially have the cognitive functional level of someone with a learning disability or a very basic level of perception in that you can't perceive, conceive or develop or provide any insights as to the world around you other than absolute assumptions that are singular and simplistic in content. To summarize you can't grasp nuance, abstraction, possibility, and relativity. Your words evidence someone who is afraid of anything other than that which reminds him of himself. I don't cry at neo Nazis. I laugh. You are hoot, or in your language a gas.

Here genius I will try explain it to you keeping in mind we are dealing with severe limitations: source:http://www.infobarrel.com/Yiddish_Insults_and_Swear_Words "Yiddish, that wonderful admixture of German and Hebrew, is a deeply subtle, yet demonstrably practical, language. No amount of translation can perfectly denotate the connotations of its most derisive words.... Kish Mir in Tuchas Gaelic Irish has a wonderful phrase, póg mo thóin, that, wonderfully and almost exactly, translates this Yiddish phrase. Both cultures enjoy inviting the object of their derision to have a good smack when and where necessary. While the Gaelic is certainly a dare and a taunt, the Yiddish phrase, ever practical, seems to invite compliance as if the recipient thinks it will do some good." Now with that in mind let's summarize: " Schmuck In the annals of derisory words, “schmuck” must stand out as one of the finest and most insightful. It is somewhat contradictory that most cultures hurl insults at an enemy by deriding them as the appendage that is the that most prized portion of the male anatomy, the penis. While every man is quite fond of his manhood and enjoys its workings, most would not part with it on pain of death. Still, most cultures regularly deride their enemies as some variation of “dick.” The uninformed may conclude that Yiddish falls into the same camp but it is not so. “Schmuck” actually refers to the little piece of foreskin excised during a circumcision. So, while technically, “schmuck’ is part of a “dick,” it is the most unwanted and unnecessary part." But wait... source: http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Talk/Blessings_Curses_and_Other_Expressions " Curses: Malo-Petition At its simplest level, Yiddish verbal abuse takes the form of cusswords or epithets (zidlverter). These are unlimited in number, since the speaker has the whole arsenal of Germanic, Hebrew, and Slavic insults at his or her disposal, along with many original Yiddish inventions. More interesting than individual lexical items are ritualized curses (kloles): petitive expressions that call down death, misfortune, or disease, often specifying a particular body part to be affected." Now here's one I created and I will translate it directly in English for you: " Don't show your head in Japan, given its shape and fat content, someone will try make sushi out of it."

Your assumption of the former causing the latter is nonsensical. If multi-nationals in fact have their way, they will assure cheap slave labour across the world and not just in the third or fourth world. In fact unimpeded flow of human beings makes them easier to be exploited and lowers their value as workers as they move into new markets with pre-existing restrictions and limitations as to the recognition of their skills. Elitist shmuks like you have no clue how the middle and upper classes of other countries become our taxi drivers.. You think wer're doing them a favour giving them false m messages of how are streets are paved with gold so they can come serve you at MacDonald's. You haven't a clue who free trade let alone borders favours. Not a damn clue..

They do not qualify for refugee status for two reasons. First they entered a safe country prior to entering Canada which disqualified them. Second even if that criteria were removed they are economic migrants. In fact most people Omni and leftists and the news media calls refugees are not, they are economic migrants, i.e., they are part of a mass movement of population causes by draught, flooding, earth-quakes or unemployment due to corrupt, inefficient governments. In the Liberal fantasy world of Omni et al, Canada should just take in anyone who is poor. It appeases his guilt and its not his time or money being volunteered nor is Omni there when the impact causes Haitiens or others turmoil. Trudeau has set Haitiens up for failure by not properly understanding social transition requires careful planning and support systems in place BEFORE you bring in thousands. Omni quotes laws not understanding the fact that they exist in writing does not mean they are NOT being enforced by the current government which has circumvented the very laws Omni quotes. Omni has no clue in reality from his privileged domain and sheltered home what happens when a poor person who is marginal and has no transferable skills is given the false image to come and bingo a world awaits them with a smiling PM and photo ops. The reality is unemployment, racism, drug and alcohol addiction, mental illness, higher rates of cancer, diabetes, heart disease and in the case of Haitiens a very clear and obvious racism from Quebec society which is inherently racist against French speakers from Asia, Africa, the Arab world and the West Indies, French Islands. Racists like Taxme get fueled and incited when they see unskilled migrants coming. They can piss on them and blame them and make themselves feel superior at their expense. Taxme does it based on hatred and the need to prop his feelings of inferiority by thinking if he hates blacks it will make him feel superior. Omni is playing the same game I argue-instead of playing gutter racist, he plays a different form of racism, one that looks at Hatiens or the world's poor as inferior savages who will be grateful being placed in economic ghettoes in h is great civilized world and clean his toilets and serve him at MacDonald's in the years to come. Taxme needs people he thinks are inferior than him to piss on, so does Omni and while Omni's reasons sound benevolent they are based on the same superiority assumptions. Haitiens came to the US because they had no work. Period. Now they flock to Canada because they are fearing an impending crackdown. The majority of them are not on welfare-they tale on menial and manual jobs people like Omni and Taxme will never do. Whether its a liberal or a neo Nazi, ultimately they both come across as patronizing shmucks over this issue. Let's stop playing. Either we have immigration laws or we don't. If the intent is to let anyone in who wants to be here which is the actual view of Trudeau then say so. Trudeau needs to stop being a pataronizing dishonest shmuck and start leading. We have to say we can' t take in unskilled economic migrants at this point. He won't. If we want to help in regards to humanitarianism, we should be sending Haitiens home and assisting with infrastructure programs there. Setting them up for failure in Canada is b.s. If immigration is done properly neo Nazis have no fuel to justify their using immigration as a platform to piss on minorities.

I'm not quite all there? Zowee. It makes me sound like a being that can be in more than one dimension at the same time. Yabbadabbadoo I'm one quasar of a Jew.

I am going to be serious one second with you. I get frustrated because I think there are Muslims afraid to say they are Muslim when they support extremist Islamic beliefs and won't say so on this forum just like I think its a joke when Taxme tries to deny his political ideology on this forum or others say anti semitic things and then deny they are anti semitic. I am also frustrated because I happen to know and have lived with Arabs and Palestinians who do not hate me for being Zionist or Jewish and have no problems with Israel existing and know damn well I don't want one damn Palestinian hurt any more than I do an Israeli. I know personally Ismaili and Amidyah Muslims and to call them extremists or anything but peaceful or moderate is a crock. I have a problem with all extremists. So you are right I shouldn't have to bring a poster's objectivity into question simply because they are Muslim-but when I see people who are Muslim and are afraid to admit they are and stand behind there Muslim extremist beliefs like Taxme now does with this posing he's not a neo Nazi, it annoys the snot out of me. But you are right. I get so caught up in the responses to the anti semites, I forget there are Muslims out there who are afraid to speak out for fear of backlash from other Muslims or maybe me. Well all I can say is I don't hide my ethnicity when defending Israel's right to exist because I think it would be dishonest. You are right though my ethnicity should not be the issue but it is-its constantly made an issue on the Rest of the World section. I don't like it any more when all Muslims are called terrorists then when I read crap about Jews and Zionists. I don't like it I speak out. I do think there are some people on this board who hide their true agendas and try make themselves sound other than what they are but they usually slip up sooner or later and out comes the hate. That said I got your point. I forget that point myself and am the first to admit it. That said thank you for sharing the information but not sending pictures. Tell your wife your secret is safe in my hands. Wait that sounds real wrong. Oy.

Here I am. Your words on this forum are anti semitic. You engage in class neo Nazi anti semitic references. You want to play? Here I am. You words reveal and illustrate classic neo Nazi Jew baiting. You want to deny it? Go on. Come on this forum and deny you hate Jews. Deny you are an anti semite and deny that you are a neo Nazi supporter. That's the thing about forums. People like you can use anonymous names, spew out hated, then try deny what you said and its implications. You know what you are. You want to huff and puff about Jews then have the balls Adolph to at least stand up straight when you try imitate the Nazi salute. Don't mince about its a tad to late for that. Oh but hey, you want to deny you are an anti semite? What next, you want to claim you are a victim of false accusations? Lol. Man oh man the name changes but the act, the cowardly denials, the shtick, even the syntax is identical. You done? I told you. I don't care what name you use, you spit at a Jew on this forum, I will challenge you. I will call you out. I will expose you for the hateful oafish baboon your words reveal. Anything else bubbula? What you want to meet me in the streets? Which city? Charlotte? Damascus? Tehran? Lol. High noon is it. The Jew Boy and the Nazi Boy face to face at High Noon. Get off the streets boys and girls!

In regards to 1, hey Bubbulah its been done. In regards to 2, stop trying to ask him about his penis. This is not that kind of forum. In regard to 3, you a neo Nazi? Yes you do have nipples. I just discovered something dimmer than a full moon eclipse. Man this is fun. Its almost as fun as wacka Jew.

Lol what's the matter bubbula you can't keep up. Here's one in English from the famous Jewish philosopher, Rue: "Nothing more funny then a falsetto who thinks he's a baritone." Ach tung baby. Zieg Heil bubbula. My ilk? Lol. That was funny. My ilk. First you accuse the well known gentile Michael Harder of owning Jews and/or being one, now I own ilks. My ilks. I like that, Sounds like a rock band. The ILKS. First there was Kinky Friedman and the Texas Jewboys one of my favourites, now there are THE ILKS. Wait I hear a rap coming for the ILKS.... hey man did you hear that ping its Taxme's brain goin ding ding ding wherever he looks he sees a Jew an then he starts crying oh boo hoo hoo yah see he blames dah Jooz for all his issues someone get dis boy some kleenex tissues he needs a forum to get at Moses and I suppose dodo some neo Nazi poses ach tung baby you better watch out cuz damn those Jews he'z here to shout unless of course he gotta pout cuz he can't read Yiddish watz dat about?

Das wort idiot is in jeder Sprache auch fur einen Stiftkopf klar. Wie sprichst du nicht die Sprache von Hitler? מאַם מוזן זייַן שטאָלץ.

Try understanding how creating an open door avalanche of illegal migrants coming to Canada renders the above a joke. Oh go on try. Let loose on that throne of yours just once. Part of potty training is knowing when to let go of bullshit.

No you have me confused. I don't believe in potty seats.

You again speak in extremes. Its a liberal tactic that if someone has concerns about how we control the flow of migration it automatically to you means walls and racism. Its how you pose opinions other than your own and you pose issues inclcuding immigration into black and white extreme options. Trudeau is engaging in exactly what you do. He's painted himself into the corner with his extreme statements that do not give him a way out of the immigration crisis he started because his open borders comment sets him up for liberal failure if he limits any movement coming in,

You really think this continuous posing as a righteous saint on the board is not worn? Enough. Either debate what he said or stop posing its still a toilet seat not a throne you sit on and you need to flush.

The thing about pointed heads is one should not be surprised they ping when you speak Yiddish.

Yeder eyzl hot lib tsu hern vi er aleyn hirzhet.

There is a lot of weird shit going on. You notice how fast north Korea disappeared off the news when this neo Nazi b.s. arose?