blueblood

I figured so...

what was the vote numbers for the NDP again? The Liberals? The Bloc? Pray do tell. Much more than 63% voted against the NDP. Much more than 63% voted against the Liberals. Much more than 63% voted against the Bloc. Sorry bub, the tories won the election.

Can't blame him. This buys his strategists time, if they can spin a message that what the opposition parties did was wrong and subverts democracy (the opp. do have that right however) and the electorate buys it, the opposition parties are in serious trouble. Watch for attack ads.

If their work isn't needed, then it's nothing. IMO they do nothing. Stressing IMO.

So harper shut her down until the budget vote? Not the bravest thing to do, but probably the smartest.

Non elected, unaccountable members that swallow up tax dollars doing essentially nothing = unacceptable

Like I said, I'm a business man. Settling for good enough is not an option. Everything can be better. The senate being tossed or elected is one of them. Settling for good enough is one of the reasons that socialism sucks and that the USSR fell.

And an unaccountable, unfireable, mass of senators is too dangerous to be in charge of anything. We have a national vote, we elect people who we think would run the country the best. It works pretty good if you ask me, no need for an unelected senate. They have something like that in the USA, works pretty good there too.

Elitism at its finest. So voters are too stupid then to be in charge of things, do you not believe in democracy?

No, it's not bad, it's culturally different. That and a lot of anti-country snobs live there. You and dobbin don't fall in that category, but there is the saying about a few bad apples.

As BC always says one vote to a customer. My view of western canadian culture for this purpose is in line with what Ontario liberal MPs say in the House of commons. The same ones you support. You really should get out of Winnipeg more often then. The differences between the rest of western canada and winnipeg are quite startling. Of course people outside Winnipeg don't consider to be eastern canada, that's my point. People outside of Winnipeg identify more with Albertans than they do with Winnipegers. Same goes with Vancouver.

Get over it, is that all? Try convincing westerners of that. Westerners don't like a party that endorses that type of western bashing. What were Dion, Layton, and Duceppe doing during the debates, berating Alberta and Saskatchewan for having a well run economy that is friendly to business and investors. The veterans of ww1 are all dead, and ww1 is long gone, shall we get over that too? By remembering the Liberal nonsense of the 1970's Western Canadians won't be too friendly sending a Liberal Party to Ottawa that won't make concessions. If the Liberals want a majority now, they'll have to play nice to the west. Judging by Dion's campaign, that won't happen for some time.

This is a fundamental difference between teachers and business people. Business people are always looking to make a good thing better, it is essential for their survival and enables them to be better. Why would a teacher rock the boat when they think they have a good thing, it's not in their financial interests to improve.

I had no idea you wanted to fit in so badly with the stereotypical western canadians that the Liberals despise. PET has openly berated westerners and you support the party that enables that. As for Winnipeg and Vancouver, come on, we both know that Winnipeg and Vancouver are outliers in Western Canadian culture. Even in Manitoba there is a large disconnect from Winnipegers and those living outside the city. From what I've seen regarding Winnipeger's attitudes towards those outside of the city, they're the ones who have gall. Playing the Obama card was the perfect analogy.

You have your own gutter attacks of tories in this thread, your no angel yourself. That's why i put that in quotation marks, for that very purpose. That has come up on the campaign trail. If Time magazine is talking about this potential issue, its fair game. My analogy stands. The only thing Winnipeg and Vancouver have in common with the rest of Western Canada is location.

I don't recall him being a leftist

Regina votes Liberal...

How is that a racist statement? That was an occurance brought up during the election campaign. It's a fair analogy, its not my fault you don't like it. Saskatchewan is where the NDP was founded and has a strong history of voting for them, still more western than Winnipeg.

Ontario will no doubt recover, but they will be knocked down a few rungs. The big 3 are most likely going to have to file for chapter 11, which should help in completely restructuring the auto industry, quash the unions, and ensure that Ontario firms are profitable again. Hopefully Dalton gets voted out of office in short order and Ontarians realize that a system like Alberta's and Saskatchewan's is how an economy should be managed. Expect mining, and strangely enough forestry to grow in 10 years. Ontario should be looking at how California does things instead of Michigan and Pennsylvania.

Ontario has things people want, why is their economy in the crapper. Should Alberta have had the same management style as Ontario??? That's Winnipeg and Vancouver, they are a complete 180 from other westerners. The only commonality is their location. Just like Obama.

Think of the BSE bailout fiasco, yikes!!!

Cripes, when the west was in the toilet, and their only answer was pick up your socks, how else should we react? Socks were picked up and the shoe is now on the other foot. Saying a person from Winnipeg is a westerner is like saying Obama is "stereotypical black" - he may have black skin, but he didn't come from slavery. Winnipeg is more in line with Vancouver and Toronto than Edmonton and Calgary.

Exactly, Harper's risk, it's his ass on the line. If Harper wants to go for the throat I'm all for it, if he fails I'm all for canning him. Spin it all you want, the fact of the matter is money was cut and the Liberals have blood on their hands, the provinces have other departments that suffered as well. IMO had transfers not occured in the first place, the provincial gov'ts could do it's taxes/services more prudently without being yo-yo'd by the federal gov't. Do you want to get into cuts to the RCMP which led to a chronic police shortage?

I'm pointing out Liberal inconsistincies. I have no problem cutting transfers. Dobbin was trashing the Albertans for blowing up a hospital and causing people to die, how many people died because of Liberal cuts to the provinces. The Alberta tories aren't the only one with blood on their hands.

I wouldn't mind a new leader. I'm happy he went for the throat, but him backing off doesn't have me impressed. If he loses gov't the election, he should go. It is a provincial responsibility, the Liberals took out the knees of the provinces. If the Libs under trudeau want healthcare, then the Libs should support that. Don't blame the Albertans for Killing people, the Libs have blood on their hands as well.