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If that is how you interpret what I'm saying....hey, what can I say? If you think I'm going to waste my time correcting your mis-interpretation....and lead you through a step-by-step explanation...uh-uh. Sorry. Too busy. You can just go right ahead and continue to interpret it in any way. Just don't blame me....

So, we have to make sure there is a female polling officer in every polling place! The contortions we have to go through...not to mention the spendings.... just to accomodate these religious/cultural beliefs seem to be getting a little bit out of hand.... What you guys don't seem to get is that we are a society of various cultures! You accomodate one group....you have to accomodate the others!

And what's astounding is the stupidity of the NDP...who freakin' suggest that yeah, we should provide a female to accomodate this demand! And yes, speaking of bloody respect...this is the kind of RESPECT the NDP has for this country! Turning it into a freaking doormat!

That's how you want to interpret it! I find it funny how Drea gave that opening that's hard for me to resist. Gee...where's your sense of humor? Anyway, don't speak to me about respect....when you don't seem to understand the meaning of it! FYI, it swings both ways! And you don't demand it! Puhleez...you don't have to go through all that trouble. Like as if it's a big deal for me whether I used the right word for it or not.

Nobody's forcing these women to vote. Anyway, you give a special license to muslim women...then what next? What other changes will be required to accomodate other religious or cultural beliefs? If it is the law, it is the law! No one should be above the law!

Do you equate a female muslim with that of a criminal? Hmmm....actually, maybe not a bad idea. The female officer can identify, AND THEN proceed to do a search under that burka. Or under that hijab. Cheers!

Darn...it's not on anymore. I missed it. No. How can she be forcing her way on us by refusing to see a male doctor? Anyway, she has a choice....there are female doctors. And if there are no female doctors, then she still has the choice whether to see the male doctor or not. Btw, does this mean that women in Islamic countries do not see doctors at all? If they are under Taliban or fundamentalists' rule, it is only logical to assume that there can be no women doctors (since no women are allowed to be educated). What then? However, this is no comparison to the burka issue during elections.

No. But if we follow your suggestion....they are forcing THIS society to to do it THEIR way!

And if there are no women volunteers? Anyway, why should we have a different law to accomodate them? The solution is simple: you don't want to remove your burka, then don't vote. You want to vote, then remove that burka. Show your face like everyone else!

"Harper rips Elections Canada over veil ruling SYDNEY, Australia (CP) - Prime Minister Stephen Harper says Elections Canada is subverting the will of Parliament by permitting Muslim women to wear veils and burkas while voting. Harper, speaking Saturday in Sydney, Australia, after an international summit, said he "profoundly disagrees" with the ruling prompted by three byelections in Quebec on Sept. 17. Harper says the House of Commons just voted in favour of having all Canadian voters provide visual identification at voting stations. He says Elections Canada's ruling goes in an entirely different direction. The prime minister, who has been battling with the arms-length elections regulator for years, said Elections Canada's role is to enforce the law, not to make new ones. " © The Canadian Press, 2007 He is not pulling any punches!

And this freedom of expression should be for EVERYONE! Hence I said that the gay activists who practiced their freedom of expression (that they know would be offensive to Christians) should be able to stomach the kind of offense they dish out. That they should be able to take the same dose of the same medicine. Let me illustrate an example. How about an art show organized by Christians Activists responding to social changes and situations that are also threatening the foundation of their religious beliefs. Let us do a REVERSE PORTRAYAL Of The Gay Art Display. Come to think of it....could Lucifer himself be gay? It's odd how Webster refers to him as "the planet Venus when it is the morning star", and how he is characterized by beauty and vanity. And yet he is referred to as a he. Anyway... Let's say in this Christian art show certain artistic expressions depict the theme of: LUCIFER'S LACKEYS You know like those servants doing their big boss' dirty jobs for him. As the Christians know, Lucifer is a master deciever and he has those decieved to actually work for him. Art could show how gays are decieved and used by Lucifer into this. Instead of humbly bowing to God's Will....this "fight" to challenge the teachings of Christ and fight for changes that causes upheaval and divisions among Christ's flocks can be artistically be interpreted as being spurred by arrogance and vanity (the classical depiction of Lucifer). The way the Churches are being besieged, harassed and tormented for changes....and the way the Churches had been soiled, maligned and demonized (what an apt word) due to all the molestations of children and minors....the Church of Christ being dismantled brick by brick! How about a float on a gay pride parade with gays portrayed as seductive sirens beckoning to society...except that they symbolize the devil luring you to damnation. Unwittingly becoming the mass recruiter for the beast. Or being the new-age Faust. These make for relevant religious depictions in the name of art and freedom of expressions! The question is: how will the gay activists react to this? How will the liberal society respond to this art gallery? I'm sure there'll be an outrage and this gallery will be closed down, and all the organizers will be facing charges of hate crimes.

I suggest a re-read of all my posts so as you wouldn't confuse my statements as a "support for the violent scuffle." Jennie is criticizing what she percieves as an extreme reaction from some of the posters on this thread. The only extreme reaction I could cite would be that of the scuffle. But then again, aren't some of the pro-gay rights reactions to this thread quite extreme for reacting to the said scuffle....when scuffles such as this is quite common all over the world over the results of game sports? And to think that youths were involved in this gay scuffle - not that it is an excuse - but that again in comparison to some gaming shenanigans where-in adults usually are involved, this bleating about this gay fiasco obviously is the very example of an EXTREME REACTION, not to mention the way one or two gay-supporters had easily resorted to personal insults and personal slurs to those who did not agree with their views. Do we make a big deal of sports-related violence? AS for the Youth Offenders Act, I would heartily support incarceration in a boot camp for those juvenile delinquents! I'd be one of the last persons you'd think of being lenient to youth crimes! I'm one of those "extremes" who'd say discipline begins in infancy! Poverty or Broken Homes are not an excuse in my book, unlike what a lot of bleeding hearts would want you to believe. In what way? Just claiming it is so does not make it so. Can you cite a specific example....perhaps I've missed something here.

I think the safety of the public from convicted people like this guy trumps a convict's rights to privacy. It should.

We are not talking about Catholicism or Christianity. Brain-washing my foot! Attempting to link or tie-up Christianity...and demonizing all religion when an attempt at focusng on an issue is being made IS THE REAL PROBLEM in this day and age, mostly coming from the liberal-thinkers! This distracts from the issue at hand....and the seriousness of the situations for a lot of women is being dilluted or trivialized! Your First Nation women were being abused until only recently by FN men who had been practicing their aboriginal beliefs! Had it not been for the current government, your women would still be facing abuse and descrimination from their own people.....so if you need to give an example of women in dire straits on this continent, look into the reserves! If you need to lecture any women to grow up and think for themselves, it would be most beneficial if you do it in a mainstreet inside the Reserves. Brain-washing goes in there...very, very thickly I must say! And it is not of a religious nature. Perhaps you can snap them out of their trances and have them see the light...then maybe you can save their future generation. How many women from Islamic cultures had spoke out and are now in hiding, or in fear of their life because of jihad! Some of these women reside and had spoken out in Canada...and had received death threats in Canada! You can't compare our society with Islamic cultures. I've yet to see a man convicted of rape in our society be given the penalty of praying 100 Hail Marys and self-flagellation infront of the Crucifix.....or the parents of a murdered child be allowed to have a go at his killer as "an eye for an eye".

OH NO! <shudder> There goes Canada's image! Surely, despotic corrupt tin pots think so lowly of us now! But why don't I give a hoot? I must be so insensitive and uncaring. <shrug> I'd say Canada should lead in ripping apart the farcical UN! The UN should follow the way of the League of Nations. Dead and buried!

Is it L'Oreal? I'd say he IS dead. His followers are desperately trying to keep him alive. Too bad with the hellish make-over. Dressing him in all black would've been much cooler, ala-Matrix, Darth Vader - Arabian Nights-style! If this was a US-conspiracy like some anti-Bush would like to sell, Germany must be in on it? They were saying that they've been surveilling those guys recently arrested for sometime and that they knew something was up. Yep, these terrorists are heavy on symbolism. So it's only sensible to assume that Sep 11 could be a good target. I'd say this new tape reduced Bin Laden to a caricature - a fodder for lots of late-night shows' laughs and stand-up comic wannabes. Hmmmm....maybe, that's the plan....

Back in the mother country I worked at an American Air Base (in a daycare). After I've applied to come to Canada I decided to get a job in another field just so to have as much work experiences as possible. So I applied at Law Enforcement (also inside the American Air Base) - Security Police - but as a clerk/secretary. A lot of applicants for that job....an up-grade for a lot of us (including another co-worker at the daycare who also got inetviewed). I knew I didn't do too well at the formal interview (done by the Officer In Charge who was going to be the boss of whoever gets hired)....my only experience then was daycare! After the interview I was at the bus stop waiting for the bus. This guy happens to come by and offered me a lift. I accepted the lift. Then I told him frankly that I did not expect to be hired, and that I understand. And this was where it became cool and quite memorable for me... I told him, "why will you hire me? I have no experience. My only experience is daycare." He nodded in agreement. I pressed on and said: "I would like so much to have experience other than daycare." He asked: "Don't you have any clerical experience at all?" I answered, "none." But out of desperation I guess, I quickly added: "But I watch a lot of cop shows on tv! I love cop shows!" There was a sudden interest in his voice..."Do you watch HillStreet Blues?" I sadly said, "Unfortunately....that is one show that I haven't watched." And that was the end of the odd exchange. I've reached my destination, and thanked him for the ride. (NOTE: later, I found out this guy was a die-hard fan of HillStreet Blues. Everyone in the division knew about that and joked about it!) Lo and behold, a couple of days later, I got a call. I got the job! He told me the reason why I got the job: Of all the applicants who apllied, I was the only one with no one to "back me up." He wanted someone who'll be loyal to him....not to some other high-ranking officer who was a "back-up." My co-worker at the daycare cried when she heard I got the job. Her backer was a general. That job was one of the most fun job I've ever had! A lot of humorous situations and incidents! It could've been a sitcom! Only three women work in that place (one detective and another clerk)...and we all got along well! My boss turned out to be very strict with temper tantrums, but cool in his own way! If I didn't come to Canada, I had the feeling that I would've ended up getting trained as a detective. By the end, I was already being asked to sit through and observe interrogations. It's fun working with the lads! Now I just have to tell about a CANADA job interview. So after I got to Canada (AND STILL DOZEY, I must add), of course I tried to get into Law Enforcement. I applied as a ....tadaaaaaa...."Ticket Maid." The guy who interviewed me liked the fact that I got the experience at law enforcement - my former boss gave me such a good letter of recommendation. So the guy asked me something like this: "what will you do if a guy you ticketed got so mad at you and threatens to hit you?" I must have looked aghast at the thought (probably my facial expression was so pronounced) because before I could answer he said reassuringly..."okay, okay...don't worry. There's usually a cop nearby." That was a relief. My interviewer was so nice, I guess I was doing pretty well with the interview. The next day, I got the call. I got the job! The guy told me where to go. Then he mentioned something about a driver's license. And I said..."I don't have a driver's license." He was surprised. "You don't?" "I don't know how to drive." I said. So of course, he had to explain that it was a job requirement to be able to drive....and needless to say, he had to withdraw the offer. A couple of days later, I got another call from the same place asking me to come for orientation. I said, "wait....I have to tell you I don't know how to drive. I don't have a driver's license." I found it funny.

But what "extreme reaction?" If you're talking about the violent scuffle....yes you may say that reaction was extreme. But again, those who were involved were said to be "youth". We see strange extreme reactions perpetuated not only by youths, but by adults as well during Hockey or Football seasons....the rampage and vandalisms on the streets whether to celebrate a victory...or to mourn their loss. But I do find some reactions on this thread from those who supports gay rights to be on the extreme side. It only demonstrates what some of us mean that one cannot give an open opinion without being insulted, or personally attacked, or pegged or implied to be a bigot....or gay-hater. In other words, you can't say boo. Gays must belong to the most-protected rare species. Isn't that something?

Double cool!

Cool!

Don't forget, we're talking about a so-called art display that was opened to public scrutiny and interpretation. Just think of this like a movie. Of course there'll be different reviews and critiques about it. That to some of us it's gotten the tomato rating...not because it was a gay group that organized it....but because of the way it was made and presented. Perhaps some of us would say otherwise if the presentation of their message (that Christ belongs to everyone), was done differently. So, those who saw and hated the movie Brokeback Mountain because it was such a long and boring movie....you think they found it boring and hated it just because it was about the love affair of 2 gays? That's the sum of what you're saying here.

No. Although that's the way you want to see it. It is the old typical liberal ploy of using the "bigot card"...in an indirect way. Obviously. Btw, are you saying calling a gay a faggot is not an insult?

Well it depends on how the art display was intended. In this case, I'd say it was intended more as an insult not only to Christians but also to Christ. Speaking of respect....does art showing Christ kissing a Hindu god showing respect for their God (if it is to be believed these gay organizers truly think of Christ as their God)? And what is this faggot crucifixion? What does the Crucifixion means among Christians? Isn't faggot an insulting name for gays? The organizers wanted to be controversial I guess. This display was spurred by activism...plain and simple. Along the same level as the so-called art of the urinated Christ. And speaking of respect....respect begets respect! This display was a sneer towards Christianity. And yes I do not condone violence...nevertheless I, and anyone who'd like to criticize this display, to give our review of this so-called art....or to sneer back.... have absolutely the right to do so. We do not have to be respectful about it either. So yes, to some of us, it is a hateful display! Not all sexual predators have anything to do with homosexuality....but I wouldn't go as far as to claim that there are no homosexual predators....or that ALL sexual predators have absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality. The subject may not be to everyone's liking....but being as painful and disgusting as it is, yes it definitely belongs in an intelligent and mature discussion....with the hope that it remains civil.

If majority of Canadians believed that Canada was on the right track before Harper....Martin would still be sitting as Prime Minister today.

6 out of 10 Canadians believe that Canada is on the right track. That's according to the poll that was discussed on CTV's Question Period today. Therefore, 6 out of 10 Canadians have a positive view of Harper's government. And this is inspite of the Afghan war casualties. What more when McKay really tackle the job of communicating and explaining the importance of the mission. Harper is doing very well as a leader.