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21 hours ago, Aristides said:
Good god, this is intelligence sharing, don’t you think it would be confidential? Do you blab what is told to you in confidence to the whole world?
Releasing the source would at the very least, require the permission of that source. Who knows what assets of theirs could be compromised by making it public.You don’t take the word of the US ambassador just because you don’t feel like it?
This isn't about being a "fan."
This is about "looking at things.................... OBJECTIVELY and RATIONALLY.
It's become the norm for liberals to presume guilt before any trials......and in this case, even before being presented with an evidence. All it takes is an accusation, and your whole world can be turned upside down. Scary mentality - some liberals have nowadays. It's so like..........communist!. Therefore - don't even try to bring up the RULE OF LAW!
WHAT, 'RULE OF LAW?"
Presumed innocent until proven guilty! That part rings a bell?
When you're making a very serious public accusation about a nation's leader before the whole world..............citing "confidentiality," seems so hollow and immature. Especially so when it is about an important ally and trade partner. "Confidentiality," will seem like a very convenient cop-out.
I haven't checked the news yet as of this writing.
So far, Trudeau is asking for INDIA's help in investigating. HELLO?
LOL - after humiliating Modi and INDIA publicly before the global community, what should we expect from India? To come forward willingly and cooperate? ?
G-eyes - even the ones who shared intel with us - aren't coming forward to CORROBORATE the allegations! ALL WE HAVE IS AN ALLEGATION!
The accuser says: he did it!
The accused says: I didn't!
Therefore, right now - this is a matter of "he says, he says!"
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19 hours ago, Aristides said:
The evidence isn’t mine and apparently some of it came from one of our 5 Eyes partners. I just think comparing freezing a bank account in Canada to assassination on foreign soil. is ridiculous.
Who is this other 5-eyes?
Unless the particular 5 eyes partners who gave the intel come forward to corroborate that claim.
As far as I know, no one has.
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1 hour ago, Aristides said:
Who did Trudeau have assissinated in a foreign country or anywhere else?
Why?
Where's your evidence that Modi did.
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17 hours ago, CdnFox said:
So you lied. You claimed that he had been declared to be the leader of the org or a specific attack and in reality that's not true. He's ALLEGED to have been a conspirator in a security notice. And given that there were no charges, obviously that's a big 'maybe'.
Well. Glad you got to the truth there in the end. But in any case it does not appear at any point as tho he was a leader.
Spin it as you wish.
But, according to Global News, he was on Interpol List. India's media calls it, "RED CORNER NOTICE."
I looked it up, what it means.
https://www.interpol.int/How-we-work/Notices/Red-Notices
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Not saying that I agree with assassinations done by foreign individuals in sovereign nations, but to get some perspective on this issue - put ourselves in MODI's shoes!
Apparently, Hardeep Singh is also raising funds to support the seperatist movement in India.
Lol - didn't the Liberals explode when money from Conservatives in the USA start pouring in to support the CONVOY protest? Wasn't the Convoy people accused of terrorism?
Didn't Trudeau start freezing bank assets? Was that constitutional?
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On 9/18/2023 at 11:05 PM, CdnFox said:
Yeah but at the end of the day we can't tolerate any other country doing 'hits' in our country regardless. Just makes us look weak.
I don't think anyone is saying that!
THIS IS THE POINT: at the end of the day - if we're going to hurt ECONOMIC ties, let alone a friendly relation with a long-time ally - we need more than just an accusation!
THAT'S THE ISSUE!
ESPECIALLY SO, when relations are shaky already in the first place. Everyone knows MODI doesn't like Trudeau................. for meddling with the farmers' protest!
Trudeau should've really walked on eggshells around this murder.
Utmost diplomacy is what any responsible leader would do, mindful of the economic repercussions at a time when CANADIANS are facing such financial crisis!
I don't know what you and I are arguing about!
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On 9/19/2023 at 9:56 AM, QuebecOverCanada said:
Czechoslovakia split and there was not even a single drop of blood.
It made both countries, Czech Republic and Slovakia, both richer, safer and it protected their identity.
It's when one party wants to control the other and forces the domination that it creates issues. In this case, Hindus in India want to dominate the Sikhs, and guess what, the union is as bad or may be worse as if there was a separation.
A terrorist for one is a hero or a martyr for another.
I suppose the Font Liberte du Quebec must be a hero in Quebec to some.
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8 hours ago, CdnFox said:
Where do you see that he's listed as the leader of the org with interpol at all?
and i dont know about his rejection the first time, but the second time he married a canadian 11 days after the first rejection and they said "nice try'
He appealed that in court. It was also rejected in 2001
I'm wondering how he got in eventually after all those, and became a citizen in 2015.
The whole point though is that Justin Trudeau has not given any evidence for such a strong accusation against an ally and lucrative trading partner.
I mean, you just don't get up on the House of Commons and make that kind of accusation without backing it up. No one was given any evidence - not even the opposition leaders - as far as I know from the news.
The way Trudeau - with that sombre face and tone - stood up before the House of Commons to drop the bombshell. It smacks more of "THEATRE" to me since he doesn't provide any answers!
WHY ANNOUNCE IT PUBLICLY, if he can't show anything?
If they're still investigating - then how did he come to the conclusion that the India government was involved?
Furthermore -
If they don't know who the killers were - how could they have known they were from the India government? It could've been a local vendetta killing. A month after that other guy (who was acquitted from Air India bombing) seems to also have been assasinated. We don't know.
But look where it's led Canada and India relations!
It could've been handled diplomatically, I think if Trudeau doesn't have anything solid to back his words.
He better bring something to the table!
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7 hours ago, CdnFox said:
Where do you see that he's listed as the leader of the org with interpol at all?
and i dont know about his rejection the first time, but the second time he married a canadian 11 days after the first rejection and they said "nice try'
In 1997, Nijjar came to Canada, claiming he had been beaten and tortured by Indian police. In 1998, his refugee claim was denied. According to his immigration records, he used a fraudulent passport that identified him as “Ravi Sharma.”
“I know that my life would be in grave danger if I had to go back to my country, India,” he wrote in his affidavit, dated June 9, 1998.
His application was rejected, and 11 days later Nijjar married a B.C. woman who sponsored him to immigrate as her spouse.
On his application form, he was asked whether he was associated with a group that used or advocated “armed struggle or violence to reach political, religious or social objectives.”
He said “no,” but immigration officials considered it a marriage of convenience and rejected Nijjar’s application. Nijjar appealed to the courts and lost in 2001, but he later identified himself as a Canadian citizen.
Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada declined to comment to Global News at the time of that report, citing privacy legislation.
On Tuesday, immigration minister Marc Miller confirmed that Nijjar became a Canadian citizen on March 3, 2015.
He was accused of being involved in the 2007 bombing of a cinema in Punjab.
A 2016 Interpol notice against him alleged he was a “key conspirator” in the attack. He was accused of recruiting and fundraising, a charge that Nijjar vehemently denied.
https://globalnews.ca/news/9969537/who-is-hardeep-singh-nijjar/
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30 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:
There's a paywall to see this G&M article: The killing of Hardeep Singh Nijjar: A timeline of events
Do you have access?
I didn't know it has a paywall. I don't think I have access..........but I'm surprised I was able to get that far.
I just tried accessing the timeline - I can't get in.
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The pressure is really gonna hit:
The opposition parties have rightly echoed the government’s condemnation of the notion of an assassination of a Canadian citizen, but they have done so in an information vacuum. That vacuum must be filled.
More than that, Canadians deserve clarity on such an important matter, particularly given the potential for significant diplomatic and economic repercussions.
But what of the national security imperative to protect sources and methods? Those concerns have been raised as a shield, time and again, in the debate over China’s attempt to meddle in Canada’s elections. They remain, for the most part, a self-serving justification for officials to retain control over information that belongs in the public sphere.
Some particulars of intelligence-gathering techniques may need to be held back from public view. Everything else must be brought to light, and not just because Canadians deserve clarity. Realpolitik will be served as well.
To date, Ottawa’s efforts to round up support from its closest allies have been unsuccessful. The Liberals have denied reports that our allies refused Canada’s request to condemn India over Mr. Nijjar’s killing. Whatever parsing of language allows for that statement, the reality is this: No country has.
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She was the biggest surprise in the leadership race.
Anaida Poilievre, doing her part, reaching out to the Latino community:
I think, when election time comes - she'll be doing the rounds - reaching out to minority groups in the GTA, British Columbia and Quebec.
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On 9/19/2023 at 2:15 PM, CdnFox said:
I'm always up for it - and we did with Harper. "China - Don't you DARE invite the dalai lama to your country or we won't trade with you!" Harper - "Eff you, i'm having him around for tea thursday. AND i'm putting out the good biscuits"
The fact trudeau has been lazy in the past is no reason not to do the right things now.
Lol - that's not a comparison! Unless the dalai lama is accused of terrorism, and is listed on the INTERPOL!
15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:Right. So my point is that we need to know more details about this guy and the accusations against him, and against the Indian government. There's a lot of unproven claims being made by everyone.
I really don't think we'll learn the truth though because of all the politicking that's happening, unless some investigative journalism uncovers some things
I agree - that's why I'm saying, all we have right now are Trudeau's words! Pardon me for being a skeptic......but Trudeau needs a manna from heaven right now to distract from his failings as a PM, not to mention his sinking poll numbers.
But we do know that this man was listed on the INTERPOL as the leader of the bombing in Punjab. That kinda supports Modi's accusation.
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9 hours ago, CdnFox said:
Well he did deny it - but of course that doesn't prove he wasn't either. And the indians never claimed he was THE leader - they know he wasn't - but that he was "a" leader, meaning he was high up in the org but not leading it.
And they didn't provide much proof of that as far as i can see.
Here's the thing - i see references that say india discussed extradition with Canada and we do have a treaty for that with india. They just have to provide reasonable evidence that a criminal charge is reasonably justified. BUt he was never extradited.
Which tells me that they didn't have that evidence. Or couldn't provide it for some reason which isn't our fault.
How come he's listed with the INTERPOL as the leader with regards to that bombing in Punjab??
I'd like to know why he was rejected to be in Canada for 2 or three times!
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I hope this accusation against India isn't all "theatre" to try to improve sagging polls.
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There's so much at stake here. India has always been a friend. And trading partner.
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2 hours ago, Aristides said:
We have an extradition treaty with India but like with the US, we will not extradite someone to be executed.
All we know for sure about Nijjer is that he was promoting a referendum on independence, the terrorism accusations are just that.
No, we don't have to extradite if we don't have the treaty for that. But .......we are also responsible for our own citizens. Just because we pride ourselves as democratic, doesn't give us any right to INTERFERE, let alone our citizens commit terrorist acts with impunity!
All we know is what Trudeau is saying right now!
Where are the evidence?
How come other nations aren't pointing any finger directly at INDIA government?
We do know though, that INTERPOL has this Sikh leader on its list, as a terrorist. And this individual's application to come to Canada has been rejected so many times! THERE HAS TO BE A REASON FOR ALL THOSE REJECTIONS!
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9 minutes ago, Aristides said:
There is no difference to the killers. You want to let them make the rules over who lives and dies in Canada?
We don’t have capital punishment but you are welcome to come here and kill anyone you think has wronged you?
No, you're not welcome here to kill anyone who has wronged you.
But it should be that our citizens are not FREE to commit terrorisms in other countries.
If Canada does an injustice by protecting terrorists - then I think victims of terrorisms, can exact their own kind of justice. :shrug:
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Let's not be too quick to jump to conclusions.
For all we know, this is another distraction!
Getting the whole nation to jump on board and stand behind TRUDEAU.........against INDIA's government.
Lol - forget the inflation now even larger. forget the housing crisis, etc.., This thing with India could very well dominate the news for quite a while. It gives the Trudeau media something to turn the page with.
Trudeau says intelligence shows India was behind slaying of Sikh leader in Surrey, B.C.
in Federal Politics in Canada
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Modi claimed to have talked to Trudeau about Nijjar being a terrorist responsible for some terrorist crimes. It wasn't the first time India brought this up it seems.
Granted we can't extradite him nor can we suppress freedom of speech - but instead, making him a Canadian citizen right on the heels of their complaint against him - wouldn't that be a provocation? Wouldn't that clearly indicate, in nor uncertain terms, that they're ignoring INDIA?
Something else could be at play here.
If the whole WESTERN NATIONS get involved against India - who do you think will be clapping its hands with glee? If there is a fall-out between WESTERN NATIONS and India - who do you think will benefit the most?
C H I N A.
On the grand geopolitical chess board, India is a key player.
Not only is it a growing power - the most populous country in the world, the fifth-biggest economy. But it is also seen by the West as a potential bulwark against China.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66856568?at_link_id=8DF654A8-570F-11EE-BB14-7350FE754D29&at_link_type=web_link&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_campaign_type=owned&at_format=link&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_link_origin=BBCNews