betsy

There are a lot of ancient flood stories....and that certainly could prove to skeptics that indeed Noah's global flooding truly happened. As to the similarities between Noah's and Gilgamesh....it could perhaps over the course of time, versions changed. In ancient time, history or events were preserved by oral traditions too. The one thing we definitely know for sure, the Bible is very much still around today as we speak - the continuity and fluidity of its message hardly changed, if it ever did at all. On top of that, we've got modern science continuously proving it true.

How? Can you be more specific?

We don't see eye-to-eye because you are responding as an atheist and I am responding as a Christian. I guess it must be confusing for atheists to grasp the concept of God (Creator who created everything) who was never created but has always existed. I guess it wasn't properly read and edited. But the point he/she's trying to make is there. So how do you think the universe came to be here?

Due to the Second Law of Thermodynamics... FACT: The universe must have had a beginning. http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=346 * Dr. Gish is Vice-President of the Institute for Creation Research

FACT: The universe is deteriorating. http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=346

FACT: A finished creation. http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=346

If so? If so - as I replied that he's always existed - then how did he came to be? He's always existed. No one created Him....because if He's always existed, He didn't need to be created. Just pause and re-read your question. As you'd described Him, He is "such a powerful and complex being." His power is such that He created everything! He is so "complex" that we can't even imagine understanding Him....unless He wants us to. Let me ask you this: How do you think the universe came to be? Maybe. Maybe science will prove you right....just the same way science is proving the Bible right.

God has always existed.

Aren't you going through with the hindsight of knowing there are references of spirits and souls in the Bible, and that you're trying to fit that in? Hebrews 11:3 (New International Version) 3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at Gods command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. The key word is: universe. And the key line is "not made out of"....stated along the context of the universe being formed or created. "Not made out of what was visible." Therefore it's made out of what was invisible. Everything is made out of atoms. It's God's building blocks!

IFyou're basing it only on these statements alone - and as you can see, it's not the only basis of this thread! First you have to consider the other verses given with that line. Jonah 2:3-6 (New International version) 3 You hurled me into the depths, into the very heart of the seas, and the currents swirled about me; all your waves and breakers swept over me. 4 I said, ‘I have been banished from your sight; yet I will look again toward your holy temple.’ 5 The engulfing waters threatened me, the deep surrounded me; seaweed was wrapped around my head. 6 To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in forever. The context clearly depicts Jonah sank to the bottom of the sea. All the way to the "roots of the mountains. In those days, who would've thought there'd be mountains under the sea? As for the "roots of mountains," notice the plural form. From what I understand there are mountain ranges at the depths of the ocean....and with mountain ranges, definitely they come along with "valleys" that can also be described as trenches.

So let's correct it then. FACT: ENERGY Genesis 1 (New International Version) 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light (energy). 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. Oh boy, imagine that! The way the universe is expressed on these terms - time, space, matter, power energy and motion - Genesis 3 still came up with the needed word! Coincidence, skeptics may say. Is it?

FACT: “Many of the great scientists of the past who founded and developed the key disciplines of science were creationists!” Excerpts from.... http://www.icr.org/article/bible-believing-scientists-past/

Golly! Of all the scientific facts I've given so far, you can only come up with this one? Circle/sphere. I remember drawing a circle representing the earth! Anyway, that's just one guy's personal comment on it....one of the many personal comments thrown around everywhere.

That's just plain rubbish! Just check out the books written for it...and against it! Any book that dwells on the subject of religion, God, beliefe etc.., is sure to bring up the Bible. It's so scrutinized by its detractors who're trying to find something to say against it or disprove it! You, yourself, had indicated that you've read - and I assumed tried at least to understand, if not scrutinized - the Bible!

FACT: Invisible atoms, the building blocks Hebrews 11:3 (New International Version) 3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. Colossians 1:15-17 (New International Version) The Supremacy of the Son of God 15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Apparently the use of "circle" is indeed a controversial statement. One of the views presented is this: http://www.bibleandscience.com/bible/books/genesis/genesis1_circleearth.htm Anyway, the circle is a two-dimensional geometric representation of a sphere. Btw, I stumbled onto this which might be of special interest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great-circle_distance And here I was envisioning a perfect round.

FACT: Noahs Ark and Ship Building In Genesis 6, God gave Noah the dimensions of the ark he was to build. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+8&version=AMP

FACT: Mountains and trenches in the deep blue sea. Jonah 2:3-6 (New International version) 3 You hurled me into the depths, into the very heart of the seas, and the currents swirled about me; all your waves and breakers swept over me. 4 I said, I have been banished from your sight; yet I will look again toward your holy temple. 5 The engulfing waters threatened me, the deep surrounded me; seaweed was wrapped around my head. 6 To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in forever. Towering mountains and deep trenches in the depths of the oceans were discovered in the last century.

The Urantia Book apparently originated between 1924 and 1955, according to Wiki. It's non-comparable at all with the Biblical facts that were clearly stated at least a thousand years ago - and have been supported by science.

FACT: The earth is round. Isaiah 40:22 (New International Version) 22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. FACT: There is an incalculable number of stars. Jeremiah 33:22 (New International Version) 22 I will make the descendants of David my servant and the Levites who minister before me as countless as the stars in the sky and as measureless as the sand on the seashore.’”

FACT: Nothing holds up Earth. It is affected by gravity. Job 26:7 (New International Version) 7 He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing. http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=20124

The Bible is the best-selling book of all time. It is also the most scrutinized book that’s ever written. Scrutiny comes not only from Christians cementing their faith or skeptics seeking truth, but most intense scrutiny comes from those with hostile intentions. This thread is created with the purpose of showing skeptics that the Bible is indeed The Word of God, to promote an open-minded interest in reading and study of the Bible, and to help strengthen the Christian faith in the face of relentless hostility and attacks. But first, here is a brief description of the Bible. Excerpt from the transcript of “ Word Of God” as delivered by Charles Price: http://www.livingtruth.ca/Res-TRAN.asp There is no doubt that Science does not contradict, but rather supports the Bible. Several statements from The Bible – a lot of them describing or attributing to creation – have become scientific facts. I. myself am learning as I go along researching about these. As I’ve stated elsewhere in this forum the first 10 words of Genesis speak of time, space and matter – actually the universe is scientifically expressed in this terms: time, space, matter, power and motion. Genesis 1(New International Version) The Beginning 1 In the beginning (time) God created (power)the heavens (space) and the earth (matter). 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering (motion) over the waters. Coincidence, a skeptic might say. Is it?

What exactly did he prophecise? I hope you're not mistaking his personal opinion for a prophesy. Stating that Haiti's being punished by God - that's an opinion, not a prophecy. He's reacting to an event that already happened. If he had said "Haiti will be struck by an earthquake as a punishment from God," that is making a prophecy, although I'm not sure if such a "prophesy" falls under the Jeanne Dixon-type of prophecy/prediction. There is a method of conducting a study on prophecies (I've read it somewhere). If I'm not mistaken the Bible's been subjected to such study. That article you gave - that guy giving an exact date on the end of the world - that is an example of a prophecy. The Bible said no one knows when the end is coming. It comes "like a thief in the night." So I don't think there'll be any warning. Is there rapture or not? Christians shouldn't split hairs on that one. If there is, there is. If not, there's not. Better to focus on the most important message(s) in the Bible.

In-figthing. That's their biggest problem! On Tuesday when they had their first meeting, several Liberal MPs came out talking to the press. Carolyn Bennett was rabid (calling for Liberal Party President App's resignation), Ray and Kuriyakis also gave their rebukes! As one Liberal strategist said, they should stop talking to the press! It's true. How can you rebuild and re-package the Party into something new? Furthermore, not only do they seem so divided....it also make them seem so undisciplined! Some Liberals have this tendency to vent to the press. You don't wash your dirty linens in public! That should be their first rule.

I don't know him. Someone mentioned him here on the forum and I googled. Btw, I can't access your link. I mistook it for this news about an earthquake prediction in Italy (the same day 2 earthquakes hit Spain). It was predicted by a seismologist though, and there was no mention of religion. I guess this is not the same one you're referring to. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/8508390/Spain-earthquake-Rome-earthquake-rumour-sparks-mass-exodus.html