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Canadian leftists hate Harper for his ideology. When Harper stood up in the Commons to voice his support for Bush and the US, they loathe him! They'd never forgiven him for that! And yes, that undercurrent of anti-semitism really exists! The left looks the other way when other neighboring nations attack Israel (e.g recent Lebanon war), and rebukes Israel when it retaliates and defend itself. Btw, didn't Ignatieff made a big blunder by publicly castigating Israel for that Lebanon war? Harper, in his first foreign meeting with other world leaders refused to sign the piece of paper (can't remember what) unless that paper acknowledge Israeli victims. I remember applauding him....he kept those blasted world leaders waiting and fuming, and in the end Harper got his way! So, yes Harper's stance against this so-called peaceful resolution being brokered by Obama is consistent!

I agree with PM Harper. Israel was provoked to war and thus, it has the right to those borders. And yes it does shows independent policy despite US pressures. The question is why would Obama put such pressure on Israel? Is this for political posturing (riding high after the Bin Laden success)...or is there truth to the rumour that Obama is secretly a Muslim? And anti-Israel?

It depends on the seriousness of the crime. Even if the victim had forgiven the perpetrator.....aren't cases termed as such, "The people vs John Doe? As Saipan stated above, it's about protecting the people! Showing a clear consequence for crimes committed.

Michael Hardner, correct me if I misunderstood. Were you referring to yourself as an agnostic Christian? How can one be an agnostic and at the same time be a Christian? What is an agnostic Christian?

For Obama/Bush policies (both leaders of givernment), check out my Bible passage and interpretation. As for Jesus offering no resistance at all when he was tortured and executed, He knew the time had come for Him to fulfill the reason why He was sent by His Father here on earth. How can He fulfill what He came to do - offering Himself as the Lamb to be sscrificed for our sins - if He doesn't die?

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With all the scientific facts found in the Bible, it cannot be said that everything is just coincidental! And this is one of the scientific facts that took my breath away: http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=274 Zeccheraih 12:1 1 A prophecy: The word of the LORD concerning Israel. The LORD, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the human spirit within a person, declares: Jeremiah 10:12 (and also Jer 51:15) 12 But God made the earth by his power; he founded the world by his wisdom and stretched out the heavens by his understanding. Psalm 104:2 2 The LORD wraps himself in light as with a garment; he stretches out the heavens like a tent Job 9:8 8 He alone stretches out the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea. Isaiah 40:21-22 21 Do you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood since the earth was founded? 22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. Isaiah 42:5 5 This is what God the LORD says— the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out, who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it: Isaiah 44:24 24 “This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself, Isaiah 45:12 12 It is I who made the earth and created mankind on it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts. Isaiah 48:12-13 12 “Listen to me, Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last. 13 My own hand laid the foundations of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I summon them, they all stand up together. Isaiah 51:12-13 12 “I, even I, am he who comforts you. Who are you that you fear mere mortals, human beings who are but grass, 13 that you forget the LORD your Maker, who stretches out the heavens and who lays the foundations of the earth, that you live in constant terror every day because of the wrath of the oppressor, who is bent on destruction? For where is the wrath of the oppressor? For that line repeated at least 11 times , and in the right context.....truly, only the Designer could've known about that!

You seem to be struggling, so let me help you. This religious philosophy is more than just a philosophy! As you can see, it's giving empirical evidences - readable, therefore observable - that answers to origin/creation and other facts known only to One who has intimate knowledge. They are in the Bible looooooong before science discovered and understood them!

Stop resisting. Your popular science mags - evolutionists science rags - are no match to the Bible. If you really search for knowledge, then you should read and understand the Bible - because obviously you only think you do, but you don't really know the Bible at all! You're just repeating what you read/heard being said about it - just as you're repeating what you've read from your pseudo-science tabloids! I don't mean that as an insult. I was that before about the Bible....and I'm still learning. In fact, I'm being blown away by some of the details I learn as I do my researching - Biblical/scientific facts! It's like I've opened my pandora's box! Clearly for the thinking skeptics, the theory of Intelligent Design is the ONLY VALID theory there is, as clearly evidenced by the facts posted on this thread so far, - we're not done yet - easily sweeping off other nonsense theories off the path! There's way too many factual information regarding creation/origin that only the Creator/Designer could know. And clearly - without any doubt - that Designer is the Judeo-Christian God! The One and Only! There is no other. None! Anyway - with your obvious fixation/reliance on science - it's only sensible that you read, study and understand -the ancient Book that declared a lot of scientific facts long before science discovered them! It's what any thinking skeptic would sensibly do!

From the kind of responses from Dre, Cybercoma and ScouterJim.....oh boy.... ...you guys are stumped!

Is that all you got?

Obviously you do! Are you a twin of Cybercoma? You're lost too? You better take that tinted glasses off so you'll see clearly where you are. And, you just don't read the topic titles - you have to understand what they mean! You think when I titled this topic - THE BIBLE, (sciences, prophecies, studies/interpretations) - I was only kidding???

FACT: BLOOD – THE RIVER OF LIFE Up to approx. a century ago, it was common for sick people to be “bled”, and the process caused a lot of death. God revealed that “the life of a creature is in the blood,” long before science understood its function. Leviticus 17:11 11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life. Leviticus 17:14 14 because the life of every creature is its blood. That is why I have said to the Israelites, "You must not eat the blood of any creature, because the life of every creature is its blood; anyone who eats it must be cut off." http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/circulatory/blood.htm http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=1823

FACT: The human body is comprised of some 28 base and trace elements which are all found in the earth God created man from the dust of the ground. Genesis 2:7 7 Then the LORD God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Genesis 3:19 19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return. Read more: http://www.lenntech.com/periodic-chart-elements/human-body.htm#ixzz1N2DqkJj0 http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/f/blbodyelements.htm

Oh he did prophecised Judgement Day? Based on what Jesus said in the Bible (Death will come as a thief in the night is one verse referring this), I don't think God will give any warning to us when the time comes. Furthermore, a false prophet is marked by his false prophecies. Makes you wonder why they'd do something like that - make prophecies! News guys say it's a publicity stunt to generate more donations. How many would donate to someone who didn't get it right, I wonder? Must be worth it.

Or....perhaps the flag-waving and display of celebration was more of a tit-for-tat directed towards the Muslims who celebrated on the street during 9/11.

Here is the passage being discussed: Look at all the examples Jesus gave: Sue you and take your shirt. Force you to go one mile. Asks you. Borrow from you. These are civil issues! Like the ones Judge Judy will tackle in her court! Jesus did not give any reference to any violent acts, except the slapping on the right cheek. Why specifically the right cheek? Because that expression is a Jewish idiom that is described as an insult. So He's saying, don't get into a mud-slinging or insult-hurling match - slander/libel/defamation!

We cannot just pick out verses and interpret them the way they read. They have to be within the proper context, and with real thoughtful study. http://www.lawandliberty.org/defense.htm

John 18:22-23 22 When Jesus said this, one of the officials nearby slapped him in the face. “Is this the way you answer the high priest?” he demanded. 23 “If I said something wrong,” Jesus replied, “testify as to what is wrong. But if I spoke the truth, why did you strike me?” 24 Then Annas sent him bound to Caiaphas the high priest. http://tkdtutor.com/TOPICS/Self-Defense/Self-Defense-In-Bible/Self-Defense-In-Bible-01.html

Romans 13: 1-10 Submission to Governing Authorities 1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. Love Fulfills the Law 8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Excerpt from The Christian and Civil Government http://bible.org/seriespage/christian-and-civil-government-romans-131-7 Regarding capital punishment, refer to verses 2, 4 and 5. As for the shooting of an unarmed Bin Laden....we have to remember he was a criminal who committed and instigated acts of crimes in various parts of the world, a wanted man (dead or alive) by the law (issued by governments, and if I'm not mistaken by the UN(?)). And it's not as if we needed any trial to determine his guilt. Therefore, killing him was not against God's law, as clearly stated here: Romans 13:4 But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health PROMISCUITY, UNLAWFUL LIFESTYLES and DISEASE Excerpt from The First Book of Public Hygiene: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i1/hygiene.asp (Exclusive married unit) Genesis 1 27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. Genesis 2:23-25 23 The man said, “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man.” 24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh. Matthew 19:3-6 3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?” 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” (Sexual relations outside of marriage) Exodus 20:14 14 “You shall not commit adultery. Leviticus 18:22 22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable. 10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death. 11 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. 12 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his daughter-in-law, both of them are to be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads. 13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. 14 “‘If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you. 15 “‘If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he is to be put to death, and you must kill the animal. 16 “‘If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. Exodus 20:14 14 “You shall not commit adultery.

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health FOOD and DRINKING WATER SAFETY Excerpt from The First Book of Public Hygiene: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i1/hygiene.asp Leviticus 11:34-36 34 Any food you are allowed to eat that has come into contact with water from any such pot is unclean, and any liquid that is drunk from such a pot is unclean. 35 Anything that one of their carcasses falls on becomes unclean; an oven or cooking pot must be broken up. They are unclean, and you are to regard them as unclean. 36 A spring, however, or a cistern for collecting water remains clean, but anyone who touches one of these carcasses is unclean. Leviticus 15 12 “‘A clay pot that the man touches must be broken, and any wooden article is to be rinsed with water.

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health CORPSES and BURIAL PRECAUTIONS Excerpt from The First Book of Public Hygiene: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i1/hygiene.asp Numbers 19:11; 14-16 and 22 11 “Whoever touches a human corpse will be unclean for seven days 14 “This is the law that applies when a person dies in a tent: Anyone who enters the tent and anyone who is in it will be unclean for seven days, 15 and every open container without a lid fastened on it will be unclean. 16 “Anyone out in the open who touches someone who has been killed with a sword or someone who has died a natural death, or anyone who touches a human bone or a grave, will be unclean for seven days. 19 The man who is clean is to sprinkle those who are unclean on the third and seventh days, and on the seventh day he is to purify them. Those who are being cleansed must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and that evening they will be clean. 22 Anything that an unclean person touches becomes unclean, and anyone who touches it becomes unclean till evening.” Leviticus 11: 31-35; 39-40 31 Of all those that move along the ground, these are unclean for you.Whoever touches them when they are dead will be unclean till evening. 32 When one of them dies and falls on something, that article, whatever its use, will be unclean, whether it is made of wood, cloth, hide or sackcloth. Put it in water; it will be unclean till evening, and then it will be clean. 33 If one of them falls into a clay pot, everything in it will be unclean, and you must break the pot. 34 Any food you are allowed to eat that has come into contact with water from any such pot is unclean, and any liquid that is drunk from such a pot is unclean. 35 Anything that one of their carcasses falls on becomes unclean; an oven or cooking pot must be broken up. They are unclean, and you are to regard them as unclean.. 39 If an animal that you are allowed to eat dies, anyone who touches its carcass will be unclean till evening. 40 Anyone who eats some of its carcass must wash their clothes, and they will be unclean till evening. Anyone who picks up the carcass must wash their clothes, and they will be unclean till evening.

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health DIAGNOSIS and ISOLATION Excerpt from The First Book of Public Hygiene: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i1/hygiene.asp (Diagnosis) Leviticus !3:1 1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 "When anyone has a swelling or a rash or a bright spot on his skin that may become an infectious skin disease, he must be brought to Aaron the priest or to one of his sons who is a priest. Leviticus 14:57 57 to determine when something is clean or unclean. (Isolation) Numbers 5: 1-4 The Purity of the Camp 1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 “Command the Israelites to send away from the camp anyone who has a defiling skin disease[a] or a discharge of any kind, or who is ceremonially unclean because of a dead body. 3 Send away male and female alike; send them outside the camp so they will not defile their camp, where I dwell among them.” 4 The Israelites did so; they sent them outside the camp. They did just as the LORD had instructed Moses. Leviticus 13:45-46 45 “Anyone with such a defiling disease must wear torn clothes, let their hair be unkempt,[c] cover the lower part of their face and cry out, ‘Unclean! Unclean!’ 46 As long as they have the disease they remain unclean. They must live alone; they must live outside the camp.

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health WASTE DISPOSAL Excerpt from The First Book of Public Hygiene: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i1/hygiene.asp Deuteronomy 23: 12-14 12 Designate a place outside the camp where you can go to relieve yourself. 13 As part of your equipment have something to dig with, and when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover up your excrement. 14 For the LORD your God moves about in your camp to protect you and to deliver your enemies to you. Your camp must be holy, so that he will not see among you anything indecent and turn away from you. Leviticus 13:47-58 Regulations About Defiling Molds 47 “As for any fabric that is spoiled with a defiling mold—any woolen or linen clothing, 48 any woven or knitted material of linen or wool, any leather or anything made of leather— 49 if the affected area in the fabric, the leather, the woven or knitted material, or any leather article, is greenish or reddish, it is a defiling mold and must be shown to the priest. 50 The priest is to examine the affected area and isolate the article for seven days. 51 On the seventh day he is to examine it, and if the mold has spread in the fabric, the woven or knitted material, or the leather, whatever its use, it is a persistent defiling mold; the article is unclean. 52 He must burn the fabric, the woven or knitted material of wool or linen, or any leather article that has been spoiled; because the defiling mold is persistent, the article must be burned. 53 “But if, when the priest examines it, the mold has not spread in the fabric, the woven or knitted material, or the leather article, 54 he shall order that the spoiled article be washed. Then he is to isolate it for another seven days. 55 After the article has been washed, the priest is to examine it again, and if the mold has not changed its appearance, even though it has not spread, it is unclean. Burn it, no matter which side of the fabric has been spoiled. 56 If, when the priest examines it, the mold has faded after the article has been washed, he is to tear the spoiled part out of the fabric, the leather, or the woven or knitted material. 57 But if it reappears in the fabric, in the woven or knitted material, or in the leather article, it is a spreading mold; whatever has the mold must be burned. 58 Any fabric, woven or knitted material, or any leather article that has been washed and is rid of the mold, must be washed again. Then it will be clean.” Leviticus 11:33 33 If one of them falls into a clay pot, everything in it will be unclean, and you must break the pot. Leviticus 15:12 12 “‘A clay pot that the man touches must be broken, and any wooden article is to be rinsed with water.