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How the universe and earth came to be is still a mystery that science is trying to unlock. How life started on earth remains a mystery that science is still trying to unlock. Science says it knows "some" of how life started, but that there are still some details to be filled in. As the preceding cut-and-paste articles showed, the big problem with science is in the details - the details that they are providing....to fill in the gap. The hoaxes and fraud, and falsifications of data, not to mention that well-known scientists such as Dawkins made unsubstantiated and counter-factual claims, had put into question everything about the theory of evolution! Macro-evolution is not observable! We rely on their research and findings. But if they can falsify, mislead and lie about some things, why can't they lie about everything? Evolutionists having faith and relying on science to know the truth about origin is exactly the same as Creationists having faith and relying on The Bible to know the truth about origin. Science is to evolutionists as the Bible is to Creationists. However...whereas science is still trying to find its evidence of evolution and universe..... ....the Bible - on the other hand - knows several facts about the earth, the universe and origin of life long before science did! All these Biblical declarations pertaining to man and origin, the universe and earth are all proven as facts! FACT: Nothing holds up Earth. It is affected by gravity. FACT: The earth is round. FACT: There is an incalculable number of stars. FACT: Mountains and trenches in the deep blue sea. FACT: Invisible atoms, the building blocks FACT: Noah’s Ark and Ship Building FACT: “Many of the great scientists of the past who founded and developed the key disciplines of science were creationists!” FACT: A finished creation. FACT: The universe is deteriorating FACT: The Universe Must Have Had a Beginning FACT:: Existence of ocean currents FACT: SCIENCE REMAINS BAFFLED! FACT: EXPANDING UNIVERSE FACT: Hydrological Cycle or Water Cycle FACT: PROPHECIES HAVE COME TRUE! FACT: EXPANDING UNIVERSE: Science uses the word, "STRETCHING/STRETCHES/STRETCHED!” FACT: Expression - "CURVATURE OF SPACE," still related to STRETCHING UNIVERSE FACT: The human body is comprised of some 28 base and trace elements which are all found in the earth FACT: BLOOD – THE RIVER OF LIFE FACT: RODINIA and PANTHALASSA, One land and one ocean! --------------------- Concentrating on these incredible Biblical facts alone, how do you explain this other than the One who gave these information has to be the Creator/Designer! FACT: EXPANDING UNIVERSE FACT: EXPANDING UNIVERSE: Science uses the word, "STRETCHING/STRETCHES/STRETCHED!” FACT: Expression - "CURVATURE OF SPACE," still related to STRETCHING UNIVERSE FACT: The human body is comprised of some 28 base and trace elements which are all found in the earth FACT: BLOOD – THE RIVER OF LIFE FACT: RODINIA and PANTHALASSA, One land and one ocean!

Having said that God must have a good sense of humor.... To whom did I say God gave the puzzle of the duck-billed platypus? Macro-evolutionists. The right flow of logic would then be: the joke is on the macro-evolutionists. Not God. That kind of humor somewhat along this line: Psalm 37:13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming. Anyway, why is it not possible for God to feel amused by His creation? http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/economic/friedman/bibhumor.htm Genesis 18 10 Then one of them said, “I will surely return to you about this time next year, and Sarah your wife will have a son.” Now Sarah was listening at the entrance to the tent, which was behind him. 11 Abraham and Sarah were already very old, and Sarah was past the age of childbearing. 12 So Sarah laughed to herself as she thought, “After I am worn out and my lord is old, will I now have this pleasure?” 13 Then the LORD said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh and say, ‘Will I really have a child, now that I am old?’ 14 Is anything too hard for the LORD? I will return to you at the appointed time next year, and Sarah will have a son.” 15 Sarah was afraid, so she lied and said, “I did not laugh.” But he said, “Yes, you did laugh.” Genesis 21 5And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born unto him. 6And Sarah said, God hath made me to laugh, so that all that hear will laugh with me. The name "Isaac" means laughter in Hebrew.

God must have a good sense of humor! The more I contemplate on Genesis (and other Books in the BIble that tell of origin/creation), the more I tend to think that all these information were not meant for the people during Moses' time, but instead aimed at future humanity - including us - of a world with science. Because God knew what's to happen in the distant future - the clear emphasis He's given on each passage of each Creation - plants, sea creatures, birds, land creatures, and man - all of which clearly punctuated with the emphasis of the term, "...according to its kind," God must've been addressing future mankind in the far distant time when the theory of evolution is going to be around. Like more than a century ago, and like now, the present time! God gave macro-evolutionists a real puzzle! http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/LifeSciences13.html

With all the hoaxes, frauds, unsbstantiated and counter-factual claims being made for the theory of evolution.....what else is falsehood that haven't been exposed? With these shady and very un-scientific conducts by so-called men of science - therefore that puts question to the validity of everything that has been presented so far. It is safe to conlude then that the Theory of Evolution is based on nothing! It is actually proving to be the myth!

HOAXES and FRAUDS by evolutionist scientists http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2005/feb/19/science.sciencenews David Adam http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2005/feb/19/science.sciencenews http://www.newiberiacoc.com/focus3.htm http://discovermagazine.com/2000/oct/featblunders

You must've missed this since I'm still waiting for your input: http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/JohnsonMaterialism.php Was it you btw who mentioned, "snake oil-men?"

Yeah, you always ask too many questions - which I answered or rebutted btw - but you never answer any of mine! Ahhh...you're giving the "feathered dinosaurs" as your evidence for evolution, are you? You must've really swallowed the Piltdown Chicken so hard - hook, line and sinker - that you can't dislodge all three from your system even though it's already been exposed as a hoax! Here, let me show you: http://www.newiberiacoc.com/focus3.htm Btw, since posting pictures is one of your signature style on this forum, you might want to post the photo of that cute dino-cuckoo for us all. Please. If there is anything dubious at all, it's all these evolution "evidence(s)" and so-called findings coming from your camp!

Just something to think about. This is not meant as an insult to you atheists/skeptics....but there is this interesting irony about the wholehearted acceptance of the theory of evolution and the outright rejection of anything that even remotely suggests of a Divine or an Intelligent Designer. The words "myth," "sky-daddy" or anything similar that describes something not true, or "hokus-pokus" are used to mock the Christian belief. These words of disdain are freely and loosely thrown at the Christian belief. And yet, when we really take a good look and compare the theory of evolution to the Bible, which comes up short as far as scientifically-proven results is concerned? For all its bombast, there is still no valid evidence for evolution. What we we see are men trying to fill in the gaps to fit their theory. The dating methods used to date fossils are not that reliable....they can only date for so long, but not millions of years! The numerous hoaxes, scams and frauds perpetrated by science just so they can come up with "evidence" to support evolution also shows to what extent men of science can go to. Then you read numerous articles that expose some leading scientists involved in questionable conduct. One example is this: http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/JohnsonMaterialism.php Scientists keeping mum and silent about obviously flawed ideas......one they wouldn't publicly criticized because he is against the creationists. Then you read the Bible, and you see these scientific facts (listed here so far) written in it - long before they've been discovered or proven by science. Comparison between the two - theory of evolution and the Bible - the theory of evolution seems to fit the description, "myth" quite well. The Bible has several proven facts (pertaining to creation/origin), whereas after more than a century, there is still no evidence of evolution...but there are numerous frauds, misleading, dishonest unsubstantiated and counterfactual claims perpetrated to support it! Nothing seems real.

So there you go. I told you, you shouldn't waste what time you got left asking all those questions about heaven and hell - places you don't believe exist anyway! ....Or on eternal damnation and your fate after death - a situation you believe you'll never face anyway! ....unless.......nah, that can't be.....

So what do you say about this comment by Lewontin that shows what a lot of us are saying about the un-reliability of some scientists - Dawkins among them! And of course how can we take theories such as evolutoon seriously? By the looks of it, some evolutionist (pseudo)scientists are a big joke! Vulgarly funnier than the Flintstones! http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/JohnsonMaterialism.php

Well, that's what He's telling us to believe in the Bible. He created everything. Having faith does not worry about the details. You just believe.

Oh no, I'm not worried about you at all. I don't know why you'd say that after all, it's you who seems to be so worried. You're the one asking about what your fate will be, damnation for eternitiy....and all those questions about hell, and heaven.

Well I told you that I don't care whether the earth is young or old....and I don't care either whether the dinosaurs lived alongside humans or not. Some Christians are splitting hairs over that (some believe in young earth, etc..,) spending so much time debating over those. There's some evidence that shows humans and dinosaurs had a time-share in the same landscape. If that's true, fine. If not, fine too. That doesn't change anything for me. What I believe is that God created everything.

Well DogonPorch, since you say you are an atheist and you also say that you know.....for the life of me I don't understand why you're so concerned about heaven and hell! You're an atheist....therefore you must believe when you die, you're gone! You're dead! The End. So what's with all these drama about your fate? Damnation for eternity?

Yes, He formed them out of the ground. According to their own kind. Like when a Potter forms the clay to the shape of the pottery He is creating. The ground is the ground! How did this word, "evolutionary" suddenly popped up in your reasoning? Yes there is micro-evolution....evolution in a smaller scale within the specie (usually for adaptation). There is no debate about that. But clearly God is emphasizing in these Genesis passages that there is no macro-evolution. Man is not related to chimps, or to reptiles, or to fishes!

Well, I don't know why you keep asking me that. Why you're so hang-up on and singling out the poor Hindus, I don't know that too. Anyway a lot of non-believers (be they atheists or members of other religion) are not Christians simply because they don't know. That's why Christians are supposed to spread the gospel, and tell them about Christ. As I've said only God can, and will judge.

To go with the right flow of logic, you must mean, "it certainly doesn't point to those pagan gods."

Yes I do realize that! That's why I said on numerous occasion, Intelligent Design points to the Judeo-Christian God! So I don't understand what your serious problem is with the quoted statement! Anyway, I'm doing the Christian faith in this topic - which will definitely involved Christ at some point. I don't know if the Jewish faith adheres to the New Testament....but definitely Christians adhere to the Old Testament as well.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, When He said, "Let us"..."Our," He was referring to Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit! This is in reference to the Trinity. Furthermore, this passage in Genesis 2 also clearly states that He made everything! There's no macro-evolution! Genesis 2 19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

I've answered that question. That's why I asked you if that's all you got!

Of course it does define - with emphasis - that He meant what He meant! Man is classified as "Mammals" and yet the following declaration is given! Gensis 1 24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” 27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” There can be no other interpretation - or twisting about - of these very precise and detailed verses! His heavy emphasis in each creation leaves no room for any doubt whatsoever! God is telling us very clearly that there is no such thing as macro-evolution!

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Are you an atheist or an agnostic?

According to the DogonPorch-types out there - like the flock of the non-believers - we'll just keep ignoring the arguments being presented and we'll just keep changing the channel, after all we cannot find anything to refute them! We cannot actually raise the white flag - since that'll surely mean our own religion is laid to rest! We cannot even admit to the POSSIBILITY of a Creator because to do so means we're no longer atheists anymore! We become agnostics!!! I understand your position....