Bingo! That's the whole point, isn't it.....why I don't want to discuss, whether Jesus is God or not, with a non-believer. Oh boy....just the premise of that discussion alone (is Jesus God Himself, or not)....should be obvious why it's a discussion for Christians! Can you please contemplate on that. Bye, Scott......

I suppose by "magical"....you must mean supernatural. How the heck do you suppose a non-Christian would take to the Cristian's belief the Bible is God-inspired??? Why do you think you keep spouting off terms like "magical?" That's what I mean. As a non-believer, you don't see the Bible the way Christians do. The discussion I'm having with John is on the premise of Jesus as God, not simply the Son. If you want to discuss with him about something like the Roman empire....do so. I don't want to discuss whether Jesus is God Himself, or not..... with a non-believer, for obvious reason. This kind of discussion is for Christians who are into studying the Scriptures. This discussion isn't for non-believers like you. Sure you can give your opinion....but don't expect me to waste time debating with you! Looks like something went over your head. Read again . No. I don't. I believe it is the Word of God. Okay...have a nice day.....I'm waiting for John to get back from the ice box.

Here's another thing: John 8 54 Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word. Wouldn't that contradict this verse? Isaiah 42 8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Not only did God identify Himself as The Lord (the very same title given to Jesus) - but He stated that He wouldn't be giving glory to another! Why is Jesus claiming otherwise? If you believe Jesus is not God.... .......then, you're saying the Bible has contradictions......Jesus was just mouthing off nonsense.....and therefore, the Bible cannot be trusted.

And you bring up Mohammed. I didn't know he was a Christian! What makes you think I give a hoot what Mohammed think God is? Thank you for proving my point. Read my response again.

I'm relying on what's written in the Scriptures. I don't expect non-Christians to take the Scriptures as AUTHORITATIVE............BUT Christians rely on the Scriptures. We're supposed to. This discussion (from John Prewett's position - since he's been quoting from the Scriptures), is on the premise that you view the Scriptures as God-inspired. I assume he's a Christian like me. That's why a non-believer's opinion is actually irrelevant in this discussion. I don't care about what happened during the Roman Empire. I'm responding to his claim that Jesus is not God. He's been cherry-picking and distorting the Scriptures.....and I'm using the Scriptures to show it.

What's the difference between their interpretation, and your interpretation? They're both distorting the message! Furthermore.... To lessen Jesus His status (as God)...is very much the same too with Catholicism's lessening of His status by making Mary equal to Him! Or, even above Him....if a queen is considered to have more authority than a Prince. It's the pot calling the kettle black.

We're not all Catholics. And some of us, like me who used to be Catholic....had left that building because I see some of its teachings go directly against the Scriptures. I have a very big problem with glorification of Mary and the saints.....among other things. Now that I'd read the Bible, that is to me, a big red flashing flag! My take on this is that, some folks discredit the Scriptural truths - like the concept of 3-in-1 - by pointing to denominations that they say, had corrupted it. So the term "Trinity" was coined. So what? Big deal. Based on that....some try to sell the opinion that Jesus as God, is therefore, a hoax. They came up with the term Trinity - maybe, it's because they don't really have an accurate term for 3-in-1 that's described in the Scriptures! Some even tried to explain that concept likening it to a clear glass of water (God = glass, The Word (Jesus) and the Spirit are its content) Arguing about the term Trinity.....is petty disputation! What's there to argue about it? Instead, let's deal with what's turning out to be the hoax..... Let's talk about the false teaching that Jesus isn't God, but merely the Son. Why should an opinion that's based on cherry-picked quotations matter at all? I'm pointing to the verses that clearly say, Jesus is God.

Your views are irrelevant to this discussion, Impact. Your statement is proof of that.

These verses declare Jesus as the Alpha and the Omega. Revelation 22 12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. 14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. 16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

I think you should sit down, and take a deep breath. Muslims and Jews don't believe Jesus is the Son of God. Jews don't believe He is the Messiah! There you go. Think about that. What do you suggest? We tweak and change the Word of God...........to suit your opinion?

However.....they're not all that's been said, and explained about Jesus Christ (as the numerous given verses show). You can't simply use those verses to validate your claim. That's what we call, "cherry-picking." You can't ignore the other verses that say Jesus is God.

Here's another cross-referencing explanation about Christ being God incarnate. https://www.gotquestions.org/Godhead.html

The term Trinity isn't found in the Bible........but the term, "Godhead," is listed 3 times in KJV. Acts 17 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. Romans 1 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Colossians 2 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. With all the verses that have been given here - all of which clearly depicting God and Jesus as One and the Same......to teach otherwise, is, what is insidious. I hope you're paying attention, John Prewett. Why God has to come and be introduced to us as The Son - we can't fully understand. Maybe......maybe, to be the model of how a Son of God would be like. In His obedience to His Father. In His glorification of His Father. In His dependency to His Father. That role as a Son of God, will be bestowed on the saved. Revelation 21 7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things,[d] and I will be his God and he shall be My son. The saved (sons of God) will therefore do all those that have been shown by Jesus Christ when He was here on earth as the Son of God: Obey. Glorify. Depend. Didn't Jesus teach all those when He was here?

I'm on the Book of Revelation these days, and I read Chapter 21. Here are the particular verses that consistently follows all the other declarations. It is so plainly written. It's so easy to connect the dots: Rev 21 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me,[b] “Write, for these words are true and faithful.” 6 And He said to me, “It is done![c] I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things,[d] and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it,[j] for the glory[k] of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. God HIMSELF will be with them and be their God. Jesus (the Alpha and Omega) says that He will be the God of saved people who'll be in this new kingdom. That's so clearly stated! There is no temple.......... for Jesus Christ (God and Lamb), is its temple! Interesting thing...... that relevant verses seem to jump out when reading the Scriptures - even when you're not really looking for them. What more when one is sincerely searching for answers, or comfort, or guidance - the LIVING BOOK provides. A new angle comes forth to give answer, to illuminate, to guide and to comfort.

Well....what can I say? I've always thought you're kinda weird........now, you prove I have reasonable reason to think that.

It doesn't prove anything to those who don't think! Or, to those who are ignorant about it! How can someone who hasn't really read the Bible say...."it doesn't prove anything?" How would you know, when you don't even know that the OT is still very much relevant even when there is a New Testament! That alone, proves you don't understand whatever it is you'd read about the Bible.....and you can't even tell that you're repeating disinformation from who knows where you got that silly idea. If you have some knowledge about the Scriptures, and you're using critical thinking, you'd know whose rationale is valid, or not. You'd know what is shallow, and what's been taken out of context.

Yes. But it's more than just an opinion, since I've backed them up with Scriptural verses! And along with some of the verses.....I also explained why. Some don't need any explanations. It's just simple reading with the application of common sense. I edited, btw. There's more to my response above.

I understand that. Don't generalize. John Prewett, seems to be one of them.....unless just like you, he hadn't read and studied the Bible. There are religious folks who "pick and choose" what is relevant to the discussion! Like I said, surely you're not suggesting we cite the ENTIRE Scriptures, right? Btw, non-religious (especially the anti-Christians), are notorious for cherry -picking the Bible in their feeble attempt to discredit the Scriptures and Christians. Taking things out of context. You've been one of them! Furthermore..... You're referring to the verses being given here. Don't you understand why verses are being given??

Timothy refers to Jesus as the living God! 1 Tim 4 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers. Timothy refers to Jesus as, who alone, has immortality! What about God? Isn't God immortal? So.....why Jesus alone? 1 Timothy 6 14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing, 15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen. It says, Jesus is the only one who has immortality..... be honor, and everlasting power! What about God? What happened to God?

There is only one lawgiver.....and one judge. To be judged is to either be rewarded, or be punished. Isaiah had written: Isaiah 33 22 For the Lord is our judge; the Lord is our lawgiver; the Lord is our king; he will save us. The Lord is also the title given to Jesus. Jesus claims to be the judge who will give rewards. He reiterates the title of being the Alpha and Omega. Revelation 22 12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.” --------------------- Isaiah 33 22 For the Lord is our judge; the Lord is our lawgiver; the Lord is our king; he will save us. Christ being given the same titles given to God, is consistently shown in so many verses, by different authors! Luke 2:11 for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

I hope you're reading all these verses John Prewett. Here are some more......... Hebrews 1 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. The Son was referred to as God. Rev 1 7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,”[c] says the Lord,[d] “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Why is Jesus called the Almighty? Isn't Jesus just the Son......and God being the Almighty? Genesis 17 The Sign of the Covenant 17 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. This is also the verse from the same chapter that shows that the Spirit is also Jesus (and therefore, is also God). 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, 11 saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and,[f] “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia:[g] to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”

....unless you stop and think of the rationale why someone (like moi, as an example), would "pick and choose" certain verses. Anyway.....what do you mean, "pick and choose?" Why shouldn't we "pick and choose" which is relevant? What do you expect - for me to cite the whole Scriptures? It's easy for you to be flippant and dismissive.........and yet, you offer nothing to substantiate what you say. What you say has no substance at all. It's just all noise.

I better make sure I got knives of varying sizes and length - you know..... to match whatever kind the perpetrator is using.

I'm asking you a question: Are you saying you wouldn't resort to any violence to protect your family?