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Well written but is that you Henry ?

Take any list of 100 people and you are bound to find one or two kooks. You found one and have shown that he was in a dissagreement with someone, not that he was a "kook". I did not say that a phasor beam destroyed the wtc's. Stop putting words in my mouth and then using those words to discredit me. Clearly you have learned something from Popular Mechanics and 911Myths. Its a stunt that is always used by neocons. Its cheap and people see through it. Who is the drop out that made a few observations while watching TV ? (re 911Myths)Show me one point of 911 that they are "debunking" and I will prove to you that they are liars. Any point. Pick one. What do you think of that army engineer that posted on Riveros site about Oklahoma then ? It wasn't Rivero that made the report, it was a brigadier general who is an engineer. As far as the American Society of Civil Engineers goes, I bet they made the statement supportiung 911 without contacting a single member. It was political, not a scientific endorsement supported by all civil engineers. Really, what lead to all these things ? What if it was a lie, doesn't everything else fall down like a deck of cards ? That is exactly why 911 is so important. If we expose 911 as an inside job we expose the criminals that have been behind all these other things. You can see that the admin is criminal, then why do you believe them about 911 ? Really: challenge me on any point from the 911Myths site and I will prove they are lying. That goes for anyone reading this post and any point on that site. Same goes for popular Mechanics. They are both easily shown to be fraudulent.

Philosophy of science is the theory of science. He is a theoretician and has done numerous physics papers on this. Thats bad logic. So if I tell you that nuclear reactors run on chocolate bars then in oreder to prove me wrong you must show exactly how they do work ? I do not know what happened on 911 but the evidence disputes the official claims. The official version of 911 isn't possible. You are the one that is absolutely convinced Osama did it. Not even the FBI is convinced of that. Maybe it is you that is the doofus. Show me where I have been hard headed ! I have presented evidence of everything I have stated. I have used the testimony of generals,colonels, brigadier generals, congresmen, senators, and scientific experts and used film footage. The only evidence you have put forth is a couple of engineers and mainstream publications that depend on the Pentagon for information and/or income, some of whom, are related to high ranking Pentagon officials. These people lie and they manipulate facts. A perfect example is the misleading of people wrt how the world trade centers were contructed in the Nova and BBC presentations on 911. You cite web sites like 911Myths, which are full of misleading facts. The government has already lied about the weapons of mass destruction and countless military personel have come forward to say they believe 911 was an inside job, but you continue to believe Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bush no matter how many lies they tell you and no matter how much money they make from these wars. There is not a single shred of actual evidence that supports your views. Repeating Osama did it, you are a tin foil hatted conspiracy theorist, Osama did it, you are a tin foil hatted conspiracy theorist, Osama did it, you are a tin foil hatted conspiracy theorist does not consitute intelligent arguement.

It would be good if they chose A Man's a Man for a' That, song by Robert Burns extolling the common man. Our society has lost all respect for common people. They are daily victims of the graft and corruption used by politicians, central bankers and the courts to further their own twisted views of superiority.

The "minutiae of cell phone technology" that you mention is not inconsequential. It proves that "Hi Mom Its Mark Bingham" recording was faked. When was the last time you needed to use you last name to ID yourself to your mother ? The durability of steel reinforced concrete is very important since the buildings had a large amount of steel reinforced concrete that was atomized during the explosions collapse. I'm not creating a fantasy world, I'm only proving that the official version of 911 is a fantasy and I'm doing it based on evidence not insults or innuendos.

I just use evidence and the opinions of experts. The only thing in my posts that is "original" is that remark about people not being able to tell their mother from a chimp if they can't see that the Osama tapes are faked. You should email James Fetzler and tell him he is wrong. He has a Phd in theoretical physics, what are your qualifications ? Do you know anything about the second law of thermodynamics ? Most people without any degree can clearly see there is something odd about those collapses. I take it you see them as normal. BTW: Where have I been wrong ?

That was an FBI operation. The guy that drove the truck taped it and it ended up on mainstream !!!! ROTFLMAO Don't you remember anything ?

The long and short of his arguement is this: Buildings do not collapse into their own footprint without some kind of controlling force to make that happen. If it was a natural collapse the building would have toppled over. I think you should listen to Fetzers arguement because being a theoretical scientist qualifies him to speak about this where it is a little beyond my knowledge.

BlackDog: Why don't you try and argue with facts evidence and logic? I could make up a silly story about Bin Laden running this thing from a cave in Afganistan and try not to be insulting and it would sound more rediculous than what you have there.

I think that Brigadier General that said Oklahoma was an inside job was more of a weapons expert than a TV host. He was also an engineer- aeronautical and chemical. Where did you get the idea that he was a TV host ? Did you get him confused with the guy that posted the conmgressional report ? You are an idiot.

CanadianBlue: You have been posting on this thread for a while now. If you look at your posts you can see that you keep saying the same thing over and over and you have no substance in your posts. All your comments just belittle conspiracy theories as if conspiracies do not exist. You have not offered a single shred of hard evidence to support the official conspiracy theory. Have you called The FBI to explain to them how you know Osama was involved in 911 ?. Maybe they can use your input to add 911 to his most wanted description. They do not have any evidence that Osama was involved, perhaps you can be of assistance. You also make things up to say that 911 truthers are saying these things so you can discredit them. I don't think an A 10 warthog can catch a commercial liner. 911Myths does this - make things up to discredit the movement. When you don't have logic or truth on your side its all you can do. I know you desperately want to believe that the government wouldn't do such a thing but that isn't logical arguement and just shows how niave you are wrt US history. I think when Donald Rumsfeld accidentally said the plane was shot down he mean't a missile not a gatling gun.

Where did you get that idea ? From WhatReallyHappened.com: "This report on the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City was prepared by Brigadier General Benton K. Partin, USAF (Ret.) and dated July 30, 1995. The report was submitted to the U.S. Congress and is a matter of the Congressional Record. " Brigadier General Benton K. Partin, USAF (Ret.) Read the conclusions and peer comments at the bottom of the conclusions. Bin Laden is not on the most wanted list for attacks on 911. He is on the list for the crimes he has supposedly committed but 911 isn't part of the reason.

If your car is obviously broken into right in front of a gang of cops its a pretty good bet that they were paid off. As far as your second sentence goes, they only need to fool some of the people. They have to make it obvious enough so that some people see it for what it is. They don't want to fool everyone, just the fast food guzzling simpletons are enough. Oklahoma was obviously an inside job - THEY FOUND THREE OTHER BOMBS INSIDE THE BUILDING - THAT WAS ON TV !!! Still some folks think McVeigh did it alone. They even had a military expert on explosives saying the official version was impossible !! Still there are some morons who will believe it.

Sorry but that is another lie. Stop using commentary as evidence.

You go to who has evidence and Michael Riveros site has evidence. David Ray Griffin does a great job of ripping NIST in his book on the subject.

So you don't care if they investigated it or not - a 47 story building is just a minor detail ? So its not practical or reasonable to investigate the collapse of these buildings ? Are you for real ? For example ? (substance please - no more presstitute commentary substitutions for proof)

Tell me where I am wrong. I'd like it if you folks could give me a challenge but your facts are all wrong and your use of Occams Razor misapplied. I don't call the defence stand down, the evidence cover up, the secret trading on futures inconsequential evidence. This is "in your face" evidence and needs to be explained. The building collapses have never been investigated. I do not see how you can be so sure of your position. You have no supporting science and no supporting facts. All you have is your TV telling you what to believe. No straight answers on wtc7 yet. No NISt investigation into wtc7 collapse. Do you consider a 47 story super wide complex a minor issue ?

Black Dog: You and most people on your side seem to use Occams razor as some kind of proof. Occams Razor does not allow you to set aside or ignore evidence in your explanation. Its about finding the simplest explanation that explains all the evidence.

The fact that US defence forces did nothing to stop the attack proves they were in on it. The evidence coverup shows they have something to hide. NIST does not investigate why the buildings collapsed they only put forth a weak hypothesis that is unsupported by any evidence. Popular Mechanics twists the 911 truth movement around and then addresses their interpretation of what 911 truyth is and attempts to debunk that. If you heard the interview on DemocracyNow you would know that popular mechanics position on the Pennslyvania crash is that the plane buried itself into the ground and that the coroner went in and dug up all the bodies The American Society of Civil Engineers depends on the US government for contract work. James Fetzer and King have proven that the buildings could not have fallen straight down like that from an airplane crash using the second law of thermodynamics. Civil engineers do not study building collapses - how they happen they build buildings to prevent them from happening. Going to a civil engineer about 911 is like going to a dentist because you have diarrea. Its stupid and it doesn't make any sense. The several sites you mention such as 911Myths can be dissected easily. They do the same trick as PM. You have presented facts that show I must be wrong, I have shown you that your facts are wrong wrt cell phone calls and the details of the contruction of the wtc. Nova and Popular mechanics both said the building was built like a hollow shell and all the strength was on the outside. Anyone can look up construction details and see this isn't true./ How often can people lie to you before you stop believeing them ? Have you called the FBI to explain how you know Osama did it - if you did then they would have some evidence and be able to put him on the most wanted list for 911. Is there anything that I have not addressed ? Three card monte anyone ?

Tell us why you think Islamic terrorists did 911.

I'm not posting conspiracy theories, all my arguements are facts. Call them strange or puzzling if you want but they are facts. The facts point to a conspiracy. Show me some evidence that Osama did it. Call the FBI with your evidence so that they can be convinced enough to put Osama on their most wanted list for the 911 attacks. Have you ever heard of the USS Liberty ? Did you know that they found three additional bombs inside the buildings after the Oklahoma city bombing ? Do you remember the Iran Contra affair ? Who shot Kennedy ? How many times can you be lied to before you wake up ? How about a game of three card monte. Bring 100's only.

I'm not argueing from ignorance, I am argueing from fact. I am using fact after fact after fact. You saying that only shows your foolishness. Nuclear reactors run on chocoalte bars. If you don't agree then show me your equations. How did 911 take place ? I don't know but here is a theory: (1) Foreign nationals were brought in from a USA enemy country as supposed enemies secretly to plant explosives in the building during an abnormal shut down of the wtc's (2) The CIA got some arabic people to board planes so that they could be blamed for the terrorist attack. They had no idea what was about to happen and were seen partying with strippers the night before. These guys were on a CIA payroll. (3) The planes were wired with automatic controls to guide them into the towers. The passengers have long since been put to sleep or dead. The planes were wired up by the same CIA that bring the drugs into the USA. They work for the criminal elemnt within the US government.

I cannot tell you what happened on 911, I can only deduce what didn't happen. Its like you may not know how a helicopter works but you know they do not run on water jets. From All The Proof You Need That 911 Was An Inside Job "Before you read this article, conduct this test. Try to purchase some stock, or some futures, a mutual fund or some put options, without providing your identity. Go ahead and try it! See if you get anywhere. Find out what happens when you tell the investment firm that you want to make a huge investment anonymously. It can’t be done. Then ask yourself this question: How could someone have placed anonymous put options on American Airlines and United Airlines just prior to the attacks of 9/11? Then ask yourself why no one has investigated this suspicious deal. Ask yourself why there has been no attempt by the US government to identify the person who anticipated huge profits from a disaster that was yet to occur. Is it because the trail possibly leads to the CIA? " By the way this is what people mean by "cover up".

The evidence was retricted from the FAA and fire authority. The Pentagon tapes still haven't been released. This is a coverup. Evidence was destroyed, the accident wasn't recreated like every other accident. That is a coverup. Larry Silverstein: "I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse." [wmv download] see Silverstein admission As far as Rumsfeld goes, it was obviously a slip of the tongue, an accidental admission that he has never repeated. The official story according to popular mechanics is that the plane buried itself in the dirt when it crashed. See HR 6166 & The Military Commissions act. Absolutely, but the evidence says the goverment did it. No, it shows the economy is in trouble and its being hidden by this. Thats not evidence its hypothesis put forth by corporate media with no evidence to back it up. They didn't. The explosions that blew apart wtc1 & 2 were all through the building. Although some people like to call what happened "pancaking", watching the videos makes it clear that the buildings were succesively blown apart from top to bottom. Most of the buildings were converted to dust - that doesn't happen in a pancake collapse. No airplane hit wtc7.

That is an empty statement. I'm not just poking holes in the official version I am posting absolute proof all over the place on 911 and the fact that it had to be an inside job and this movement is growing by leaps and bounds this week. You can imagine whatever you want but anyone can go to www.wtc7.net and see that collapse for yourself. The collapse of wtc7 isn't even being investigated !!! The things that you say the NIST and FEMA reports say are not contained in the reports !!! The building collapses were never even investigated. Osama isn't on the FBI most wanted list because they don't have enough evidence to make an indictment. Maybe you should call the FBI and tell them why you are so sure Osama did it.