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The endgame is to get public assets into the hands of the private investors that elect politicians through their control of the media. A Security and Prosperity Partnership is all about putting a police state in place so that assets can be sold off to private companies and people will work harder for less, be taxed more, and be stopped from doing anything about it by the police state. This makes perfect sense, unless you think the terrorists are real and not government doing inside jobs to scare the public into wanting a police state and war. Recently the federal government in Canada has announced its plans to sell off 40 billion in public asssets to private companies then lease the buildings back. This is how obviously stupid it has all become.

It is irrelevant to this discussion. Interest that banks earn on loans is a small part of the profit they earn. Most profit comes from creating money in the first place. The point of this thread is about how banks control us, not about specific internal policies and loan rates. Words like "nominal" and "real" have many applications. I could of course look this up on the web but its not relevant.

Thats about it. The establishment doesn't want you to know how banking works and thats why you do not know. You are not being educated if you do not know this and you are in financial studies, you are being trained to be a pencil pusher. Thats essentially what they are doing now, they are doing the same things that preceded the 1929 crash. At this point we have many of the same things going on today that were happening before 1929 - piles of derivatives, cash supplied have quadrupled since around 1999. A lot of it is being driven around in pickup trucks in Iraq and is sitting in tax shelters for the rich. Mainstream media isn't telling you about it. People like John Kenneth Galbraith must be crazy for saying bankers create money. He must have been a nut case. Too bad he is dead, you would sure be able to straighten him out with your knowledge.

There is no definable "left and right". Its a false paradigm. These days you are either for the empire or not.

You are just another person who has never read anything on banking in his life, you don't know anything about it and here you are an expert because you have a computer and you are logged onto the internet. Of course it is assumed that someone will actually make the shoes and sell them. If they do not make shoes we were mislead in investing in a company that made shoes. They would still owe the money they borrowed even though they didn't make the shoes. They still have to earn the money even though they borrowed it. The banks just creat money, they don't earn it with their services, they just create if from nothing and that is a fact. When you go in and borrow $100,000 the bank just made almost $100,000.00 profit just for creating the money. A lot of people just "get" this. I guess when you are mentally conditioned to not believe conspiracy theories - actually believe that they do not exist then anything that doesn't sound like you think it should be must be wrong. You don't have to bother reading about it because its just common sense. If anyone makes a movie or writes a book and that does not match your version of reality they must be nutcases. There are many movements regarding monetary reform in the UK, USA & Canada. One political party who has lots of expertise in economics has built a party platform on it. Just because people in the executive of that party are well educated and have many years of experience in economics doesn't mean anything because you have your a$$ and your a$$ gives information that is rational. Bankers create money from nothing. This is not any kind of conspiracy theory. I've listed lots of references that will explain this. Many of the references are world famous economists (JKG), the bankers themselves and ex presidents. I've listed books, movies and provided quotes. But still your knowledge that you pull out of your rectum is worth more.

Its not the same thing. There is a real work done in making the shoes. Someone earns the money. The banks just print it off for nothing but the ink & presses or computers to do money creation. Banks are very rich & powerful because they do not have to earn their money. The earn more than everyone else working to earn their money because they create it and are the only source of money.

I did miss that key phrase but we have been argueing abount money creation. the fact is that private bankers create about 97 % of the supply of money in circulation in Canada & 100 % in the States. Most of this is electronic money - you don't pay your mortgage in cash. The fact that there is a reserve requirement does not mean money is not created for nothing. If a bank has a reserve ratio of 10 , has 1000.00 on deposit then it can create another $10,000.00 from thin air. The reserve ratios have been increased to 300 to 1 thats when the banks started complaing about welfare check accounts - they do not provide needed money for reserves anymore because reserve ratios have been increased.

Why don't you ask one ? You never provided a link that explains that only BOC creates money because there is no link like that because its wrong. How is it that you know anything about money and banking ? What books have you read on the topic ? Why do you insist on filling my threads with garbage that comes out of your own imagination ? The quotes show that banks create money. I don't know how you can be both so stupid and so arrogant at the same time. Kimmy straighten him out on this, same as geoffrey and the others. These are stupid conversations.

Guess which countries do not yet have their system dominated by the small group of private bank owners in the world: Iran, Cuba, Sudan, North Korea, Libya -Catharine Austin Fitts (Rense radio) If you wanted to learn about banking you could listen to her on Rense. Look at her bio hereCatharine Austin Fitts You can learn a lot about banking by listening to this interview on Rense, but its not free - its $10.00 per month. Much better than Fox, CNN, CBC, CBS, ABC, etc. You would never hear this on mainstream TV.

No. Private banks create money. Ask your economics professor.

Keep talking out of your a$$es or do some research. Neither of you know anything about banking, neither of you have read a book on it and you certainly haven't taken a course on the Federal Reserve. If banks don't create money, where do you suppose it comes from ? How does money get created ? Thats just stupid - especially when a student of finance says it. The education system is crap. You should know better. "banking was conceived in inequality and was born in sin. The Bankers own the earth..If you wish to remain slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create deposits" -Sir Josiah Stamp "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance." -James Madison "The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity." -Abraham Lincoln If the banks don't create money then what are these guys talking about ? Do you think that they are just a bunch of idiots ?

No one is really dumb enough to believe that. I just wonder what peoples agenda is that try to convince others of it. Maybe they think their Haliburton stock is doing well so they want everyone to stay on the "Osama did it" train. The economy is heading toward a crash that will make 1929 seem like a picnic. We will have food shortages and in a very short time after it all begins we will have starvation, high crimes, bodies on the streets, child kidnappings & violence everywhere. In a matter of a week North America will go from first world to worse than third world. We don't have the small farms anymore like they did in the 30's. We can blame the people who thought of nothing but their stocks and bonds and watched too much TV. What is happening now is the result of 50 or more years of careful planning.

I do understand why there were bombs in the building but answering the 'why' is not creating a fact based arguement. I'm argueing that 911 was an inside job on this thread not why they did it. I argue about why in my banking/ Wall street thread. You and I do agree on things but wrt to banks and finances I look at a bigger picture. The fact is that the Federal Reserve banks controls the USA and the IMF. When people talk about corporate profits they are only seeing half the picture. There is a whole dark half of the economy that few people are aware of. If you have not seen The Money Masters or read The Creature From Jekyll Island, I would strongly recommend both- as they are both fact based and 100 % true about banks. History has a strong monetary basis that has the most significant influence on things and that is ignored in education and media.

I'm a little curious about the 3 or so trillion that has gone missing from the Pentagon. I know about the DU. I'm curious about why the border between Mexico & USA is being left open and why Osama hasn't sneaked into the USA up through Mexico and killed everybody by now. I'm wondering about the death camps - I know a lot of people are curious about those.

Like what ? You don't think what I say about the banks is true ?

You have nothing for wtc7. No official report on what happened to wtc7. You just want to imagine that the engineers who wrote the FEMA report wanted to believe what they said had a "low probability of occurance" was a viable explanation.

No it doesn't ! It says the only thing they can imagine isn't really possible (low probability of occurance) ! They have no idea what happened to wtc7. They did not even come up with a hypothesis with a "high" degree of probability. The official version is a lie (low probability of occurance), all the evidence is destroyed.

So you imply that I am a white supremist because I think 911 was an inside job now. Figures. Anything but facts.

No, in that movie the Russians attacked. You watch too much TV. Everything you say comes from TV.

The kind with bricked in windows, guard towers and black helicopters flying above but with no occupants. I've given you stacks of proof showing 911 was an inside job. 911 was an inside job and it means gov is up to something. Mainstream news has reported to detention camps.

Motivation has already been given by showing how rich everyone gets off of war. You can't domestic armies to point guns at citizens so you have to replace them with foreign soldiers. A great way to do this is to have a war and let our soldiers get killed so they can be replaced by foreigners who will point guns at us and lead us to the concentration camps for execution. (else who would feed all these people locked up ? )

They have been building detention centers all over North America. The no bid contracts have been announced on mainstream TV. Who are these being build for ? Osama Bin Laden ?

First of all most people dissagree with me when I explain that bankers create money from nothing. The reserve requirements are 300:1 - irrelevant unless you are in a rapidly growing economy. As far as the admission of secret societies go, I think a number of people have admitted or credibly shown their existence. There is actually a "Pinky and Brain" world domination / mass genocide scheme being played out by the oligarchy of the world. Its possible because the banks have such a leverage on our economy. We know that this "Pinky & Brain" style world takeover is in fact happening because they admit it on mainstream and in mainstream books. Its a subtle thing but a lot of people miss it. Here are some quotes (this conspiracy has been going on since 1913). "David Rockefeller is the most conspicuous representative today of the ruling class, a multinational fraternity of men who shape the global economy and manage the flow of its capital. Rockefeller was born to it, and he has made the most of it. But what some critics see as a vast international conspiracy, he considers a circumstance of life and justanother day's work... In the world of David Rockefeller it's hard to tell where business ends and politics begins" . Bill Moyers "We know in the not too distant future, a half dozen corporations are going to control the media. We took this step (merger) to ensure we were one of them"--Time Warner spokesperson. "We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent." -- Statement made before the United States Senate on Feb. 7, 1950 by James Paul Warburg ("Angel" to and active in the United World Federalists), son of Paul Moritz Warburg, nephew of Felix Warburg and of Jacob Schiff, both of Kuhn, Loeb & Co. which poured millions into the Russian Revolution through James' brother Max, banker to the German government - See the Siss?on Report "All of us will ultimately be judged on the effort we have contributed to building a NEW WORLD ORDER."--Robert Kennedy, former U.S. Attorney-General, 1967. "The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise their power from behind the scenes."-- Justice Felix Frankfurter, U.S. Supreme Court. "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insideous forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."-- U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House. "The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation."-- Mayor (1918-1925) John F. Hylan of New York. "Fundamental Bible-believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate their children in their religious beliefs because we, the state, are preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world global society and their children will not fit in." --Nebraska State Senator Peter Hoagland, speaking on radio in 1983. "When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of freedom to Americans..." "And so alot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the Housing Projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make the people feel safer in their communities"--President Bill Clinton 3-22-94, MTV's "Enough is Enough" Lots more NWO Quotes Its easy to say "these must be taken out of context" - that is until you read them.