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This thread isn't about futures - its about banking and how banks control our society. I don't care enough about futures to talk about them and I haven't read about futures for 20 years.

What evidence do you have that Islamic terrorists did the 911 attack ? (None whatsoever) What Islamic fundamentalist benefitted from the 911 attacks ? Did they want to kick off ww3 with us pummeling them ?

You are right about it being an insurance policy but it is also highly volatile and used in the speculative markets accessively. Money is used to by futures on an existing bought and paid for stock. What if there is only one pork belly and people have bought and sold futures on them worth 100 pork bellys ?

Right off paragraph 1 in your tutorial it says "...how the banking system can create money in a fractional reserve system. ..."

You are being an idiot on purpose.

If George Bush got on CNN and told you god created the money you would believe it.

The Canadian Mint does the actual printing for many countries.

Derivatives increase currency during margin calls - or at least thats what happened in 1929. As far as now I don't know why but there are trillions of dollars being invested in the futures market. The futures market is a gambling casino unless you are in need of a hedge.

If they just keep printing it off and not demand it back it becomes less valuable and the fraud becomes apparent. Its value is only determined by the fact that they want it back and that you can pay your taxes with it. In Germany during the depression it took a wheelbarrow full of cash to buy a loaf of bread. They can keep printing money but even then they have to keep reprinting it all the time while adding zeros. If you would just stop pulling ideas out of your a$$ and start reading you would not be polluting my threads with your nonsense. You would maybe grow up and understand that the world is not a rational place.

This isn't an American Union thread but of course erasing borders takes power away from governments because it erases them for corporations. Riverwinds a$$ would be able to deduce that rationally.

It shows up on their balance sheets as a loss. If you don't pay the money back then its debt free currency thats floating around out there that isn't collecting interest. Same as in 1929. Printing access currency lead to stock market increases which led to speculation. The whole thing just bursts like a bubble because when the banks realize they are printing too much money they stop. Then people who can't meet their margin calls start jumping out of windows. We are being flushed down the same toilet as the USA which is going to collapse when all those trillions of dollars that are in Iraq and Afganistan, china & other countries come back home.

They create the deposits before they lend them out. John Kenneth Galbraith has a book called Money and its about the history of money. He explains that the bankers do create money - thats what fractional reserve banking is. What logical contradictions exist in my arguement ? Your a$$ may be rational but the rest of the world isn't.

Lots of these older folks know exactly what is going on because they grew up with real media and the news wasn't all brainwashing like it is today.

Saddam was playing games with oil prices and he wouldn't let the western banks come in and print Iraqi currency. All the nations that Bush is fighting now and in the future are just refusing to let our banks take over their money system. Wars in the past have been to overthrow valid governments of the people, put corrupt dictators in place so that they can be paid off to let western banks come in and print their money for them. See Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man by Perkins, Robert Gaylon Ross does a free video (google) that explains this as well. Wars are essentially being fought so that our banks can take over. The Muslims are against our banks and their usery, etc - its a strong part of their religion and that is why they are being labeled as terrorists. The banks really do own most of the planet and they want all of it and the terrorist nations are not going along with it. Global governance is being done by the bankers. Its their agends. Rockefeller wants to rule the world in in a well known CFR speech he admits to a world being run by central bankers and the intellectual elite is his goal and that the media is co operating in keeping it hidden. "We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose members have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion over forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop a plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the work now is much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto determination practised in past centuries"- David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, at the Trilteral commission in June 1991.

John Kenneth Galbraith is in wikipedia. I suppose you do not know who he is. Your posts show that you do not read books, have no background for knowing what you are talking about, and have opinions that come out of your a$$. Books written by economists are a good source of information, particularly when dealing with economics. I know you think your a$$ is a better source of info because it is rational but I think quoting books and economists and using actual quotes from ex presidents and bankers is a good way to win an arguement. Perhaps your a$$ is a better source of information. Do you know of any materials that have been written that use your a$$ as a reference. ?

It would still be bad for the economy to build them in China. When we pay for them that money goes away from the country. When we build them here we help preserve our capability for airplane manufactering and the money that stays here generates tax dollars here and stimulates the economy here. In the final complete analysis its going to be cheaper to build them in Canada but that strategy doesn't help with the destruction of our economy that the government is following. Everything is cheaper in China, we could by that reasoning have everything made in China but then we get a service economy and a service economy will in fact collapse quickly. I don't think we need to invade any more countries so I don't think we need the planes.

Its just a big dog and pony show. These people don't really have any power they are just there to keep you occupied with sidetracked from the truth. Bankers and the British Empire run Canada through the corporations. The country is being signed over to corporations. We will one day have private police and prisons and everything will be run by private corporations for private corporations under a Feudal system.

I've gotten my information from top White House economists (Morgan Reynolds, Paul Craig Roberts), well known economists like John Kenneth Galbraith and other Phd economic authors, and ex bankers like Catharine Austin Fitts. Milton Friedman has a book on the American establishment that would tell you all of this stuff, but I haven't read it. Its on Amazon. If these are not reliable, what would you consider reliable ? Do you think your UNESCO textbook is more reliable ? Apparently that isn't the case. When you work for the bank and someone comes in for a loan, the money gets created when you type the new balance into the applicants account. Its not a wizard or anything that creates the money, there isn't anything to see. Money gets created when you pay for something with your credit card. The banks create the money to pay the merchant. You are just a pencil pusher, not a CEO. I the CEO of a corporation . I'm the only employee so I'm not rich. I'm an instrumentation/ DSP programmer witha degree in engineering. You would not be the first. On the back of The Creature From Jekyll Island there is an accolade for the book from the head of an investment bank who didn't know that money was created from nothing. You have been educated in a way that prevents you from seeing how banks actually work or its importance. There are lots of people that work in banks that do not know about this and there are lots that do. I met this woman the other day that worked for the banks and asked her if she knew they created money from nothing, she knew and I was surprised so I asked her how she knew and she said a lot of people that work in the banks do know. She was a finance student at U of T. You need to recognise that the establishemnt does not care about your well being. You are a source of wealth generation for the establishment. They will kill you in cold blood to further their objective or slowly poison you. They have created a fishbowl from which you do your thinking. You should see that such a huge difference in income between the ultra rich and the rest of us results in a certain malfeasence. Ultimately you are a British subject and technically you have no rights, including the right to life. You are an asset of someone you never heard of or voted for. The world has not changed in 1000 years. The Magna Carta isn't even relevant to you. You have NO RIGHTS. The entire political system is a dog and pony show. The education system and the media are there to make you think its all real and teach you to work for it, not to educate you.

A lot of them have investments and they have been watching their investments grow and the value of their homes grow so thing everything is just fine. Don't rock the boat, don't be a conspiracy theorist. But they think that the Dow Jones represents the real economy. The US dollar has dropped compared to European, the banks will be soon quadrupling the currency supply from 1999 and all this money that the Pentagon just loses - a trillion here, a trillion there, is comming right out of their pockets at some time or the whole thing is going to collapse. What they don't see is that the whole economy is one great big paper ballon that will burst just like in 1929.

The dream is for those that are asleep.

It is amazing. I don't know how the system got to some people. They don't make any sense. They can't possibly believe what they are saying. About the only thing they believe in is honor among thieves.

If it was a good thing they would be bragging about it. Its not a good thing and thats why its being kept secret. The police state isn't being set up to catch terrorists, if they were interested in doing that (ie if there were terrorists) the Mexico/USA border would not be open. They are already doing that. The Mexican flag flies in Texas and some parts of Texas are the most dangerous places in the world. They even have a leper colony. I get my information mostly from experts: ex dept heads from the white house, ex bankers, ex army officers and economists. You get yours from mainstream media presstitutes, admitted propogandists, liars, war profiteers and war criminals. It actually disturbs me that there are people like you that think willful stupidity is both funny and wise.

The housing prices follow population and the amount of currency in print. The USA has almost quadrupled the currency supply since around 1999. In terms of real value then your house has perhaps declined. A year ago the dollar was in an even postion with the Euro, now Euro's cost about 1.3 USD. Neither do you. Not everything actually is as you think it should be. We live in an irrational world because most group behaviour of humans is irrational.

When you go in and borrow $100,000 the bank just made almost $100,000.00 profit just for creating the money. Its really true. You can read about it, watch movies about it or ask major economists - or even bankers. This thread is filled with references. My favorite is "Money As Debt" for movies, followed by The Money Masters (available on google). A great book is The Creature From Jekyll Island. JK Galbraiths book called "Money" also explains it. There are many quotes from presidents and bankers on this thread that show how banks actually operate. We do not live in a rational world and part of that irrationality is how we allow banks to operate. Bank operation is kept well hidden in the classrooms. If it isn't on TV it isn't real.

We can't afford to borrow all the money to keep up the army because we would have to borrow from private bankers instead of the Bank Of Canada. If the country chose to finance the army through the Bank Of Canada we would have a world class army. The private bankers own the country and they have the USA as their strong arm to enforce their currencies and enslave foreign countries. They don't need Canada to have a strong army and we don't need the tax and interest burden. Who is going to attack Canada ? - (or the States for that matter). The armies are just collection agencies and goons for the IMF, World Bank, and Federal Reserve.