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If I explain (prove) why its impossible for a heated substance to get hotter than the heat source applied will you stop polluting my posts with your "scientific expertise" ? A simple yes or no answer is all that is required.

What kind of engineer are you Riverwind ? I have poineted out that you are a fool and have no idea what you are talking about wrt anything scientific. If I explain (prove) why its impossible for a heated substance to get hotter than the heat source applied will you stop polluting my posts with your "scientific expertise" ?

CIA, whatever, people must be paid to post some of this nonsense. The responsible thing to do would be to shut up even if you agree with the official version because a better investigation is needed and you should let the government speak for itself and not impede the push for an unbiased investigation into 911.

I guess the petition signing can be read either way. I read it as a free speech thing as I described above but I can see your point. Even if you dissagree with what she is saying you must acknowledge that there is a significant number of people who do agree with her including many structural engineers, others from the top of the establishment such as ex sentors, ex congressmen,ex generals, ex intelligence heads, and top physicists. It is arrogant and silly to say that what she is saying makes her a nutcase. You can't call Stephen Jones a fool - at least not credibly. He is a top scientist. This movement is growing. If there was no credibility behind it it would have died off a long time ago.

Thats like saying a mathemetician isn't qualified to balance a checkbook because he isn't an accountant. Of course a Phd in physics could do a structural analysis of the building and be able to determine what is or isn't scientifically possible. You don't have to understand structural analysis to see that the collapse of wtc7 due to fires is impossible. If this is the case - wtc7 collapsed from fires, why won't NIST or FEMA just say that ?

The hot spots that were measured by infrared that no one denies was hotter than burning fuel or burning contents of buildings. This proves that there had to be another heat source besides fuel or typical content fires. The building collapsed straight down into its own footprint - never happened before without controlled demolition. This violates the second law of thermodynamics if the accepted version is to be accepted according to Stephen Jones and others. The rate collapse shows a violation of the first law of thermodynamics. The breaking buildings (wtc1 & wtc2) had to slow the collapse down by a few seconds minimum. Stephen Jones has found evidence of high temperature sulfidization, that sulfidization is also mentioned in the FEMA report. The FEMA report itself says the official version has only a "very low probability of occurance". NIST hasn't said what caused wtc7 to collapse yet. The cover up, removal of evidence, restrictions on qualified investigators from entering the area, photos restricted, general guilty behaviour. That was smoke from another building. It looked like it was from wtc7 from where the photos were taken but other photos show a different story with a nearby building generating all that smoke. wtc7 had only very small fires. You can see these pictures by doing a search "wtc7 fires prisonplanet" - loads of them. What is the official version as to why building 7 collapsed ? What evidence do you have that supports the official version ?

If I do will you make him go away ? Its silly to ask such a question when you claim to be an engineer which Riverwind does. You should also know the answer to that as should anyone with a high school education.

Go to a library or consult an elementary school teacher. Its a stupid question - especially from someone that claims to be an engineer. Its proof that you are a liar.

Again ScottsA says nothing but offers empty criticism. Troll.

freeper = free republic = true conservative rather than "new" (neoliberal sycophant fascist) conservative

I know, thats why I am wondering what kind of engineer you are and am explaining that anyone that has studied grade 8 science can see that you have no idea what you are talking about, as pointed out in so many other examples (I can list them if you continue with this). I'm saving that one in my collection of Riverwind scientific quotes.

Everyone knows its anti semitic to criticise Israel.

No. You should understand the difference between defending someones right to free speech and defending what they are saying.

I think that is obviously wrong to anyone that did science in grade 8. What kind of engineer are you ? Are you related to Bill O'Reilly ?

Dr Stephen Jones was on Alex Jones today and he has found new evidence supporting his original hypothesis of thermate used to demolish the buildings. He says the idea of an energy beam or nuke used on 911 can be shown to be very unlikely. The high temperature sulfidization described in the FEMA report (with no supplied explanation for it) supports his additional findings of metalized spheres consisting of iron, aluminum and sulfur. Jones has explained in the past that there is a commercially available variety of thermate that can be made to explode due to super small particle size and it therefore easy to precisely time. Jones is often discredited by government apologists due to his involvement in cold fusion. He was the principle investigator for this for the department of energy. He investigated metal cold fusion and neon cold fusion. He says both work and there is a small benefit but its too hard to control. Jones has an impressive resume that includes doing his thesis at JPL. He has lost his position at BYU since supporting 911 truth and being the principle investigator/theorist of the movement. Jones is on 1 + 1/2 hours into the show which starts at 12 EST and cycles every three hours all day long. PrisonPlanet He has lots of new stuff on 911 and says Dr David Grisham has joined the movement. Jones has new stuff on 911 TBA at U of Texas - next Saturday night - Jones is inviting physicists to appear. Engineering people are invited to appear as well. He summarizes his findings on the Alex Jones show today. The best overall site for 911 is 911Research by Jim Hoffman. It describes scientific aspects of 911 in easy to follow slide shows with high resolution photos backing up his points and the evidence.

No, I'm not. I'm assumming that the temperature of these exceeds that of burning fuel. Thats stupid and very wrong. So what kind of engineer are you ?

Defend Rosie Petition Evene if you do not think 911 was an inside job, if you believe in free speech speak to the establishment by signing this petition.

Occams Razor does not state that the most simple minded explanation is usually the most correct. Occams razor says that the simplest explanation for the observed evidence is usually the correct one. The official version does not explain the melted steel and the hot spots therefore it is not correct.

Which "terrorists" claimed responsibilty without undergoing years of torture first and confessing to crimes that were committed before they were locked up and subjected to torture ? Where is the evidence that links the terror suspects to the act ? How did they obtain the means to get Cheney to give the stand down order for defenses at the Pentagon ?

I think everything is faked. Its all a play staged by the internationalist/Zionist/Central Banker/Fabian/Anglo-Dutch Royalty central powers of the world. But you believe it and I was wondering what you thought of that latest twist.

Riverwind, are you related to Bill O'Reilly ?

Don't misquote me like that. I did not ever say that thermodynamics only applies to closed systems and that it does not apply to building collapses. Argue the facts with facts and stop using your oipinion as fact and for gawd sakes stop passing your self off as an expert.

Here are some Riverwind quotes "The laws of Thermodynamics only apply to closed systems." "Themodynamics has nothing to do with building collapses." I don't think you can be taken too seriously with those quotes. So now you are an intelligence expert in addition to an engineer and banking/ finance expert.

Sounds like she needs a few copies of Terrorstorm or 911 Mysteries to pass around to friends & family. Every person that sees this has to be asked to participate in the movement. Before long it will only be a few nut cases that still think the gov report is anything but a lie. I believe if a butterfly can flap its wings in China and cause a hurricane a year later half way around the world then all that has to happen is the right person to learn about 911 being an inside job. We are six people away from knowing anyone on the planet. There are lots of smart people who have not yet questioned the official version or realize how much credibility the 911 truth movement has when compared to the gatekeeper community credibility. I wonder who will be last to figure out that 911 was an inside job.

Since when were they enemy combatants ?