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The NIST report and GW Bush have already said there may have been explosives in the buildings- I just can't find the links now. I saw GW say it on CNN & others have said the NIST report suggests it. You have structural engineers saying the same thing. But still...they must be speaking out of context. Man you are a good debater. We will see when the report come out.

So you think that even if wtc7 was demolished it may be that the other two buildings just coincidently came down on the same day as a result of fires and structural damage. Interesting.

That report will be saying that there were explosives in the building- Its already been suggested by GW Bush. I'll be real interested to hear how that gets explained in the context of foreign terrorism.

You must admit that our money system is corrupt. You must know that the Canadian government borrows money from private bankers and the private bankers create money from nothing and lend it to us at face value. Despite all the complex economic theory that is taught in schools, they don't teach banking for a good reason. This country pulled itself out of depression by using the Bank Of Canada to borrow money. In the 70's Trudeau shut that valve off and we are back on our way towards a depression - the rising national debt since the 70's shows that we send more and more tax dollars to private banks in return for creating their money every year and there is only one direction for the economy to go - bankruptcy. Now we pay 28 % of our income tax to private bankers. The economy now, the way it is managed with private bankers absolutely must go bankrupt there is nothing else that can happen - mathematically speaking. There is an easy way to fix this - the politicians have the government start going back to the Bank Of Canada for financing but that would save us from bankrupcy and saving the country is not part of the plan. The globalist plan is to flush the economy down the toilet and create another third world economy so that we can be controlled more easily. This is where the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc, & places like the RAND & the Tavistock Instiutute get all their money - our tax money. This is what the IMF & World Bank do all over the world. People living in cardboard homes are easier to control and there is less of a chance of them taking power away from you. If you don't believe what I am saying I suggest you check into oit. Some accountants understand it, some do not. Phd economists can't really deny it. If you don't believe how much control the banks have over us I would suggest reading John Kenneth Galbraiths book called "Money: Whence It Came; Where It Went". You could get a copy of a new book called " A Game As Old As Empire", edited by Stephen Hiatt, an ex world banker. The book is a collection of writings from people that are/were part of the money system. It has a foreward by John Perkins, author of Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man. There is no shortage of books and videos about the banks and the corrupt system under which they operate. Its the basis for the whole Monetary Reform movement here, in the USA and in the UK as well as other places. "By the time the people wake up to see the bars around them,the door will have already slammed shut." Texx Mars

I'm not - perhaps I said it wrong. But if wtc7 was demolished it leads one to conclude that wtc1 & wtc2 were demolished as well, unless there was another incredible 911 coincidence. I see. Do you think that maybe he was rehearsing for a play and those were his lines ? One of my profs in school was a thesbian. Perhaps thats it.

The quotes seem complete. Why don't you try explaining how "In my opinion the building WTC 7 [610 feet tall, 47 stories, and not hit by an airplane] was, with great probability, professionally demolished," could be taken out of context ? (this should be good) The whole NIST report was taken out of context because they do not actually investigate the collapses.

The lawyers getting a special tax break was in the paper around 2001. It applied to Ontario lawyers I also had a lawyer confirm that for me- bragg about it actually. The idea was to lower costs of people hiring lawyers. I know from my own experiences and what I have heard from lawyers that this guy is correct in his thinking. It really is all smoke and mirrors and that Canadian lawyers can do whatever they want. They have tricky definitions as to who is a person and who isn't. The legal rights apply to persons. I don't know if I am one or not - I just know the system is all corrupt from dealing with lawyers - I've never been to court nor would I ever want to. If the lawyers are corrupt then so are the judges & courts. Being a lying criminal doesn't prevent someone from being a member in good standing at the law society. We must take this self governance away. The fact that the legal system is based in corruption is proven by the fact that our monetary system is based in corruption. We can't get monetary reform from the courts because they are in kahoots with the bankers and empowered by them to maintain an illusion that they ultimately control. Those who print the money make the rules and direct society, not our dog and pony show "go along to get along" politicians that sign bills written by corporations into law with out even reading the legislation.

Try reading the quotes.

Actually there are quite a bit more experts in the field of structural engineering than one that say 911 was an inside job. That above post has two implying it. Where is the list of NIST contributing experts ?

(3) Most people are afraid of the US police state and don't want to lose their jobs like (Jones & Ryan) or end up on no fly lists or labeled as terrorists (4) A combo of (3) and the fact that enough people have come forward already and there is no point in taking risks to try and convince the sixteen perceneters because they will believe anything gov says anyway.

This engineering professor thinks the video is enough to make that determination. I guess if you say he is wrong he must be wrong. He is just a professor of structural engineering, not an expert at everything like yourself. Perhaps you could teach him a few things. They did leave a link on the quote. I think you should stop wasting your time on this forum and go straighten this guy out - teach him about science. Here is the quote again for you to follow the link: Tages Anzeiger Article 9/9/06: " In my opinion the building WTC 7 [610 feet tall, 47 stories, and not hit by an airplane] was, with great probability, professionally demolished," says Hugo Bachmann, Emeritus ETH-Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction. And also Jörg Schneider, likewise emeritus ETH-Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction, interprets the few available video recordings as evidence that "the building WTC 7 was with great probability demolished." English translation: http://www.danieleganser.ch Original in German: http://www.danieleganser.ch

The no fly list was discussed by a law professor today on prisonplanet TV. Its starts at about the beginning of the third hour - the show cycles every 3 hours and starts at noon EST time. www.prisonplanet.com, look for link at left of page for live show. The more public truthers are allowed to fly. Alex Jones says that going public is the best way to protect yourself. Well Mr Science, everything you have said has been shown to be ridiculous. Lots of people have made that claim based on watching only the video. The only way a building can collapse in such an orderly and expedient and complete manner is with controlled demolition. I hardly think you are qualified to determine competence of Phd'ed engineers and scientists.

The professor states his reasons for thinking wtc7 was demolished - the videos !! Its plainly obvious. We have lots of quotes and the fact the we don't have more from this side of the pond has to do with no fly lists and terrorist sympathizer lists that are made in secret with no oversight. What facts support NIST ? Which of the two 911 confessions do you believe ?

I was at a monetary refrm meeting last night. The leader, a 90 + year old that has been all over the world and lived through the wars and studied them said it was a shame that Harper compared these deaths to the ones at Vimy Ridge. These guys are being used to fight a war for opium and a pipeline that will keep Europeans and Russians from getting energy. In a sense Haliburton will be able to push them intio a corner. Its a banker/Haliburton war. There is no virtue in this war. We as taxpayers need to stand up. Its not the soldiers that will die for it that should take responsibilty. If I was a soldier I would be angry at the public and the bought off corporate whore politicians. I feel bad for them and obligated to protest against this criminal war.

Doesn't that make both the NIST & FEMA reports "assertions" ? - (since the evidence was destroyed and they were not allowed to look at it before generating the reports) Or are they facts that need to be disproven because the government says them ?

se below in bold Jack Keller, PhD, PE – Professor Emeritus, Civil and Environmental Engineering, Utah State University. Member, National Academy of Engineering. International advisor on water resources, development and agricultural water use. Serves as an advisor to the CALFED Water Use Efficiency Program and former member CALFED Independent Science Board. Awarded State of Utah Governor's Medal for Science and Technology (1988). Selected by Scientific American magazine as one of the world's 50 leading contributors to science and technology benefiting society (2004). Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Research proves the current administration has been dishonest about what happened in New York and Washington, D.C. The World Trade Center was almost certainly brought down by controlled demolitions and that the available relevant evidence casts grave doubt on the government's official story about the attack on the Pentagon." Jörg Schneider, Dr hc – Professor Emeritus, Structural Dynamics and Earthquake Engineering, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Former Vice President and honorary lifetime member of the International Association for Bridge and Structural Engineering. Tages Anzeiger Article 9/9/06: " In my opinion the building WTC 7 [610 feet tall, 47 stories, and not hit by an airplane] was, with great probability, professionally demolished," says Hugo Bachmann, Emeritus ETH-Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction. And also Jörg Schneider, likewise emeritus ETH-Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction, interprets the few available video recordings as evidence that "the building WTC 7 was with great probability demolished." English translation: http://www.danieleganser.ch Original in German: http://www.danieleganser.ch

What evidence ? Are you talking about that confession tape of Usama or do you think that new confession from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that was tortured at Gitmo is a valid confession ? Which confession do you believe ? Confession #1 Confession # 2 Which confession do you believe ?

What about the videos and those structural engineers that say you can tell the building was professionally demolished from the videos ? Were they brainwashed by Usama ?

Phone calls above 8000 feet by cell in a plane are impossible. Prior attack on wtc was shown on TV to be inside job set up by FBI. Usama bin Laden confession was faked. That really wasn't Usama and anyone can see that. Search "fake Osama confession" on google and you will see a black guy that is 50 lbs overweight and has a pug nose impersonating Usama. Funny the audio isn't actually available ...

I have no expectations. I'm just glad in a sense that 911 happened because it does expose the underbelly of the beast. I know people died on 911 but many more die because of the beast and if its underbelly can be exposed to enough people then we can be free. No more GM foods & Montasanto spraying crops to steal farmers land, no more banker wars, no more flouride in the water, no more UN brainwashing in the education system, NO MORE INCOME TAX !!!, no more scum in political power, no more $500.00/hr lying criminal lawyers, no more sex slave trading that we help support with our taxes, no more global warming BS, no more smart kids having to serve coffee for minimum wage, no more fear of the life sucking beast and its planned mass executions, no more complex & corrupt legal systems that can put any of us in jail for no reason, no more gate keepers on discussion groups.

suicide is the worse thing I could do Wilber. Wilber, what do you think of those quotes from structural engineers that I posted today on this thread that say the building(s) had be destroyed by CD ? ScottsA ? For your reference:

Whats the difference between assertion and mathematical fact ?

Who's Polly ? Getting frustrated ScottsA ?

So you can't answer any of my questions directly stignasty ? The Bandwagon is the NIST report and you are on it. You should take a look at it or the FEMA report. Obviouisly those quotes above from Phd Structural engineers saying 911 was an inside job are just propoganda then. I don't cliam to be a pilot or aeronatical engineer but their explantions wrt G forces (and this is very determinable from the flight path) , etc sound reasonable. There are lots of expert pilots that say it was impossible. You have already shown that you will believe anything put out by the government - no matter how ridiculous.

I've got that book too. It looked like a fun read as I looked through it but I haven't read it yet. Not surprising that they want to keep the law around income tax secret. If you can afford a lawyer you can probably get answers. I know that lawyer tax structure is different from everyone else in Ontario.