DarkAngel_

oh... you mean 13 and a half? i spell bad and have barley any insite into world geography. but i'm good with science! history and philosiphy too, go ahead, ask away! and by the way i'm 17. also i suck at math as well.

Although I said I believe faith is a necessity in life, I never once said doubt was unnecessary. Anyways, the Columbus thing was about something interesting I had read not so long ago in a book on historical myths. I remember being taught and reading that Columbus was discouraged from crossing the ocean because he would fall off the edge of the world. Apparently this was not true at all, as scholars had already decided long before that the earth was round. The real argument was that Columbus underestimated the distance across the ocean. And they were right! Pretty interesting huh! yes but i saw that you may have no doubt that your right. i fear only that you will not question it. how about this, we answer eachother questions, i'll ask you 3 and you can ask me 3, and you can answer based on faith, and i'll answer you based on curiosity. 1.why do i exist? 2.why is there something instead of nothing? 3.what words must i speak to qet my ultimate question? your turn... and about columbus, i saw a movie on that, a while back, i'm not an american history buff but i'm good with myths. my point was, and i quote this from a great freind of mine in victoria,"history is just a set of events we've agreed upon." columbus was most likely discouraged by those closest to him, professionaly and personaly. also i found that the first records of the world being 'flat' was written by scholars and monks of the cathlic church. and as i see it your right, scientificly so i geuss a giant leap is needed once in awhile, but no religon has made this giant step. so i need to know who men follow philisophicly. men or gods? and i have an answer somewhat, but no one has said they follow gods, so my question is not completely answered.

and i said yes, but i now say no, i see that religon was a creature of our mind, so no thing in that is wrong so long as it had madness.

i'm athest, and has my mountain grown by gods? no i see no things that gods are as me. i am no god, but 'we' shape our selves and what we do with 'things' of the world. the world changes on it's own. my existance is unknown and if you can explain it, please do, but i have no eye's for the blind, and even if i did they would not see like anyone else, so if 'to you' we must feel like more then men, is that not greedy? my spirit is happy to feast on my eye's but i shall not let it blind me, because i can explain the marvels and show my spirit so that it may sit an listen. is that spirtuality?

am i not wise then? i need to know more? then is always to question a flaw? my grandpa is a damned fool to me , his wisdom dank and dull. he thinks he knows : it all already. but i beleive he does not, for i asked him and he said, "what?"

a riddle! i'll give you a rittle; in the states to young to drink, i canot by a cigar, i have the time to pass my teacher, and can definitly drive a car. is that the answer you need? i think i'm the youngest! but i do have life experiance. ask me of things and i would answer, and i can grab a blade, i'm adult enough to work my self, even to the grave. if you don't get it, them your too young, and i older then you, and based in though that i am me, 11 and a half is the size of my shoe. if you still dont get it i'm 5-5-5-1+21+5-3+5+5= and if you still dont get it... 17

i said yes! because from a morality of self goverance comes the fall of a slave morality! my wish is to rule myself! the ultamite freedom and those rules i may use and not excuse for my actions by my virtue. i choose only 1 virtue, and i shout no law at others, for i am more true to myself and not as fast to be damned. so i am godless and without fear i have no wrath. so i am in my height, alone, but not for long as i have seen madness be freindly in these heights, and so hard i've dreamed of flying, know that i shall fly! so i hope that it is so, and am sure that religon, was not the 1st morality.

so what did it mean as a reply?

may people do as they like, i am not restricted to my culture. i beleive this is their point.

well, where you their? i think it may have been more situational then universal, i think some people, not the people, discouraged him. i may have to do study on this, but if you are refering this to faith, then why did he go and do it? did he say that he does this for his faith? i agree science has a faith that is open to being disproven, and religon is not as welcoming to disproof. but i still have not had my answer from the other side, who is to lead you, men, or gods? i never questioned your faith, i questioned your reason, and from that i am asking for your logic, i do not need to be proven that science is a faith, i know that sometimes it is so. if you are to jump a gap, you may need a filler to get you to the other side, that can be faith, but for me, it is curiosity, i do not want any one outcome, i just want to see a result, whatever it might be. is that what compaires us to your philosiphy? are you curios of your god, do you question him? or as i learned in my youth not to, but to only have faith, i found that very hollow. so new question, are you hollow?

I think I do realize that, to an unusual extent. And I've knowingly and deliberately trained myself to recognize and avoid it. I laughed so hard at this! this is the best intellectual joke all summer! Wait, its fall...ok all year! You have gotten the "this is a funny joke" award! laminate it. and i am the same way, i take almost nothing on faith especially if it can't be proven.

Without faith you would not have a life. Science touts the scientific process. But some degree of faith is usally present in most scientific endeavours. Someone makes a theory. And then he tests to see if he is right. To take any possible scientific direction you most often have a reason for choosing it. You believe in some result. Its not eeny-meeny-miney-mo is it? Without faith everything could be a lie. All the people around you could be in a massive conspiracy to fool you. They could have made up all the history of the world. Everything could be an elaborate joke on you. Without faith nothing is worth a shot. Though not remarking to me, i must reply. That we have been seeing these fools creating conspiracy, but does that mean you and them and us? no, we all conspire to a point and that you are questioning truth, or was it honesty... is so strange to me. How has man progressed? by child or adult? by child i see dreams of flying, so we found flight! we had hope in flying by this child, not by faith, faith is a risk and hope gets you their, one worries and the other cheers your way-going. is science based on something? well we always say a dream or ambition, what has the humble priest gotten us with faith? well i see hope that is given, that of any person can exept, but do i want everyone elses faith?, but my life was not prophesized, and my name not taken with faith so that i live, i am alive and by that i had no life before me, in that i am me and no one else. so i hade no faith i would live, but hope maybe. and my reasoning is based on this child, 'what if' he asks every day, and then i see if it is so, to temp reality, to see the bounds of it so that i may learn why i am so! i have only 1 goal, and it is to not have a goal, but to improve past my goal to who it is in these heights i must be to see my existence as it truly is, and have my final answer. but first i need a final question.

The real choice your question amounts to is between men or men claiming gods' authority. Since the latter must be liars, I'd choose the former. my 1st qeustion is to the true power behind a church or religous orginization, the people, so is the faiths trying to get EVERYONE into their church, and is 1 of their tactics to take a small amount (or large) of control in our government. I think the question is too broad to be answered. I consider myself a Christian. I know alot of Christians are not political period. But some Christians are political. And some have Christian Politcal agendas. Some may have agendas simply to protect what they see as religious rights. Some may be all out for control. I dont know. But is religion trying to take over the government. You make "religion" sound like an actual living person. People believe in the seperation of church and state. But does this mean that people who are religious should be barred from politics. I dont know. Is there some conspiratorial effort among Christians to take over the government? They never told me about it anyway. I think Canada is pretty fair overall. I think there may be some political Christians who encourage other Christians to vote and to vote their conscience on certain issues. I dont see anything so wrong with that. Christians have a vote, and people and groups have the right to encourage them to vote a certain way for whatever reason they want. Do the Conservatives not have ads promoting their parties and promoting their stance on certain issues? And dont the Liberals have the same? Idealogy is not limited to religion. Socialism, classical liberalism, etc etc. All these are idealogies. All people to some degree want their own idealogies to succeed in the political world. But I dont think all people are trying to control everything or every aspect. I think for most Christians being politically active is like anyone else being politically active. They want representation. They want to maintain freedom of belief. JBG pointed out in another thread that a CBC forum banned the word Jew. You know, I am afraid of a world where freedom of belief will be passively opposed by Political Correctness. I strongly believe in the Church's freedom to not perform a gay marriage since it is against its own beliefs. You know it may sound ridiculous. But given the trends in thinking, I dont think it is unreasonable to assume that one day the refusal of the church to perform this may considered discrimination. isn't religon alive? i do agree we all have such freedoms, to beleive or not in these highest of hopes, that things are as we wish them to be. i am not saying the worshipers are currupt, but as in politics, the leaders may be currupt, and that they may be trying to get their faithful to beleive in them a bit longer with magic tricks and scientific artifice, i have seen event after event unfold where the church is 'regretful' of actions uncovered in there own backyard. the qeustion then is, how long shall it live? to me it is culture, pride in one's own heritage, but has this heratige grown? if so then what are the intensions of this old cat, that has so much pity it will no longer strike! to live longer? or to change anew not built on the past that even today we screech at and condemn as bad choices. in science we ask 'is fire alive?' and as with all single minded creatures we could not decide if it was, but it still died. so are we to follow men then? who in science was made before these gods? or are we to follow gods, who in faith we listened to men and was told we were created by these gods. the debate is not which is true, but what do men want with the world if we chose to follow gods?

did you know that word meant "to throw" at 1 time?

The real choice your question amounts to is between men or men claiming gods' authority. Since the latter must be liars, I'd choose the former. my 1st qeustion is to the true power behind a church or religous orginization, the people, so is the faiths trying to get EVERYONE into their church, and is 1 of their tactics to take a small amount (or large) of control in our government.

"anti-statists prefer the term "anarchism". The word "anarchy", as most anarchists use it, does not imply chaos, nihilism, anomie or the total absence of rules, but rather an anti-authoritarian society that is based on voluntary association of free individuals in autonomous communities, operating on principles of mutual aid and self-governance" i read from wikipedia last week, and oh what a sweet peace it would be to have only your rules, that to govern one's self and have moral willingness to aid others, or to travel all day, to be the ultimate choice that is yours how sweet, that peace would be, a individualistic soiciety of 'self-rulers' those who all have no intrest of ruling others. that is a great image,

if evolution is so, then gays may change over a mass amount of time in a way that may be geneticly astrange, but i do not beleive things are that black and white, is not a gay called a hethen? name 1 religon that would not hang or shun such a sexuality, but those of neutrality may 'endure' as they say, is that not calling them the black sheep as well?

What exactly do you mean 'built on'? Most countries have a heritage that is permeated by the religious superstitions people within them historically held, so I suppose in that sense such societies as we find them today are colored by those religions. But most states in the world do no rely upon religious authority as a premise for the authority of the state. the origin of government is obvios, and of religon, qeustionable, but if we had been ruled by the faiths would more be dead? or is it that heritics should be dead, i am one of many outcast in my community, but they at least accept it, but we still feel, unwelcome. what of religon do we beleive? that those of finding have found much to be proven, in evolution, in the origns of the universe and the science of existance. my qeustion is then, what in reality do you want guiding you, men or gods?

How about, WE ALL ARE ALIENS! how can an alien be not an alien to an alien, he cannot so we are all alien to one another, i do agree. but i think we have our own choices so whatever 'it' may be, we are here and without proof to the super divine, so shall we rest this at that?

Go into the forest, literally in the middle of predators, feel that you are cornered and cry a war cry loud, then use sticks to defend yourself from these hungry animals, and that is to be oppressed. and then to fight back.

How fun, what of these men speak of gods and not of men, how is it you have come to this, that god is to fix as if we are broken, do you not trust the thinker? That finds all knowledge and thinks, is he a fast thief or lire? Is he which says the universe was made billions of years ago, and does he who says the earth is round or that the earth in not the center of the universe... broken? Are we not the best of ourselves in that flexibility? I see cold men they are as white sand and salt to my wound, of this god does and is as those men, a phantasm and monstrosity. Did he not say we are made in his image? then he might himself be suffering like us, before us, and is imperfect, and hence made us to see us laugh and cry so that he could forget himself, then god is like a suffering child and we his toy. Or is it that we ARE god, and we created him in our image of morality, that is to the thinker, a possibility. But do you have such blind faith that not a man or women is good enough, that you are tired of man and his imperfections? We are here to be our selves and of strong to fierce to child we must become to be released from your pride, that the culture you cling to will then turn into history. and we can move forward, call to your god, tell him you have SEEN him come, or believe in faith what books made by men who know nothing of our magic’s that today is not called magic, that you where raised from child to find these things around you, do you call the makers of these magic’s witches and devils? Is it not that part of your book is ignored or denied? What of your chivalry? Where did it go with your children? What is it, those devils? then of this no man can or should say, let things come and be, not be prophesized in fires of gay, and rings of false gold. this of man your leaders wish to fix, death of all will NEVER be acceptable, so the wars those of that faith see in visions shall NOT happen, for if they do, we as men will destroy ourselves, with weapons of gods. So in your believe I respect and as this I took offence to you saying broken, is wrong. Prove me that without words and I’ll give you that argument. that is an atheists logic, or mine at least and it is humankind I believe in, so now what of logic would you know of man.

does religon want the world? is atheism a religon and is it trying as well? is atheism the neutral ground between all faiths? should their be a neutral ground between faiths? is religon being the government (or controling it in any way), right? i know it's contraversal but i see that; as no color, does that make it a color? and i qeustion it because i am sided by radicalistest that seem to want to have their religon on top.

I posted a topic a few months ago asking if the worlds morality was slipping, I got allot of diff. responses Most questions about what 'moral' meant, well, I’m guessing it means right and wrong based on humanitarian action, I was told by a someone that their stereo was stolen and the police system did nothing to stop the theft or find the thief, I was also told that a preachers family was attempting to do fraud, all good examples, but what I meant was; would a common person who was faced with an open opportunity to take some ones money A: steal it B: try to rip them off some how C: ask D: does nothing The same could go for corporations that are increasing pricing to a high extend, their extra cash increase federal tax, including for employee's, companies are creating rifts in federal info allowing illegal activity to develop, including fraud. Health care is becoming more expensive and charters established to help with that, are making outrageous requirements. Illegal immigrants are being allowed to purchase housing in America, and take up a large amount of funds needed for American healthcare. Also it could go for government, for a full suit on an American solder, the cost could range all the way up to $14,000 mattering on field and profession, America is in debt again, and is taking tax from it's citizen while senators (etc.) are increasing there pay by trying to pass a pay increase. (Greedy b@$t#%ds) also military has demanded (at the start of the war in Iraq) for increased funds which is a given since the cost of an all out military strike is colossal, and a president promising a tax cut, has only increased taxes to fund the war and pay off debts. Also other non managing server site's on the internet and other technology devices are requiring a credit card for monthly services (and only a credit card) many free information sites are jumping over the law to gain cash, and oil companies are refusing to shut down even after the weather crisis that is arising and the lack of sites to drill out fossil fuel, protesters are being arrested for arsenal even when the protest did not breakout into violence (at all) and this resulting from the home defense agencies increased lookout for possible terrorist activity, These actions could tell anyone 'hey, thats just not right', the war in Iraq was not needed, and the only reason we haven't pulled out is because we have no one to take care of Iraq for us, I’m not saying we should pull out, but intel was bad and many innocents were lost based on its info, terror was the target, I think we should have stuck to it, the problems in the middle east could have been salved in a much more effective less risky manner, but patience was not an option, so, we moved out with a punch and hurt others in the process, that is morally wrong to those who died based on that intel, we should have waited for confirmed, photographically evidence before a quick, lack-of-info strike, it's like giving a retard a gun and telling him his teachers an alien (='s dead teacher) a more effective military system is in order, and we need to stop having prepish presidents and leaders, make a hard working citizen with a good head and smarts but with an ego not afraid to get down in the ditches and work like everyone else president , someone with the goal to protect America and its 'people', not just the American government. So... Do you agree?

In the processes of warming an internal atmosphere, rays from the sun are trapped and reflected from the surface to the sky and continue until the ray dissipates, but if there is to much 'solar interference' , the ray is reflected back and stays in a constant, heating the inner atmosphere too much causing global warming. If the 'solar interference' increases, rays will begin to reflect off the outer surface, doing the opposite (no light gets in, no warmth from sun). it's not just us causing global warming (released gas pockets, volcanic pollution and other things can cause it) but we are most definitely increasing it by I guess 500%, so if the problem only decreases, we might have to deal with hot (and I mean very hot) summers. If we do nothing we will probably get hot weather, and then an ice age. But, if it stops and other 'less' expensive energies are used, hopefully free energy like electricity, then we won't have to deal with the harshness of global warming. understand? (and the warm water thing causing ice age works too, so we might have a higher chance of ice age) and montana is already coold!!!)

i see this in comic form, someone needs to draw this and send it to the news paper. any suggestions as to what it might look like?lol