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Abortion won't go to Parliament but SSM will... Look, when it is over it is over. We'll live with the result and know that Prime Minister Harper (am I the only one who gets giddy when they write that now? ) will live with the decision.

That beer was $6.00 last night and I'm still just rolling out of bed now, might even go back. There ya go, we will definately be a credible meanstream alternative. But I fear we are going to incur some 'Ignatamania.' Right off the boat yankee and people are ok with that, yet feared Harper for maybe having US ties. Oh my. The cognac was free here last night...wait, that's because it came from my apartment!!! Yeah, the aspirin and the coffee have been working back to back...Martin's speech sounded someone coherent today when I heard it on the radio...

It should not be too hard for Harper to avoid being seen as 'too hard line', not without a majority. He pretty much has to stay near the political middle, and I hope he realizes that most Canadians are there too. And continue to unveil more Liberal corruption...

Hope so. Makes a second CPC government much more likely IMO. I would never vote for Copps or any other individual associated with the Chretien years and I hope that any Liberal with a brain would agree... Then again, please do vote for them...after about 16 years of Harper majority rule the Liberals may be able to learn that Canadians don't want any more of those people around.

Sage, I don't think he has done a bad job. My point is that Harper cannot allow a high-profile Martinite to stay in such a position while trying to improve relations with Washington. You are also correct to say that he is not part of the Liberal dynasty DIRECTLY...but he was appointed by that dynasty. I personally think that McKenna will resign before anything else though.

I don't know. No doubt he will get something out of this.

Thats the plan, I won't miss her sadly. I liked Alberta 70-something % support of the Tories as well. I don't know if anyone will... Hey, the Conservatives only lost my riding by about 15-20% last night when they usually lose it by about 25-30%. Maybe a sign of things to come? My riding has been Liberal at least for the last 20 years...

SHE IS DONE...LANDSLIDE ANNIE...AU REVOIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You should have heard the celebration last night, wow. I think it was a bigger cheer when Annie lost than when we won. I stayed up late just to make sure she lost. This is crucial...for the first time in so long the Liberals don't have MPs from every province, while the CPC has made crucial gains in Quebec. This may change the Canadian political landscape for a LONG time if Harper can be a good PM.

Give an example of republicans race baiting. Oh come on. Both Liberals, Conservatives, Republicans, Democrats--ALL of them play the race game to get votes. Newt Gingrich called the Democrat-controlled Congress a plantation in 1994...Hillary Clinton just recently called the GOP-led Congress a plantation. The left and right are looking for racial allies on both sides of the spectrum. The left wants the black vote defined by the Democrats, same with the Republicans and the right looking for the hispanic vote (especially in Florida). In conclusion, both the left and right will play the race card as far as it takes them...

I don't know if he will be replaced just yet. Harper can go direct with Bush because they will be on better footing. McKenna can hang out for a bit there. I am pretty sure McKenna will be gone by Jan. 31

Honestly I don't think he has done badly either. But I want Harper to replace him because he still represents the old Liberal dynasty and Harper needs to clean that up. I have no idea who could replace him...maybe an old PC premier?

It has been awhile since I took a political behaviour course in university but I believe that all budget bills are confidence votes and then the PM can define a confidence vote as they see fit. But I am not 100% sure...pretty sure that is right though.

"A logical appraisal of the situation would automatically conclude that the problem isn't religious beliefs, irreligious beliefs, gays, or straights, but rather the idea that government should be the final and exclusive authority on whether someone is married or not -- rather than the two people who voluntarily enter into the marriage." You know, I consider myself quite moderate, a bit right-leaning though. I am a firm believer in the separation of church and state and I believe that all religions should feel well at home in a democratic society. I believe that most Western societies (Canada, U.S., U.K., etc.) are Christian-based. For that reason, I think we should still be able to say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays." But that itself should be based on tradition, not on government imposition. Government should not impose marriage laws and abortion laws. On abortion, a person needs to make a value judgement--is it against what they believe or not? As for marriage, the state can give civil unions. And by all means, the state should be able to unite heterosexuals and homosexuals. Again, this is perfectly acceptable. But then there is marriage. YankAbroad, you say what I believe. That government being the final authority on marriage IS the problem. That is correct. I believe that government should not define marriage. Religious institutions should define marriage and, you know what, if someone wants to get married in their apartment or in their backyard and call that "marriage," then I will accept that as their interpretation of marriage, whether or not I personally believe it is marriage. As a final thought, the state should define its values. Various religious institutions should define their values. The two should be separate...

I think he knows that he isn't what the Liberals need right now. I think that is probably a good point na85 although I didn't hear that last night. BTW: Welcome!!!

I agree but norman once said he lived in BC.

McKenna wants it, that I am sure of.

In an effort to improve relations with Washington DC and bring Frank McKenna home to lead the Liberal Party, I believe Prime Minister Harper should fire him. I also believe Harper can defeat McKenna in an election if he leads a strong government the next few years. STORY HERE: http://www.canada.com/national/features/de...47-0860d0e52adf

Let us hope, Harper majority in approx. 2-3 years...

That depends on whether they decide Paul Martin is English or French. The party has a tradition of switching linguistic groups with every leader. Chretien was clearly French, so that makes Martin look pretty. On the other hand, Martin Cauchon is the only francophone that I know of that may be in the Liberal running.

SHE IS DONE...LANDSLIDE ANNIE...AU REVOIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cybercoma, Do we know what he supports and what he doesn't support?

Good call, I really got that 'from now on' feel from Harpers speech (I was 15 feet from him muwaha). Well now I have to ask you August as a Quebecker (are you primarily anglophone or francophone, out of curiosity), what you felt of Harpers last speech and if it gave you renewed hope for the Federalism movement in Quebec. Also, how do you feel about how Harper is going to perform in the eyes of Quebec media? tml jump in if you need to as well. This result does great things for federalism in Quebec geoffrey. Don't get me wrong...sovereignty is not dead. However, if Harper's victories in some solidly separatist regions proved anything last night, they proved that the soft nationalist vote is still wavering and could be persuaded to stay in Canada. The result also was a blow to the Bloc, both psychologically and mentally. They picked up seats in Montreal (like Pettigrew's Foreigns Affairs seat and Frulla's Heritage seat) but they hurt in their strongest region. It proves that they cannot count on the soft nationalist vote. Harper is in the position to re-define federalism. If he can, if he does, then we will see a major shift in Quebec politics. However, that is still a big IF. Nothing is set in stone and the sovereignty movement--especially among younger, more left-leaning francophone Quebecers--will remain strong.

Got me on that one Hydra...

She's attractive but completely not loyal.

She won. :angry: