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I never even commented on it. I said that the statement guns don't kill people, people kill people is not a lie.

I am not looking for a way (clumsily or otherwise) to claim it's not what does the killing. I have actually said it. Several times. It's not a lie.

I never said it did. That doesn't change the fact that the gun, whether it gives an advantage or not, isn't what decides to kill someone.

So in both those cases a person killed someone. Person being the singular of people. The gun didn't cause the felon or mentally ill person to kill anyone. Also, as far as being mentally ill goes, there are tons of people diagnosed with mental illnesses who don't kill people. Once again we aren't arguing about what people mean when they say "guns kill people." The OP referred to the statement "guns don't kill people, people kill people." It is not a lie. My soup wouldn't have been eaten yesterday without a spoon, but the spoon did not eat my soup.

But the topic is not "what people mean when they say guns kill people". The topic is the truth behind the statement "Guns don't kill people. People kill people." What they mean is the gun doesn't decide to kill people or even take action on its own. The OP says this is a lie. But it is the truth.

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See the post above by CdnFox....

The claim is true (unless we are talking about some accident occurring due to a faulty weapon), and you have made no logical argument to refute this claim. Guns do not just go around killing people. People decide to use guns for that purpose. The same way baseball bats don't beat people and cars don't run people over. A person can beat someone with a baseball bat or use a car to run someone over, but those things do not do it themselves.

How is that a lie? A gun is not a thinking being that decides to kill people either. Guns don't break into peoples homes or show up at schools to shoot people.

Danielle Smith never banned A Handmaid's Tale. The Edmonton school board did. https://www.ctvnews.ca/calgary/article/albertas-school-book-removals-spark-backlash-from-educators-authors-students/

He doesn't back down like Carney. He would have even been in Parliament this summer. Carney sent everyone on vacation after telling us we were in the greatest crisis we have ever faced.

Maybe. Or maybe it's the way he was portrayed vs Pierre.

Which is precisely what I have said. Conservatives in Canada... and perhaps not just the party but conservatives on a grassroots level have to combat the mainstream narrative. But the commentary is precisely what very many people pay attention to. Most people I meet in daily life are not like the people on this forum. The impressions people get of whether someone is good or not are often contagious. Do other people like them? And that can be manufactured. You can observe this on social media all the time. I know tons of people who had Je Suis Charlie French flags on their profiles who have no idea what Charlie Hebdo is.

Yeah, I am sure if I met him I would not hate him either. Maybe I might like him. You know, if he wasn't a politician I didn't dislike. But there is nothing charismatic about him. In fact I don't think charisma is all that common among Canadian politicians. Charisma or the benefits of charisma can be manufactured. Take Zelensky for instance. Most people did not know who he was before the invasion. But all it took was a few weeks of glowing exposure in the media and some women on talk shows saying 'I'd marry him.. he is so cute.', and just like that people who literally know nothing about the guy all thought he is sooooo amazing and women start saying he is cute. A few weeks earlier if you had shown the same women a picture of that guy they would have never been in love with him. That's not to say that Zelensky necessarily would come across as a bad guy if you met him, but there is no doubt in my mind that his sudden fame was manufactured. South of the border conservatives understand the power of the narrative and that they had to overcome it. They are far more active than we are. There are a lot more conservative podcasters now, and that is a good thing, but we still are not as active as Americans are. We need a movement.

Political opinions aside. Does Carney actually come across as likeable to you? I mean it's not that I would say he is loathing or anything like that, but he is not charismatic by any measure.

That is true. But that means that the smartest course of action is to address the 'how they became facts' part, because it won't matter who the conservative leader is if those who control the mainstream narrative will continue to spend more time criticizing the opposition (as long as they are not Liberals) than the actual government.

And I would argue that that is less a function of Pierre's persona or lack of charisma and more a function of media landscape in Canada. It was quite noticeable even back when he first became leader of the party and started showing his first signs of gaining popularity that the CBC went on the attack against him quite regularly. Something they rarely did with the actual Trudeau gov't that was in power in spite of many scandals.

Carney has no great persona or any charisma. He was elected. I would say Pierre is far more likeable than Carney, but of course that is subjective. But imo he is a far better speaker than Carney and much more personable. Carney is completely dry in tone, lifeless, and speaks in meaningless word salad. More important than the persona Pierre projects is the way the gov't funded media chooses to cover it. It's no coincidence that it was the CBC boomer crowd that voted heavily for him. The guy is very likeable. He speaks clearly and doesn't use the same meaningless fluff Trudeau and Carney resort to. The obstacle for Pierre is not his personality. It's the legacy media in Canada. Conservatives have to find more ways to get their narrative out there and combat the Liberal friendly media. Here is an excellent interview with Pierre, for anyone interested.

Pierre did a great interview with CTV Atlantic yesterday.

As soon as Trump announced he was going to run again and put himself back in the public eye, this was going to be the Liberals line of attack. Trump is the ultimate boogeyman, and it wouldn't matter who won leadership of the CPC, they were going to be called Trumpy.

Tories battling back against Carney Liberals' 'Carbon Tax 2.0' https://torontosun.com/news/tories-battling-back-against-carney-liberals-carbon-tax-2-0 Yay