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Wow. Kinda surprised the Babylon Bee went there.

Edit that. The country should be called Trumpia, it's citizens Trumpians, and the national anthem "We are the Trumpians.".

The best dance moves ever.

And it's not like Trump insulting people is anywhere near as bad as the fake dossier or the weaponized DOJ.

Lovin' the new Trump avatar. Welcome aboard the Trump Train. Toot toot!!!!!!

If Trump lied about Taylor Swift, I'd be more okay with that than people who lied about the President having dementia for three years.

I thought that was a great rally. MAGA crowd was warm and welcoming to RFK Jr. Trump was on. Welcome aboard the Trump Train, Bobby. Toot toot.

I love seeing the Trump crowd cheering for Bobby.

How about Trumpland? And it's citizens could be Trumpians. That's something that everyone could get behind.

I am not sure he has cut any deal with Trump because it hasn't even happened. I think he reached out to Trump before Kamala, though.

Yeah, I am going to take her accusations with a grain of salt. She claims he said all these horrible things, but she was there right until the end of his presidency. Reminds me of the aide who said Trump grabbed the steering wheel.

I have heard this rumor for a while, but RFK's running mate, Nicole Shanahan, suggested the possibility today. https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/20/politics/robert-kennedy-nicole-shanahan-donald-trump-endorsement/index.html

What stands out to me recently is that after he was pushed out for being senile, not one leftist poster here could just acknowledge it. They couldn't even offer a whataboutism. No, it was honorable. It was selfless. myata even called it a political masterstroke.

One example of a policy difference between the two of them is that Trump favored overturning Row V. Wade and returning the issue of abortion to the States. DeSantis favored a national ban. Without getting into my own opinions on the matter, I have observed many Republicans taking either one of these positions over the years. There have been several Republican presidents since Row V. Wade. I just assumed no matter what position a Republican had, Row V. Wade would never be overturned. Opposing abortion outright or believing the decision falls to the state was just a thing every Republican had to say. Trump was the one president who made that happen. If getting stuff done is a personality trait, then I think most people on either side of the aisle value that personality trait pretty highly.

No, it's just saying personality is a factor. If it is a determining factor because all other things are equal, that is nothing comparable to a cult of personality. It is not the most important factor. It's a balance. In the end though, it's about policy. Policy is the determining factor. If I believe Trump can deliver on more conservative policies than DeSantis, he is the best choice. And this is what all political parties do. Personality is always a factor. Many people won't vote for Trump because of his personality. You have to consider the policies. You have to consider elect-ability. You have to consider whether someone will stick to those policies. If being stubborn enough to stick to your promises is a personality trait, then I would say most practical voters value that highly. That is not an example of cultism. It's just common sense. I mean ok, let's say you have two front-runners in the Democrat primary -- Barack Obama and Jerry Nadler. They largely have the same platform. Who is going to win? We both know the answer. Is this an example of a cult of personality?

I think that is just your biased opinion of the average Trump supporter. To be fair though, there are definitely Trumpers like that. But that's just par for the course in politics. Obama had mindless fawning adorers as well. No it isn't. And you saying it is over and over does not make it so. I like the policies of both Trump and DeSantis. In order to see the policies I want achieved I support the guy I think will deliver on more of them. So, even insomuch as I am willing to consider personality a factor, it is ultimately for policy's sake that I do so.

It's hard to say. I think they have both copied a lot of positions from each other. It's hard to say what policies DeSantis would stick to if elected. I think DeSantis would be more socially conservative. In the end, though, personality being a factor does not mean personality is the main thing. It's pragmatic. Who will fight harder to achieve some of our goals?

That is not at all what I said. Nothing in there about policy. I think he may be more articulate and politically savvy.

Not at all. You are assuming that, but that is not what I have said. I would not support a person like Trump if he were to support leftist ideas. He is not as far right as people make him out to be but he is still a conservative. Your fallacy is that because I think it is important for a politician (particularly one our side) these days to have a tough personality, that I think personality is more important than policy. I think policy is far more important, which is why I would not support a Democrat Trump. But in determining which candidate is best suited to fight the other side, Trump's toughness is definitely a factor. I think for the most part this is a factor with every President in the US. You would never see the kind of leaders we have in Canada becoming US President.

That is not what I am saying at all. Trump has policies we support. Well, I am Canadian, but you get my drift. I think realistically Trump is more of a centrist than right wing. There may be people who claim to be more ideologically conservative than him, but they are little good if they are not willing to fight for anything.

When I think back to the early stages of the primaries, I wasn't completely sure who I supported. I listen to a variety of podcasters on our side of the fence. Guys like Dave Rubin and Ben Shapiro were favoring DeSantis, and they were making a good case. In many ways, I think he is a far superior candidate to Trump. I think he is more professional. I think he has a better understanding of politics. I was actually leaning toward him at first. Also, Trump had already lost an election. Some younger people I listen to were more into Vivek. I like Vivek, but he is still kind of new to the game. Trump is a lot rougher around the edges than DeSantis or Ramaswamy, but I think it's the prosecutions that actually make me favor him. Whether you agree or not, a lot of us see the cases against Trump as very excessive. That in itself is not a reason to support him. I don't support Trump because of a rebellious reaction to the lawfare. It's more the fact that he basically walked into it. I don't think Trump is really even all that conservative. But he was willing to go through the fire. He could go to jail. I don't think that this was on the cards until he announced he was running. I am not sure Vivek or DeSantis would be willing to do that. Trump is very tough in a way. I mean, I don't think he would be tough in a street fight or anything like that. But he is pretty stubborn. That's why I think people like him. If lawfare is the game Democrats want to play with their political opponents, then you need someone who is going to take it.

I am just saying that I automatically believed the OP. It seems plausible. It's not hard to believe that someone on the left said this.

Good point. But at the same time it just seems so plausible....

Oh noes!!!

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