Five of swords

The issue was exactly whether a gas chamber 70 years ago could function today. That was all I was claiming. You decided yourself to read more into it. The picture you showed me was apparently, according to the 'experts', a former delousing chamber. So I wasn't actually wrong. Hitler was apparently playing musical rooms in that particular 'death camp',, which is supposed to explain the anomaly. All I said was that we do not have the actual gas chambers in the death camps today. We just have rooms that we say used to be gas chambers, but none of the infrastructure still remains. That is what you were arguing against...and you CHOSE to interpret that to mean I was claiming there never were gas chambers. But that was all you. All I stated was universally accepted fact...nothing controversial about it.

Why wouldanyone want to turn historically white countries into non white countries? Well for one thing, maybe they just don't like white people. A more 'sophisticated attitude could be revealed in the works of Richard coudenhove kalergi, who seems very misunderstood by some conspiracy theorists, but there is a point here: kalergi, reflecting on the causes of world War 1 and also recognizing that the struggle for the power of states required ever increasing resources and population, combined with (probably his personal experience as a hapa), realized that mixing the dna of people ('confusing the nations as senecherib did in the talmud')...tends to make people feel less loyal to either ancestor. Thus they lose the blood ties to the past and strong ethnic or racial identification and are more willing to tie their loyalty to 'concepts' rather than blood. These concepts could be religious, or vague platitudes like 'freedom', or dedication to a particular football team or other consumer products. In that way, Europe could be unified because Germany, France, and England would no longer chafe under the idea of a merging into a single state. That hypothetical state would be far more powerful and easy to organize than the three states are seperately...and severing the European ties to their ancestry was critical to that project, similar to what the usa managed to do with its 'melting pot' (albeit the usa failed to melt across races, which may be a miscalculation on kalergi's part).

Excuse me? We were never arguing about whether there were no gas chambers. I was simply informing you, because it is a fact, that the infrastructure for the gas chamber is no longer intact, if it still existed. That is what you disagreed with me over. So now you are going to have to show proof that the auschwitz gas chamber could literally still operate as a gas chamber in order to make a point.

So do you disagree with any of those comments I made? Officially, the allies had no knowledge of any holocaust until the Soviets 'liberated' the rest of poland. The Nuremberg trials is supposed to be where evidence was gathered and the nsdap was declared guilty. Certainly the new York times could have no way to report that in 1942, long before such things even took place...but that was supposed to mean that the new York times was running cover for the holocaust. Pretty silly, I would say. Anyway you still haven't found any citation of me saying what you insist I was saying. Interesting.

None of this stuff actually matters. In fact, any economist can argue that immigration actually is good for the economy because it increases the gdp. There is a positive correlation between population and gdp. And that gdp can then be taxed and the government can provide the services you are seeking. I personally find it more interesting that a project designed to radically and permanently alter the racial demographics of a country would indeed be considered genocide (by the un definition and by people with common sense). So why is that supposed to just be okay...or in fact celebrated...while people pretend that genocide is a bad thing? I don't understand that at all.

Please cite where I denied there were gas chambers.

My point is, exactly like I said, it is not true that no changes have been made to the story.

That's what I thought. Not sounding so smug anymore.

I'm not saying the copes don't exist, I'm saying they do exist. That was exactly what I was saying. Once again you are trying to disagree with my by agreeing with me. It is quite bizarre. But no, you are not correct when you say everything is shut down. They have in fact reduced the number they estimate were killed in gas chambers. Aushwitz was 4 million in 1980, now it is about 1 million.

It is irrelevant what I believe about that. I am simply reporting what I understand the official 'accepted' history is. To be honest, I never looked at this specific gas chamber and had no idea that this is apparently the only gas chamber which perhaps used to be a delousing chamber as well, which would explain the Prussian blue. I simply understood that gas chambers typically do not have that stain, which you apparently now accept as true because you heard the 'correct' authority say so. I was surprised to learn of this apparent exception, but it does nothing to refute my main point. My point was simply that the rooms currently called gas chambers have none of the infrastructure remaining that is necessary to identify them as gas chambers. This is, I understand, also accepted fact for all the mainstream scholars, and the explanation is that the infrastructure was destroyed. That is literally all I was saying, the historians all agree with me, and they disagree with you. They disagree that gas chambers need not be air tight, etc. That is all. You might suspect that I deny the holocaust because my tone is not reverent enough and I seem to know too much about the subject. That's fine, you can suspect that. But that is not the point I was ever making...I was simply reporting in good faith what I understand the 'accepted mainstream' historians have to say.

Really? You are going to tellme that there is still, for example, the mesh columns and the ventilation system in the aushwitz 'gas chamber'? By all means, show me. Cause as far as I know the historians all disagree with you.

And yet you are simply confirming my narrative, other than some cavailing over the time required...and I don't really care about that. But this is how the holocaust narrative works. People just make up stories like 'this is how it could have been possible'...and people can dream up whatever they like. The oy point I was making, which started this whole thread, is that none of the physical evidence remains. We don't have any physical evidence of any of the infrastructure you speak of. And this can be confirmed by holocaust affirming historians as well. And they say that it is because the germans destroyed it all. That is the only claim I was ever making, and that claim is confirmed by holocaust appreciations. So I don't understand what you are actually arguing here.

Again, I just said it wasn't a gas chamber because it has blue stains. You are welcome to scroll back and confirm that this is all I said. I have made no comments t on whether I believe whether the lack of blue stains in 'most' gas chambers disproves the hocaust narrative...I am just informing you that the fact is in fact part of the holocaust narrative and you clearly had idea about that. I did scoff at your suggestion that gad chambers don't need to be airtight, but that is the only relevant comment I made in that department. You are just losing the plot and hallucinating me saying things I didn't say. But since we are on the subject, let me inform you what is absolutely necessary for any 'gas chamber'. It needs to be airtight so that gas can actually be concentrated in the room and doesn't seem out, saving the prisoners and potentially killing the guards. This requirement is even more important if you are gassing 1500 people a day. There needs to be some actual delivery system to introduce gas into the room. Otherwise there won't be a gassing. There then needs to be a system to suck out that gas from the room, because the gas will just stay there and still be fatal for days. People then need to enter the room with hazmat suits and spray all the bodies with ammonia so they don't end up dying from moving the bodies to the crematorium. And according to the holocaust narrative, based on the size of the room and the number of jews killed, that entire process took about 20 minutes.

Lol...without fail people like you think you are mind readers and that you can totally read the hidden motivations behind people. And you are always wrong. The truth is that overall the Trump supporters are actually more anti racist than you. That is actually my issue with them. Because I am even less anti racist than you are.

No, I just said your picture wasn't a gas chamber. I am just trying to inform you what the official history is, I am not interested in discussing whether it is true or not. As this guy said, and now you seem to accept it, the gas chambers in general did not have Prussian blue stains. I was simply correct and you were wrong. The other guy cited some text Erich suggested 'maybe this room used to be a delousing chamber'...also supporting my claim. You are the one looking uninformed here, not me

These people need to work on making their copes logically consistent. It is literally suggesting in this text that zuklon b gas causes a blue stain. But if that is true, then there is an elephant in the room which is the auschwitz 'gas chambers. The speculation that 'thr build may have been shoddy' or 'they may have moved rooms around' is doing a lot of work here. Too much for ration people, in fact. If they were smart with their propaganda they should have entirely left out the part about zyklon b causing blue stains. They should have simply said it is possible for it to, and left it at that.

I read about that like 6 years ago. That was the thesis to the 'responses to garmer Rudolph's 'the chemistry of auschwitz'. However, I dont see why a response was necessary considering Rudolf was simply thrown in prison. It is not exactly an environment conducive to objective wciebtific research and that guy could be just making stuff up and dare any scientist to disagree, lol. Regardless,back to the point, I could simply tell from the photo that this was a delousong chamber and gas chambers do not look like that. Now you seem to agree? Why? Cause I posted words from some Jewish 'scientist' and you know you can trust them?

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333114699_Lack_of_Prussian_Blue_Staining_on_the_Walls_of_Gas_Chambers

Yeah, there isn't any in the gas chambers. Only the delousong chambers.

Oh I would never ignore the trillions of witnessess...I am just not aware that they are all currently in the gas chamber room.

I'm sorry, but this is a picture of a delousing chamber. The camps all did have delousing chambers and you can tell because if the Prussian blue on the wall caused by a reaction with the cyanide. The actual gas chamber does not have that

FYI, this is not a picture of the gas chamber, lol

You are not up to date on the delivery method. You need to read up. The method you are talking about is now obsolete and this is no longer the method that holocaust scholars affirm, on account of the fact that it wouldn't work and it would kill the guards. I know it is difficult to keep track of the 'real' holocaust story because it changes so much. But you really have to keep putting in the effort if you want to avoid being a denier.

Really? You mean that a military unit devoted to putting down resistance movements did in fact kill some people? Is that at all related to Hitler's commisar order? This is certainly the first time I ever heard of citizen political opponents being killed in ww2. Stalin would never do such a thing.

People who engineer gas chambers in the usa for capital punishment will be relieved to hear by your authority that there is no need for them to be air tight. It's amazing how much labor and expense is dedicated to that exact thing.