Hudson Jones

No one is holding their breath. The criminals in charge will do what they can to continue the status quo, as they did in Apartheid South Africa.

Couldn't agree with you more. It's a good thing that majority of Palestinians are engaging in peaceful protests and have almost completely moved away from terrorist tactics. Movements like the BDS which had a great effect on Apartheid South Africa and has become a strong force in the realization of justice for the Palestinians. Israel on the other hand, mostly under Bibi, has increased its terrorist policies. Israel's State Terrorism and bully tactics through its military and policies has isolated Israel in the international community and it is only a matter of time before the governments around the world will be forced to treat Israel as they did with Apartheid South Africa.

So what? You're still more likely to die from a car crash. Of course, the number of these terrorist attacks will rise slowly, as our adventures around the world continue. There are many lone wolves in North America, who have the potential to do attacks in North America. No amount of wars across the seas or the giving away of our rights and freedoms in North America will reduce the potential of attacks. They will only increase it.

From "Nazis" and "Japs" to "Communists" to "Terrorists" (aka Muslims). Those do exist, but the level of danger they pose to us in North America is not significant. Especially the latest bogeymen. There is always something out there to scare the Arguses and the Shadys to get their consent to do whatever they want. Unfortunately there are a lot of Arguses and Shadys, so it's difficult to battle these myths and make belief world. The only chance we have is to continue to use the power of information and technology to spread the truth and battle the misinformation.

Okay there Yosemite Sam

Good. I'm glad that you acknowledge Israel and Zionism was born from terrorism. Unfortunately, after they moved onto terrorizing civilians through the use of military weapons and have tried to cover this with the use of "self-defense". The Gaza collective punishment (whether economical or militarily) is a prime example of State Terrorism.

So nothing. Snowden did not reveal any specific secrets that could hurt the U.S. He just said that the U.S. government is spying on everyone, and it has been lying to everyone by saying otherwise. People like you, unfortunately, are nothing more than cheerleaders and enablers of fascism. On the other hand, Snowden is a hero.

Do you have an example of this?

So do you condemn the Zionst terrorist group Irgun and their terrorist actions or not?

First of all, mostly civilians were killed at the King David hotel. If you're trying to whitewash and excuse the bombing of the hotel by Irgun, a terrorist group, then I really don't think we have anything to talk about. You want to support terrorism, that's your decision. I don't have time for people like you. Also, I just gave you a LONG list of Irgun attacks where marketplaces and many other locations were bombed and civilians were killed. If you want to excuse those, consider this my last post to you.

That's great. jbg is here, excusing terrorists and terrorism, because, to him, Jews should receive special consideration. Here is a list of terrorist attacks by the terrorist group, Irgun: List of Irgun attacks 1937-1948 Date Casualties References 1937, March 2 Arabs killed on Bat Yam beach. [12] 1937, November 14 10 Arabs killed by Irgun units launching attacks around Jerusalem, ("Black Sunday") [13][14] 1938, April 12 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb in a train in Haifa. [14] 1938, April 17 1 Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in Haifa [14] 1938, May 17 1 Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in the Jerusalem-Hebron road. [14] 1938, May 24 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa. [14] 1938, June 23 2 Arabs were killed near Tel Aviv. [14] 1938, June 26 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa. [14] 1938, June 27 1 Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa. [14] 1938, June (late) Unspecified number of Arabs killed by a bomb that was thrown into a crowded Arab market place in Jerusalem. [15] 1938, July 5 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel Aviv. [14] 1938, July 5 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in Jerusalem. [14] 1938, July 5 1 Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem. [14] 1938, July 6 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs in the Arab melon market in Haifa. More than 60 people were wounded. [14][16][17] 1938, July 8 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem. [14] 1938, July 16 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jerusalem. [14] 1938, July 25 43 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. [14][18] 1938, August 26 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jaffa. [14] 1939, February 27 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24 by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem. [19] 1939, May 29 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex cinema in Jerusalem. [14] 1939, May 29 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the village of Biyar 'Adas. [14] 1939, June 2 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem. [14][20] 1939, June 12 1 British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs killed, during a post office in Jerusalem was bombing [14] 1939, June 16 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem. [14] 1939, June 19 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey at a marketplace in Haifa. [14][21] 1939, June 29 13 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks around Jaffa during a one-hour period. [14][22] 1939, June 30 1 Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem. [14] 1939, June 30 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta. [14] 1939, July 3 1 Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. [14][23] 1939, July 4 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem. [14] 1939, July 20 1 Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa. [14] 1939, July 20 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel Aviv. [14] 1939, July 20 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot. [14] 1939, August 27 2 British officers were killed by a mine in Jerusalem. [14] 1944, September 27 Unknown number of casualties, around 150 Irgun members attacked four British police stations [24] 1944, September 29 1 Senior British police officer of the Criminal Intelligence Department assassinated in Jerusalem. [24] 1945, November 1 5 locomotives destroyed in Lydda station. Two staff, one soldier and one policeman killed. [25] 1945, December 27 3 British policemen and 4 Sotho soldiers killed during the bombing of British CID headquarters in Jerusalem; 1 British soldier killed during attack of British army camp in north Tel Aviv [26][27] 1946, February 22 Destroyed 14 aeroplanes at 5 RAF stations. [28] 1946, July 22 91 people were killed at King David Hotel bombing mostly civilians, staff of the hotel or Secretariat, 41 Arabs, 15-28 British citizens, 17 Palestinian Jews, 2 Armenians, 1 Russian, 1 Greek and 1 Egyptian. [29][30][31] 1946, October 30 2 British guards killed during Gunfire and explosion at Jerusalem Railway Station. [32] 1946, October 31 Bombing of the British Embassy in Rome. Nearly half the building was destroyed and 3 people were injured. [33] 1947, January 12 4 killed in bombing of British headquarters. [34] 1947, March 1 17 British officers killed, during raid and explosion. [35] 1947, March 12 1 British soldier killed during the attack on Schneller Camp. [35] 1947, July 19 4 locations within Haifa are attacked, killing a British constable and injuring 12. [36] 1947, July 29 2 kidnapped British sergeants hanged. [37] 1947, September 26 4 British policemen killed in Irgun bank robbery. [34] 1947, September 29 13 killed, 53 wounded in attack on British police station. [34] 1947, December 11 13 killed in attack on Tireh, near Haifa [38] 1947, December 12 20 killed, 5 wounded by barrel bomb at Damascus Gate. [39] 1947, December 13 6 killed, 25 wounded by bombs outside Alhambra Cinema. [40] 1947, December 13 5 killed, 47 wounded by two bombs at Damascus Gate. [40] 1947, December 13 7 killed, 10 seriously injured in attack on al-'Abbasiyya. [40] 1947, December 16(ca) 10 killed by bomb at Noga Cinema in Jaffa. [41] 1947, December 29 14 Arabs killed by bomb in Jerusalem. [34][42] 1947, December 30 6 Arabs killed and, 42 injured by grenades at Haifa refinery, precipitating the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre, which lead to the Balad al-Shaykh massacre. [43] 1948, January 1 2 Arabs killed and 9 injured by shooting attack on cafe in Jaffa. [44] 1948, January 5 14 Arabs killed and 19 injured by truck bomb outside the 3-storey 'Serrani', Jaffa's built Ottoman Town Hall [45] 1948, January 7 20 Arabs killed by bomb at Jaffa Gate. [46][47] 1948, February 10 7 Arabs killed near Ras el Ain after selling cows in Tel Aviv [48] 1948, February 18 12 Arabs killed and 43 wounded at a marketplace in Ramla [49] 1948, March 1 20 Britons killed and 30 wounded in the Bevingrad Officers Club bombing [50] 1948, April 9-April 11 107-120 Arabs killed and massacred (the estimate generally accepted by scholars, instead the first announced number of 254) during and after the battle at the village of Deir Yassinnear Jerusalem, by 132 Irgun and 60 Lehi fighters. [51][52][53][54][55] 1948, April 6 7 British soldiers, including Commanding Officer, killed during an arms raid on Pardes Hanna Army camp.

Do you really think that C51 only effects terrorists?

Does this mean you're against C51?

You have failed to engage in a debate. Instead, you're nothing but Foxnews soundbites. "Push into the sea".."Crazy Imam".. "Blow themselves up".. "mosque you're obviously attending".. You're nothing but a scared little child who can't stop thinking about the scary stories you keep listening to. No amount of reasoning is going to change that, until you're able to be mature enough to understand that monsters don't live under your bed, or inside your closet. Until then, you'll be running into your parents' bed to keep you safe from the monsters in your room.

The genocidal maniac Ayelet Shaked who called for the destruction of “the entire Palestinian people, including its elderly and its women, its cities and its villages, its property and its infrastructure" has just been appointed as Justice Minister by Netanyahu - in an oped for the New York Times yesterday Henry Siegman, a former head of the American Jewish Congress cites Shaked's infamy as one evidence that President Obama and the world at large should "Give Up on Netanyahu, Go to the United Nation" in yet another futile effort to continue to salvage the two state delusion - Ayelet Shaked, Naftali Bennett, Benjamin Netanyahu et al now rule Israel, define Zionism for what it is, and have no intention but to steal the rest of Palestine - their only problem is that the Palestinian people and their defiant will to their national self determination are stuck in their throat: Give Up on Netanyahu, Go to the United Nations

The apologists either try to minimize or take attention away from Israel's atrocities by asking why no one is up in arms for what Congo (or some other country with terrible human rights) does or they pull out the Forever Victim card. Of course, they also try to shut down criticism by accusing people of being anti-semites. It's always cute when one of the most bigoted posters on this forum, Argus, accuses others of racism. Israel is the rapist and has always been the rapist. Less and less people buy this forever victim b.s. any more. It doesn't matter how much you repeat it. Here are some facts: Israeli soldiers are coming forward and are sharing with the world what Israel's army did to the real victims, the Palestinians in the last Gaza attack. You can keep commenting, but reality and facts will continue to show that majority of what you say is incorrect.

It never fails. It's quite telling when all these unconditional supporters of Israel try to defend Israel's actions by using the argument that Israel is not as bad as [insert country with terrible human rights record] It's like a rapist in court trying to use the defense that it's okay with what they have done because there are worse rapists out there.

Lauryn Hill and a number of other artists have canceled their concerts in Israel to show support for the BDS movement. Does that mean that they'd be prosecuted if they came to Canada? What about Stephen Hawking who has boycotted Israel? Would he be arrested? How about United Church of Canada, Canadian Quakers, the Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE), various university groups and Independent Jewish Voices who support boycotting Israel and the BDS movement?

Principle? The principle that he unconditionally supports a country that continuously violates human rights? Time to dump a party that has such a principle.

In the U.S., you can see the millions of dollars from Zionist/Israeli lobby groups and billionaires such as Sheldon Adelson, flowing into elections. But what about in Canada? What is the motivation of the Harper government to be so blatantly pro-Zionist to go as far as trying to ban the freedom to boycott? Is it religious (rapture)? Is it financial? Is it something something else?

Here is a chance for you to learn something - The Muslims, Christians and Jews in Palestine, lived in peace before the mass Zionist immigration and the colonialist project: Here is what an Israeli has to say about this - Again, listen very carefully, you might learn something:

The Jews lived in peace and equality before the mass Zionist migration from Europe into Palestine.

This article is probably one of the most sober indicators that Israel has no future as a democratic country. Amazingly written by a right wing extremist complaining about other right wing extremists. The fascist force of revisionist Zionism, clear from its inception, is becoming more and more of a common teenage reality, and eventually it will drive out moderate Jews, in addition to all Palestinians. There is no one to stop this process in global geopolitics today. This is something only Jews themselves could reverse, but there is no awakening. There are all kinds of democracies and constitutional monarchies that work well. There is no compromise when it comes to human rights, however. Either everyone is equal before the law, or the law dies.

Why? I caught the sarcasm showing people's contradiction and inconsistent standards. Apparently you didn't.

Israel now has its most extreme, anti-peace government in history. That it came to power via democratic elections should give us pause.