BeaverFever

First of all Danielle Smith confirms what we all knew, PP “is very much in sync ” with Trump policies and PP totally ripped off Trump’s “America first” slogan He also likes trump-style populist politics, indulges conspiracy theories, insults and name calling Second of all even if it was a lie as you said thats just standard fare political sparring not in any way justifying or similar to your vulgar bumper sticker

Well I see the conservatives have their “f-ck Carney” bumper stickers out already, that oughta turn things around for them. So I guess the public displays of vulgarity and vileness weren’t just a one-time extraordinary exception due to Trudeau after all, “f-ck (insert liberal name)” is now a fixture of conservative culture. I have 2 young kids they are old enough to read these things and ask questions. I have to explain that just because you disagree with someones ideas it’s no excuse to be so vulgar and uncivil but some adults aren’t able to behave like adults.

No I clearly said I post only the relevant parts You are the one who admitted you don’t read and you’ve just demonstrated it again with your response above. . Nice try

Nah the MAGAs don’t click the link so I repost the relevant parts

No you’re just a brainwashed cultist living in a false reality worshipping a pathological liar and sociopath The koolaid you drink isn’t medicine

Meanwhile back at clown headquarters even the Mad King’s advisors have no idea what Dictator On Day One will decree on his “liberation day” Trump officials, allies grow anxious about April 2 tariffs The president continues to throw curveballs at businesses — and even his own team. Just days out from Trump’s April 2 announcement of global tariffs, which he has hailed as “Liberation Day,” even those closest to the president — from Vice President JD Vance to his chief of staff Susie Wiles and his own Cabinet officials — have privately indicated that they’re unsure exactly what the boss will do, according to three people who have spoken with them. While some details of the administration’s plan for what Trump has dubbed “reciprocal tariffs” on global trading partners are starting to trickle out, the president has at times upended them or floated contradictory policies that are keeping everyone — even his inner circle — guessing. “No one knows what the f-ck is going on,” said one White House ally close to Trump’s inner circle, granted anonymity to speak freely. “What are they going to tariff? Who are they gonna tariff and at what rates? Like, the very basic questions haven’t been answered yet.” Indeed, while the White House is projecting confidence publicly, multiple administration officials, as well as top allies on the outside, are privately concerned that next week’s roll-out could be as rocky as when he imposed tariffs on Canada, Mexico and China on March 4, worsening a rout on stocks that began in mid-February. Though the S&P 500 has since regained some ground, all of its previous gains since Election Day have been erased. Part of that is because Trump continues to threaten to plow ahead with an expansive tariff rollout, siding with the trade protectionists in his administration despite warnings from other advisers of the negative economic impacts. Inflation rose at a higher-than-expected rate last month, the Commerce Department disclosed on Friday, even before the potential onslaught of higher prices from the sweeping tariffs. But it’s also because the president continues to throw curveballs at businesses — and even his own team. Case in point: Wednesday’s decision to slap the auto industry with 25 percent tariffs. While expected in some fashion in the near future, the announcement came together so last minute that the White House wasn’t fully prepared and had to delay afternoon programming as they sought to finalize the plan, according to two people familiar with the roll-out. The White House also didn’t brief industry stakeholders in the U.S. or abroad beforehand — though a White House official argued that if they were “smart” they would have known it was coming, since Trump himself issued a public warning. Part of the uncertainty stems from the president seeming to undermine his own team at times. After Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent and Trump economic adviser Kevin Hassett said in recent weeks that only about 10 or 15 countries — or the “dirty 15,” as Bessent put it — would face reciprocal tariffs, Trump said Wednesday that actually every country will be hit with a tariff. The president similarly undercut Lutnick earlier this month, after the Commerce secretary suggested Canada and Mexico might avoid the full 25 percent Trump had threatened over border security and fentanyl — though two people close to the president said Lutnick was freelancing and has since been told to stay on message. Trump went ahead and slapped that duty on the two North American neighbors on March 4, but then paused much of it a day later and exempted certain goods — a rollercoaster of announcements that left many businesses and investors unsure about how the new tariffs would work. Indeed, Trump has continued to shift the scope, targets and timeline of his tariffs at a whiplash-inducing pace. The duties he promised, pre-inauguration, to levy on Canada and Mexico his first day in office shifted to Feb. 1, then Feb. 4, then March 4, before being largely rolled back until April 2. There is little clarity about what parts of those tariffs — which could hit more than $1 trillion worth of trade — will go into effect next week. …. Needless to say, the president’s shifting desires have made it difficult to plan, as Cabinet officials have indicated in private. In recent days, Lutnick told U.S. trading partners seeking clarity that he would try to give them a heads up the day before April 2, telling them that the details are too fluid at the moment to preview. Bessent has also admitted to people that the final tariff regime remains a moving target, according to a person who has spoken to him. The internal uncertainty also stems in part from an ongoing administration divide on the tariff strategy and the tug of war to influence Trump in recent weeks. All of the president’s aides have vociferously defended his tariff drive, which has at times surprised Wall Street. But there are still differences of opinion over approach; Bessent, Wiles and even Vance — who has aspirations to run for president himself in 2028 — have been pushing for either a narrower tariffs regime, or for the president to make final decisions quickly and in an orderly way so that businesses can plan. On the other hand, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick and Navarro are said to be encouraging Trump’s long-standing tariff fixation. The divisions have caused tensions. While Navarro is a genuine tariff believer, Lutnick — who has a close relationship with Trump and enjoys influence that others in the Cabinet do not, as of yet — is widely seen as supporting whatever Trump wants to ingratiate himself with the president, a dynamic that has infuriated others in the administration. “He goes into the Oval and tells the president whatever he wants to hear,” said the first White House ally, who called Lutnick a “f-cking nightmare” and argued he does so without consideration of the economic consequences. Over the past few weeks, the more tariff-cautious faction in the administration has tried gently to pull Trump back from blanket, indiscriminate tariffs. … https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/29/trump-aides-tariffs-liberation-day-fears-00259081

🙄spare me the phoney moral grandstanding The report proves that it is true because it doesn’t even bother to mention Canada. 43 lbs. thats a child’s backpack worth. Out of the 21 tons that comes from Mexico or directly to the USA. AND as the OP says even the 43 lbs may be overstated I pasted this statement into chatgpt, here’s what it said: The statement “There are massive fentanyl labs in operation in Canada, a number have been busted and they’re HUGE, way more than would be of use for our market.” is a partial exaggeration with some truth to it. What’s Exaggerated or Misleading: 1. “Massive fentanyl labs” are not widespread in Canada – Compared to Mexico, where industrial-scale fentanyl production is common, Canada does not have a large number of these “massive” labs. The number of significant busts remains relatively small. 2. Most fentanyl in Canada is imported, not produced locally – While some labs exist, Canada is not a major fentanyl manufacturer in the way Mexico is. Instead, fentanyl is often imported from China or Mexico and then processed or mixed in Canada. 3. “Way more than would be of use for our market” is not fully supported – While some labs may produce excess amounts, the scale is nowhere near Mexico’s industrial operations, which supply most of the fentanyl in North America. Final Verdict: • Partially true: There have been large fentanyl labs busted in Canada, and some may produce more than domestic demand. • Exaggerated: Canada does not have a widespread issue with “massive” fentanyl labs compared to Mexico, and most fentanyl in Canada is imported, not produced.

The amount of fentanyl heading south is virtually zero, period. The amount is trivial

I remembered what you were talking about so I already revised my response

Well there are 2 sides to the story so it just comes down to who is more credible. Spoiler alert: it’s not the MAGAs

Trump Devotion Syndrome

Alberta doesn’t “fork over” any money to Quebec that’s a conservative lie.

🙄 1) Political satire is not “election interference” 2) Who is “The far left in the states”? 3) Trudeau has often been a target if not the most common target

Yeah but that’s the stupid celebrity and social media obsessed age demographic that doesn’t know shit about the world and only cares about partying and shopping and self-gratification and following whatever stupid trend is going viral, and that commits most of society’s crime. I bet you could dissect that data further and find that even within that group support for joining US goes down the older they get

…With U.S. President Donald Trump threatening to tariff Canada into submission as the “51st state,” 92 per cent of Americans surveyed by the Angus Reid Institute said they had no, or only qualified, support for a merger. Sixty per cent of 2,005 Americans questioned online between Feb. 27 and March 3, 2025, said they had no interest in Canada joining the United States, while another 32 per cent said they would support the idea only if Canadians wanted it. Canadians polled at the same time came in exactly as they had in a previous poll conducted in January 2025: of 2,005 surveyed, a solid 90 per cent rejected the idea of Canada joining the U.S., with 10 per cent saying yes. The findings are considered accurate to within two percentage points either way, 19 times out of 20. Just six per cent of the Americans polled said the U.S. should annex Canada using political and economic pressure, while two per cent supported the idea of using military force to do the job. The data also suggests Trump is out of step with his own voters on the issue: 44 per cent of Trump voters said they weren’t interested in Canada joining the United States at all, while another 42 per cent said they would only want Canada to join the U.S. if Canadians wanted to (Democratic voters polled 77/21). Twelve per cent of Trumpers said they supported applying political and economic pressure to bring Canada in, while two per cent advocated military force. The breakdown by Canadian party affiliations showed 21 per cent of Conservative respondents said yes to a merger with the U.S., while 99 per cent of Bloc Quebecois, 98 per cent of Liberal, and 97 per cent of New Democratic Party supporters said no. The percentage of Conservatives who said they would support a merger rose to 33 per cent when presented with the prospect of a Liberal majority government in Ottawa after the April 28 federal election. …. https://legionmagazine.com/overwhelming-majority-of-americans-oppose-51st-state-talk/

Of course what she did was wrong. But she’s a nobody. You can’t say what Trump did was wrong

Canada not mentioned in U.S. threat assessment’s summary of fentanyl crisis Fentanyl from Canada was not mentioned in a report released Tuesday outlining what the U.S. intelligence community considers the most serious foreign threats to the United States, despite President Donald Trump claiming that illicit drugs coming through the northern border are “an unusual and extraordinary threat.” The Trump administration has linked its punishing tariffs on Canada to Ottawa’s inability to stop the flow of fentanyl, which it says has risen massively in recent years. However, previous reporting from The Globe has found that the White House is using misleading data about drug seizures and their links to Canada. …Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence, presented the report’s findings during the scheduled Senate intelligence committee hearing on Tuesday. During the hearing, Democratic Senator Martin Heinrich of New Mexico pressed Ms. Gabbard about Canada’s omission from the report and said he was surprised the country was not mentioned given Mr. Trump’s rhetoric. Ms. Gabbard said the focus of the ATA is on the “most extreme threats,” and its assessment is that the most extreme threat is “from and through Mexico.” When asked for comment on Tuesday, the White House referred the request to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which said it had nothing to share beyond what was in the report. Citing U.S. Customs and Border Protection data, the White House has previously asserted that 43 pounds of fentanyl was intercepted at the northern border last fiscal year, marking a “massive 2,050 per cent increase” compared with the year prior, when two pounds of the deadly synthetic drug was seized. However, as Globe analysis of the border agency’s figures found, the dataset does not reveal the origin of the drugs and U.S. border agents confirmed that the methodology used for attributing seizures to the northern border doesn’t hinge on whether the fentanyl was intercepted at the border or whether it came from Canada. It could have been seized hundreds of kilometres inland, and it may have no ties to Canada whatsoever. …. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-canada-not-mentioned-in-us-threat-assessments-summary-of-fentanyl/?login=true

The difference being Trump is your god and cult leader who you can’t live or breathe without and spend all day revering and defending while this is some random politician 90% of the public has never heard of.

This thread could have been titled “But her emails”

Suuuuure…it was top secret military information regarding an active combat mission but Hegspeth had a level 5 meltdown into a unhinged foaming at the mouth tirade about fake news conspiracies because he thinks the wrong technical term was used. He doesn’t care about strict laws and protocols about sharing the highest level of military secrets he’ll go apeshit ballistic over proper technical terminology LMAO do you really believe that?

Those so-called “lies” are not even close terms of scale or frequency or obviousness compared to huge and tiny lies MAGAs tell dozens of times a day

How iut of touch are you? White House already admitted it was true

Unless you’re storming the Capitol building on Jan 6, plotting to kidnap a governor or spray painting words like “C-NT” on some politicians office. Or marching through the streets with tiki torches chanting “jews will not replace us”. Or mobbing LGBTQ picnics and Drag Queen Story Time events Then it’s “very fine people” exercising free speech.

But it’s bigger than that because they should not be discussing and sharing these documents on a commercial app in the first place. There are very strict rules about this stuff. Unfortunately Trump has appointed people who are so grossly unqualified for the job not only do they not know or care about the rules they have open contempt for the very idea of rules… at least for rules applying to them. This attitude is part of MAGA culture.