BeaverFever

Anyone who’s into history should read about the end of the Roman Republic, and its descent into dictatorship and autocratic empire. The similarities with the decline of democracy in the US are striking. “The Storm before the Storm” by historian Mike Duncan does a great and entertaining job: The triumph over Carthage and further victories in Greece in the 2nd century BC brought almost unimaginable loads of wealth into Rome. We are talking literally hundreds of thousands of pounds of gold, silver and other bounty. Rome also became a major hub of trade and commerce in the Mediterranean. But this wealth was concentrated in the hands of the Roman elite. So though there had always been rich and poor in Rome, the rich were now way richer than they were even a few generations before. The wealthy elites naturally go looking for places to invest that wealth, of which there are two great outlets: land and slaves. Lower-class citizen-farmers were unable to compete with the growing commercial estates of their richer neighbors, so these poorer Romans began losing their farms and entered a labor market simultaneously flush with hundreds of thousands of new slaves from all over the world. The tension that was created as the rich got richer and the poor got poorer — and those poor felt exploited and ignored by the political elite — led to an opening for a new “populare” path to political power for ambitious nobles looking to exploit all the resentful energy that was now circulating. The core problem was that it created a far more confrontational style of politics, because it was not just that popular grievances were leading some leaders to try to channel it. It was also that the rest of the senatorial elite fought tooth and nail to prevent even limited and fairly reasonable reform. The popular desire for reform was met by intransigent resistance from the elite, so both sides started maneuvering beyond previously accepted norms to win the battle. The elites were naturally skeptical of change, but their resistance to “populare” demands was driven by the balance of power inside the Senate, not principle. If your political rival is pursuing popular land redistribution or offering subsidized grain, you can't let the bill pass because your rival would gain popularity, power and influence. So they were intensely focused on denying each other political “wins,” and as a result they mutually shut down even reasonable reforms they possibly all agreed to in theory. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/10/30/how-the-republic-starts-to-fall/%3foutputType=amp Aside from the obvious similarities of massive inequality, toxic partisanship and growing populist rage, you have similar backdrop: Rome Defeating Carthage = US Winning Cold War Slaves and imports stealing jobs = modern automation, outsourcing Giant estates vs family farms = corporations vs family businesses

You’re the only one who calls me that to try and deflect from the fact that I consistently tear down your crackpot conspiracy theories, remind you of your failed predictions and dismantle all your garbage propoganda claims. Remember that time it took you five pages to figure out the news story you started a thread about was several years old? Or the time you said wealth was the result of superior genetics and rich people are simply generically superior to everyone else? Or that slavery was actually quite comfortable for black people and there were just as many white slaves as black slaves? It’s been fun going down memory lane with you but I it’s quite clear that the king of wrong is a crown you’ll never lose.

So the TL;DR version of this theory is that Republicans’ real aim is to have several states completely disqualified from the election altogether by preventing them from certifying their results by the required deadline. Then neither candidate can achieve the necessary 270 electoral college votes and therefore under the constitution the entire election is nullified and a Republican-dominated congress would get to choose the winner, i.e. Trump So to be clear: Political elites and their lawyers, through novel and disputed legal arguments nullifying the results of the election with largest voter turnout in history.....so that other political elites in the national capital (most of whom are multimillionaires) can install the leader of their choosing (a billionaire) instead of the American people. This is the “party of the people” and “party of freedom”. ? Why not just proclaim Trump dictator foe life and outlaw all other political parties already, we know where this is heading.

As in you’re wrong all the time and still wrong And nobody said pretend that fraud doesn’t exist that is YOUR lie. Its not our problem that some brainwashed and feeble minds on the right can’t understand that when over 150 million people voted, a handful of fraudulent votes that ALWAYS occurs doesn’t change the outcome. And then these feeble minds think that means people are saying “fraud is nothing to worry about. Pretend you don't see it. In other words, it doesn't exist.” Also Tucker conveniently doesn’t mention who these dead people allegedly voted for. He’s already had to apologize for his mistakes in this report and smearing a widows dead husband he’s not exactly trustworthy. He’s just another right wing fake news propagandist

Man featured at Giuliani press conference is a convicted sex offender By MATT FRIEDMAN 11/09/2020 09:28 AM EST Updated 11/09/2020 11:30 AM EST The first person Rudy Giuliani, the attorney for President Donald Trump, called up as a witness to baseless allegations of vote counting shenanigans in Philadelphia during a press conference last week is a sex offender who for years has been a perennial candidate in New Jersey. “It’s such a shame. This is a democracy,” Daryl Brooks, who said he was a GOP poll watcher, said at the press conference, held at Four Seasons Total Landscaping in Northeast Philadelphia. “They did not allow us to see anything. Was it corrupt or not? But give us an opportunity as poll watchers to view all the documents — all of the ballots.” Trenton political insiders watched with bemusement as Brooks took the podium. Brooks was incarcerated in the 1990s on charges of sexual assault, lewdness and endangering the welfare of a minor for exposing himself to two girls ages 7 and 11, according to news accounts. Brooks has run for various offices, including U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives. “I started watching it and all of a sudden I was like, ‘there’s New Jersey’s perennial candidate claiming to live in Philadelphia and Giuliani claiming him to be a poll watcher and Philadelphia resident," Trenton Mayor Reed Gusciora said in a phone interview. James Gee, chief of staff to U.S. Rep. Bonnie Watson Coleman (D-N.J.), also said he immediately recognized Brooks. “Yeah, I know Daryl. It’s so fitting that he would be there,” Gee said. https://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2020/11/09/man-featured-at-giuliani-press-conference-is-a-sex-offender-1335241 ? Republicans and the fine company they keep. Clearly the real fraud is the bullshit fake allegations from the loser Trump’s deluded cult followers.

Wrong again. Nobody has ever said there is zero fraud, you’re being dishonest. What you’re failing to understand is that EVERY election in history has isolated incidents of fraud which are not consequential to the outcome because it would take hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes conducted in an organized and coordinated manner to sway the outcome and it’s not plausible to believe that’s happening

But your whole phony ‘election fraud’ argument is based on : ‘ if there’s even one minor potential discrepancy there must be many more, which calls the whole result in question’ And then you’re like: “oh Republicans only made one false accusation mistake, lets not think anything more of it and let’s just assume all their other unsubstantiated accusations will someday be proven.

Why not both live and online like he did when made the false accusation? Voting irregularities occur in every election, there was nothing unusual about this year. And Its not a matter of doing right thing it’s a matter of not getting your ass sued when make false accusations.

Hey gosh Fiddle I wonder why Tucker took your little video down? Tucker Carlson issues on-air apology over Georgia voter claims Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Friday apologized to viewers after a local Georgia news outlet pointed out that he had made a false claim about a dead individual illegally voting in the state. On a Thursday evening segment of "Tucker Carlson Tonight," the host claimed that someone had cast a ballot on behalf of James Blalock of Covington, Ga., who died in 2006. .,,However, Newton County officials said in a statement Thursday that Blalock did not vote and that the record found by the Trump campaign referred to a vote cast by Blalock's widow, registered under his name as "Mrs. James E. Blalock, Jr." "Her voter registration was signed as Mrs. James E. Blalock, Jr. and that is exactly how she signed her name when she voted in the Nov. 3 general election," read the statement shared on Facebook. 11Alive, NBC's Atlanta affiliate station, called out Carlson for repeating the claim after it was disputed by county officials. The outlet also confirmed the news with the widow herself, Agnes Blalock. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/media/525980-tucker-carlson-issues-on-air-apology-over-georgia-voter-claims%3famp ...But he didn’t post his apology video online did he? Why do you think that is? You guys get played for chumps daily

Yep, you’re lost

I think you’ve strayed off topic and gotten lost. You’re going in circles. Yes, the US is important to Canada, moreso than the other way around. And my daddy can beat up your daddy. SO WHAT

Protests are occur when people feel that the law and order has failed them. Who gets to decide which causes are reasonable and when the government is being unreasonable? Clearly it can’t be the government itself.

So? That’s not what we’re talking about. Doesn’t work with me, I don’t care in the slightest. Yeah a monkey with a live hand grenade “matters more” than other people in the room too but ultimately it’s an irrelevant point.

And your life has been ruined forever as a result? There’s no point getting triggered over stuff like this that doesn’t really affect you. I don’t necessarily agree with all their tactics nor do I need to delve more into the details of every specific event that triggers a protest but protests are a symptom of a system that’s lost the trust of the people involved, and in the case of FN and many minority groups, never earned their trust to begin with.

He was rejected by the voters, the majority chose to to mote give him a second term and many on the right decided they would rather vote for someone else rather than give him a second term. I don’t why you keep repeating this “America is more important to the world than Canada” schtick, youre not getting a lot of mileage out of it. Nobody cares. It’s just not a relevant point to make. Nazi Germany, China and Russia are or were “more important to the world” than Canada too, doesn’t make them better countries.

I didn’t say the organization went away but their mass protests did

I don’t know that’s true. The recent protests in Canada were relatively peaceful and short lived despite governments taking a light touch. Compare that with the government’s heavy-handed response to the initially peaceful Oka blockade which then spiralled out of control to fill blown Crisis and armed standoff.

It’s a brief and minor footnote to the economy. And only under Trump did the BLM protests get mismanaged and blown up into a national shitshow. Trump couldn’t handle them but under Obama they came and went He tried but failed failed to get re-elected because he was rejected by the voters. Period He’s only held in high regard relative to the disastrous Republicans that followed him: the reign of his son that plunged the US into 2 never-ending wars and total economic collapse of America, and the dumpster fire of the one-term Trump presidency

The fact that protests blew up out of control under Trump but were ultimately brief and insignificant here even with brief rail blockades is proof enough of who was on the right side of history. One-term ex-presidents (like Trump) are failures. That’s a fact.

........Said the now defunct and bankrupt Trump University that is buried in lawsuits from students

Pennies on the dollar compared to the US. Don’t try to equivocate. Trump is just another U.S. Ex-president...get over it.

Perhaps you missed it

No we didn’t get a “very good dose”. Our cities didn’t burn and the protests were both peaceful and relatively shot lived

And yet none of the Trumpsters will take me up on a fun, friendly non-monetary wager

Lawsuits roundup as of nov 13: An appeals court in Pennsylvania rejected an objection by Trump’s lawyers to practices involving mailed ballots; A Michigan judge threw out claims made by the campaign as “incorrect and not credible.” In a case in Arizona, where Democrat Joe Biden holds a slender lead over Trump, the president’s lawyers admitted the judge no longer needed to weigh in because, “the tabulation of votes statewide has rendered unnecessary a judicial ruling as to the presidential electors.” In a case in Arizona, where Democrat Joe Biden holds a slender lead over Trump, the president’s lawyers admitted the judge no longer needed to weigh in because, “the tabulation of votes statewide has rendered unnecessary a judicial ruling as to the presidential electors.” In Pennsylvania on Thursday, a judge ordered that the state could not count ballots that had been set aside because they’d been cast under a policy changing the relevant deadline. However, the number of ballots isn’t sufficient to change the outcome of the election. Overall the legal campaign does not appear to be making headway in its manifold attempts to contest the result in federal court and the courts of key states. It’s encountering other headwinds as well, including the withdrawal of law firms that had been engaged to take on the cases. Trump and advocates have made broad claims about what they call fraud or impropriety in the election — ones rejected by the nation’s relevant officials — but attorneys are more sensitive about what they’re willing to state before a judge in court, frequently conceding they did not have any evidence. “When you don’t know the facts and you don’t have the law and you don’t have a remedy, you’ve really got nothing to go on in court,” said University of Kentucky law professor Joshua Douglas. https://www.witf.org