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America under President Trump
BeaverFever replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
Crying “media conspiracy” whenever the facts don’t support your bullshit is so pathetic. You don’t even try to dispute or debate the many objective facts cited in the article. -
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BeaverFever replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
He’s a well-known pro-Trump QAnon nut and I didn’t see anything in your link to suggest otherwise -
Democracy Falters in the US
BeaverFever replied to ReeferMadness's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
So tell me what exactly did Trump do that wasn’t already being done?Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Oh wait here’s an expert analysis Taking territory In this map, light green territory was taken back from the Islamic State group under the Obama administration; dark green territory was taken back under the Trump administration. https://mappingisis.com/maps/ In 2014, the Obama administration launched a military campaign called Operation Inherent Resolve to use U.S. and allied troops and provide aid to other groups to fight the Islamic State group. Military, government and outside analysts agree that the campaign was successful on all fronts before Trump took office in January 2017. For instance, the U.S. envoy to the international anti-ISIS coalition testified in June 2016 – seven months before Trump became president – that the Islamic State “has lost 47% of its territory in Iraq, and 20% in Syria.” The 72-nation coalition stated “by November 2016 Islamic State had lost 62% of its mid-2014 ‘peak’ territory in Iraq, and 30% in Syria.” And the British think tank IHS Markit reported that by the final months of Obama’s presidency, Islamic State territory in Iraq had shrunk from 40% of the country to just 10%. Pentagon and State Department maps further demonstrate that in the two and half years the war was fought under Obama, the Islamic State lost its only international border (with Turkey) and vast swaths of territory. They clearly show that approximately half of the Islamic State’s territory had been liberated by the time Obama left office. A Pentagon map of progress against the Islamic State by October 2016 shows the group had already lost the territory marked in green.U.S. Department of Defense via U.S. Institute of Peace In this U.S. State Department map dated December 2017, light green shows the area the Obama administration took from the Islamic State. Dark green is the area the Trump administration took in its first year in office. Red areas were still under IS control in late December 2017.U.S. State Department Under the Obama administration, the Islamic State was driven out of most of Iraq.Brian Glynn Williams/MappingISIS.com, CC BY-ND Killing IS fighters The Islamic State group also lost large numbers of fighters under Obama. In December 2016, a month before Obama’s term ended, CNN reported that the Pentagon said it had killed 50,000 militants in airstrikes since 2014, leaving no more than 15,000 Islamic State fighters to defend their collapsing state. Just weeks after Obama left the White House, Gen. Raymond Thomas, head of U.S. Special Operations Command, told a symposium in Maryland, “We have killed over 60,000 [ISIS members].” In addition to losing territory and fighters under Obama, the Islamic State lost most of its oil-producing capacityin 2015, as a result of a massive bombing campaign known as Tidal Wave II, which drastically limited the group’s ability to fund its operations. https://theconversation.com/who-really-defeated-the-islamic-state-obama-or-trump-148066- 255 replies
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BeaverFever replied to ReeferMadness's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
Trump is an idiot his false claims have been debunked and rejected by every authority including Trump appointees who have e protected amd promoted this scumbag for 4 years and would have zero reason to lie. The shrinking circle of Republicans willing to support him says it all. Anyone who continues to believe these obviously fake and ridiculous fraud claims is just a brainwashed follower and that’s a fact because when you choose to believe that Trumps word alone is infallible and the entire world must be wrong that’s all you are. No not it’s not different at protests rally only a brainwashed retard would think otherwise.... and as I fucking told you Eric trump used the word “MARCH” anyways. DIDYOU HEAR THAT? ERIC TRUMP SAID “MARCH”TO THE CAPITAL...not that it makes any difference Of course he was he was Republican. We agree on something! No he didn’t . The power vacuum that everyone knew would lead to trouble was created when Saddam Hussein was removed from office.- 255 replies
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BeaverFever replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
I call tue bullshit. Where is the photo? And how do you know he wasn’t there trolling them or for false flag rioting to male BLM look bad like Umbrella Man? -
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BeaverFever replied to ReeferMadness's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
Like I said before the morons who set the house on fire in the first place don’t get to play Monday morning quarterback and criticize the people who had to respond to it. Iraq was already a 6-year colossal disaster under Bush. Even if Bush found a magic wand on his last day in office and won the whole conflict that day his fraudulent war waged under false pretences would still go down as one of history’s greatest crimes and blunders. Remember in 2003 he promised the “liberation” would last only a few months at most would wouldn’t have many casualties. The war wasn’t under control and there was no “trajectory to victory” not that it would matter at that point anyway You keep side-stepping the fact that ISIS is the result of Bush’s invasion while continually failing to point to anything that Trump did to end it. He just happened to be president when an already declining ISIS finally ran out of steam is all.- 255 replies
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BeaverFever replied to ReeferMadness's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
LMAO there you are lying gaslighting again. So now Trump was just innocently repeating the fraud claims because he heard some other people making them! ?? It’s a lie HE STARTED and he even promised to tell months before the election even started. And he continued to tell it and attack the character of even his own people after the bs claims were debunked and dismissed and then he tried to pressure all kinds ofstate and federal officials to just declare him the winner anyway. He said HE knew for a fact he won by millions of votes nationwide which is not something that would be in any local poll worker’s affidavit. You Lying liars jusr can’t stop lying. Last I checked nobody’s been found guilty of libel or slander, unlike all the guilty crooks uncovered and convicted in Trump camp. And Trumps impeachment failed because the Republican senate protected him saying that all of a sudden you cannot impeach a president for minor crimes like obstruction of Justice. I guess getting a blowjob is a major crime to all those pearl-clutching conservatives Same thing moron, nice try. Also just to be clear Eric Trump also spoke to the crowd and said “Have some backbone. Show some fight. Learn from Donald Trump and we need to MARCH on the Capitol today.” Giuliani also told them to do “trial by combat” and Trump also said fight like hell” and “Have some backbone. Show some fight. ” and This is all nonsense including your continued reference to this magic video which did absolutely nothing. More right wing alternate reality. It’s like you never heard of the Magnitsky act which Trump tried to trade away in exchange for diet on Clinton or all the powers struggles to influence the Ukraine or the unprecedented Russian cyberattacks on the US government that just happened in recent months which to nobody’s surprise Trump tried to pin on everyone EXCEPT Russia despite all expert analysis to the contrary. Or you don’t recall the absolute ball-washing and tongue bath Trump gave Putin in Helsinki denigrating his own US intelligence service while saying he believes a Putin over them and praising Putin as being “very powerful”. Intelligent people understand words. Idiots only want a picture you can’t understand or put in context. So here you go dummy- 255 replies
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BeaverFever replied to ReeferMadness's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
That’s a total lie. Supporting peaceful protest and condemning violence isn’t the same as supporting violence Funny how the right-tards only understand that when their people are the ones committing the riots- 255 replies
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BeaverFever replied to ReeferMadness's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
I dunno if you made that up or if you're quoting someone who's equally stupid but there wasn't a genocidal theocracy controlling a nation-sized land mass when Bush left office, aside from maybe Pakistan. Yeah you’re generally ignorant so I’m not surprised even though you’ve been informed of this already. Bush created Al Qaeda in Iraq and he released Al-Baghdadi from prison who took over, moved the group to Syria and then turned it into ISIS. At best a Obama could have kept the group contained in Syria although neither he nor his generals had the benefit of hindsight that we have.- 255 replies
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America under President Trump
BeaverFever replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
He’s a popular and well-known QAnon figure known as “the QAnon Shaman”. He’s not “on both sides” -
America under President Trump
BeaverFever replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
Ah yea now the Trumpster crackpots are claiming that it’s a ‘false flag’ operation or that it’s all part of some masterful grand plan of Trump’s that’s yet to play out. We all know there’s no point arguing with nutjobs who have infinite capacity for ever-expanding convoluted conspiracy theories and magical thinking but we do it any way just for fun Donald Trump fans cry betrayal as he rebukes Capitol violence On Parler and 4chan Trumpists write of feeling ‘like puking’ as president says those who ‘broke law will pay’ Donald Trump’s belated “concession” to a peaceful and orderly transition of power after the storming of the US Capitol has provoked anger and conspiracy theories among some of his most ardent followers. On social media channels and chatrooms like Parler and 4chan, where far-right Trumpists have gravitated as other social media sites have increasingly shut out the president, there were complaints of betrayal. Trump claimed on Thursday that he was “outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem” of the Capitol siege that he had incited, and said those who “broke the law will pay” – comments that perhaps reflected concern over mounting legal and political hazard rather than a newfound sense of contrition and integrity. Nevertheless they prompted an outpouring of anger, grief and denial from his hardline acolytes. “A punch in the gut,” said one. “A stab in the back,” another railed. From a third: “I feel like puking.” A widely shared screengrab summed up the sentiment: “He says it’s going to be wild and when it gets wild he calls it a heinous attack and middle-fingers to his supporters he told to be there.” Others turned to conspiracy theories, not least in the dark corners of 4chan and Parler, where the cult of QAnon holds sway. Many here saw not a Trump concession but either a “deep fake” video concocted by Trump’s enemies, or secret messages that indicated Trump was still on track to deliver on QAnon’s deranged promises. “FAK fake fake He’s been locked out of his Twitter he can’t get into it he couldn’t get into it he couldn’t get into today it’s been closed out for ever,” opined someone called Magafree. “He has a plan here President Trump would not back down that easily,” wrote Brenda. “We need to stand strong, keep watch and pray. Something big is coming and Gid [God] is going to see it through.” The reactions of the more mainstream elements of the Trump-era echo chamber have been more instructive. Sites such as Breitbart and the Daily Caller appear to have swung behind an emerging Republican consensus that has become increasingly hostile to Trump, blaming him not only for the storming of the Capitol, but also for delivering the presidency, the House of Representatives, and, earlier this week, the Senate to the Democrats. Breitbart’s main story on Trump’s concession video was delivered in a relatively straight way, although the site tried to spin it as a Trump “change of tone”, suggesting all he had done was “return to his campaign theme of law and order”. The comments below were, however, rather less mannered and careful. “There will NEVER be ‘reconciliation’,” wrote Freedomring17. “We have irreconcilable differences, and the fight has just begun. We need to disown the RNC until they support the Patriot party.” For “NMP” the consequence was obvious and Trump part of the problem. “He could have declared martial law, like [Michael] Flynn said, instead he got patroits [sic] to show their face and they did and now they know who they are looking for.” For the bitter-enders, like TrumpSupporterLTD, the sentiments were of a piece with the QAnon crowd over on 4chan – an almost metaphysical belief that Trump, despite the wealth of evidence, continues to move in mysterious ways “Trump did not concede. He used language to buy a little extra time because the senators and congressmen who support him are being threatened with dirty bombs and their families’ lives by the Deep State and/or communist Chinese … I have it on good grounds that Trump will be moving with the military And regarding the transition to a new administration, means Trump with a new VP Pence is obviously a traitor and is ‘fired’.” https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/08/trump-incites-anger-among-acolytes-let-down-by-lack-of-support -
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BeaverFever replied to ReeferMadness's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
Signing an affidavit claiming you believe you saw a UFO won’t get you charged with perjury but that doesn’t mean it proves that aliens exist. Impeachment is an established legal means which the Republicans last ised whb Clintons lied about getting a blow job. It wasn’t sedition when it was used against Clinton and isn’t sedition when used against Trump’s obstruction of Justice. What Trump did was completely different because even after all his attempts though established authorities and mechanisms to dispute the election failed, he tried to pressure officials to throw out the results and install him in office anyway. If Trump hadn’t been such a complete fucking idiot he would have understood and expected that some of his followers would go that extent given all his dramatic and overheated rhetoric to describe his false claims and then going on about “showing strength”, “never backing down”, “trial by combat” and then telling them to march on the capitol- 255 replies
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BeaverFever replied to ReeferMadness's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
It wasn’t “3 full years” and there were riots under Trump also. There were terrorist attacks under Bush. You can’t even point to anything specific that Trump did to curb either. Your ridiculous cultist treatment of Trump as the rooster who deserves sole credit for the sun rising is as hilarious and pathetic as your treatment of Obama and Trudeau (and soon to be Biden) as the owls who are solely o blame for the sun setting. That was the inevitable result of Bush’s criminal invasion of Iraq and was predicted by everyone on the left back when Bush invaded in 2003 and promised it would be a peaceful liberation the troops would be home in a few months. The vile terrorist group Bush unleashed on the world evolved under the leadership of a terrorist that Bush released from US custody. Obama may mot have bern perfect cleaning up Bush’s mess with the benefit of hindsight but you when you Republicans set the whole damn house on fire and let the fire worsen for 6 years don’t get to criticize the firefighters who are sent to replace you. Again you can’t point to anything specific Trump did to defeat ISIS it was already in decline under pressure from Syrian, Turkish, Kurdish and Itaqi forces with US, Russian and international support Russia has always been a world-class douchebag. Nobody has done more to encourage and enable Russian aggression towards the West than Trump, an open admirer of Putin, whose staff admits they met with Russian agents to negotiate lifting sanctions in exchange for dirt on Hillary. Not sure what the “rocket man” refers to. False. During Obama’s last four years in office the average weekly earnings for production and nonsupervisory workers went up 4.9%. Over Obama’s entire two-term tenure, wages were up 4.2%. Wages have increased 2.4% since Trump took office (as of 2019) , Thank to state minimum wage increases that Republicans openly opposed For all wage earners: This growth reached 2.1% per annum in February 2019, prior to the pandemic. This is lower than the real wage increases of up to 2.4% that President Obama oversaw in 2015 Trump touted low-wage worker pay gains but much of the credit goes to state minimum wage hikes https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/4682939002 Agreed. Fortunately that demented criminal will be leaving office at noon on Jan 20, and possibly sooner.- 255 replies
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BeaverFever replied to WestCanMan's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
OMG seriously? Yes. Exactly you fukin dumbass. A national tragedy and instead of condemning the nation immediately and live like Biden and so many in Congress he ways a full day to release a recorded condemnation. That’s a deliberate choice to downplay the disgraceful conduct of his violent thugs and he was probably forced to do it. -
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BeaverFever replied to WestCanMan's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
Yes you’re a pathetic liar. Please show me where Dems are “leading” the riots. Or even “supporting” the riots. None of those are “rioting” Most BLMers were peaceful protesters. More crackpot conspiracy theories surrounding the non-issue of the non-concealed bodycam footage that wasn’t hiding any secret No Trumps response was not good enough for anyone that’s why more and more staff are quitting by the day. Doing a shitty job of it twice doesn’t add up to one decent job. If you weren’t such a terrible reader you would have noticed in my post I said how horrible his responses were Shameless Liar. If you weren’t in such a bubble you would know that. Obama: ‘No sympathy’ for violence in Ferguson President Barack Obama said he has “no sympathy at all for destroying your own communities,” urging protesters in Ferguson to avoid a second night of violence and fight instead for longer-lasting political changes. https://www.cnn.com/2014/11/25/politics/obama-holder-ferguson/index.html Obama: ‘No excuse’ for violence in Baltimore CNN) — President Barack Obama on Tuesday condemned the “criminals and thugs who tore up” the city of Baltimore on Monday night, after rioting and looting paralyzed the city and overwhelmed local officials. https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/28/politics/obama-baltimore-violent-protests/index.html Obama Calls on Nation to Accept Ferguson Decision, Protest Peacefully Nov. 24, 2014, 10:28 PM EST / Updated Nov. 24, 2014, 10:42 PM EST President Barack Obama called on the nation to accept the Ferguson, Missouri, grand jury's decision not to indict Officer Darren Wilson in the death of Michael Brown — and urged protesters to stay peaceful and police to exercise restraint. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/obama-calls-nation-accept-ferguson-decision-protest-peacefully-n255466 Your Floyd body cam nonsense is just nonsense What is it you think the cam shows? Apparently it’s only you that’s discovered this special secret. -
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BeaverFever replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
Clearly you’re not. Facebook and YouTube don’t count. -
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BeaverFever replied to ReeferMadness's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
Best post I’ve read on here yet. I would add that the division of powers between the president, senate and house at the federal and state levels means America’s problems are largely unfixable even if a truly great once-in-a-generation leader were to be elected. And despite the 2-party system, the truth of the American system is that each of the 538 lawmakers in congress are independent political actors with their own private and local agendas. Furthermore Americas bureaucracy is seriously flawed in that so many federal state and local officials including judges, prosecutors and senior law enforcement are elected and therefore also independent political actors with their own agendas. This also includes obscure and mundane roles like county clerk and comptrollers who have no business being elected. This results in a public service that is more interested in favour-trading, influence-peddling, grandstanding and vote-chasing rather than policy development and program delivery.- 255 replies
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BeaverFever replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
So you want us to know you failed history AND political science. -
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BeaverFever replied to WestCanMan's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
That wasn’t live that was the pre-recorded speech he released today -
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BeaverFever replied to WestCanMan's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
“Dem-led riots”??? There you are lying again. They were not led by Dems. Unlike the protest organized and attended by Trump amd his band of traitors . He still has not appeared live to condemn the terrorism. That day he only appeared briefly to tell the rioters to go home and he loved them amd to repeat his false election claims Then 24 hrs later after his inner circle turned on him, he only condemned them via a pre-recorded video. I don’t know why you keep bringing up the Floyd body cam it doesn’t disprove any of the police brutality accusations and the 4 fired cops are still facing trial -
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BeaverFever replied to WestCanMan's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
You’re a joke. You have a real black derangement problem. It’s also funny how you blame Obama and Trudeau for every little thing that ever happened during their administration bit Trump is totally blameless for everything that happened during his dumpster fire presidency. Obama is to blame for not ending riots sooner and maybe even starting them. But Trump bears no blame for riots that lasted longer and were more destructive thats suddenly all of the individual cities’ fault. Trayvon’s murder was not “made into something it wasn’t” and it wasn’t , and Obama was not the reason people were upset about it. -
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BeaverFever replied to WestCanMan's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
Wow that’s a lot of words to say it’s impossible to be an incel and also from a Muslim family. I didn’t know being an incel was a white privilege. -
America under President Trump
BeaverFever replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
And he’s already been ID’d. Trump supporters have always been well known for their simple-mindedness and a bunch of these morons actually posted pictures of themselves committing domestic terrorism on their social media pages See link below for screenshots of these Trumptards Identify Homegrown Terrorists https://www.instagram.com/homegrownterrorists/ -
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BeaverFever replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
But there is some irony Capitol rioters could face up to 10 years in prison under Trump monument executive order Federal law enforcement officials are investigating and will bring charges against rioters Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen vowed that pro-Trump rioters who entered the U.S. Capitol would "face the full consequences of their actions under the law," and those consequences could include being charged under President Trump's executive order authorizing up to 10 years in prison for "injury of federal property." https://www.foxnews.com/politics/capitol-rioters-prison-trump-executive-order-federal
