Infidel Dog

1. Already did. 2. You first. Stop trying to scare people. Warmageddon isn't coming. 3. Semantics. If there is no danger why do you need a special tax. Why do special government organizations need to be formed that are starting to look more and more like a push for global government. Explain the push to subsidize rare bird choppers in the form or wind turbines or to fry them with solar banks. What's with the dirty throngs Progs have scared into rioting on the streets to stop the coming apocalypse of nice weather. If there's no danger why is it so important to support of the climate scare? And what's with all this frightening of children. Stay out of schools. Leave poor Greta alone. 4.If you need to be worried why this one? Why not worry about the coming Yellowstone super-volcano, Niburu or an alien invasion. There's about as much evidence for those as there is of a coming Warmageddon. 5. Most oil Companies claim to support the movement you call "climate change". Support they might give to any opposition is mostly, extinct and even when it was present it was comparatively tiny compared to the money put out pushing the fear. 6. Nonsense. 7. There's no secret what almost all skeptics support. There has been some warming since the end of the little ice age. Humans can have some effect on climate. Nobody knows how much or if it's a problem but any possible problem could be better dealt with through adaptation rather than mitigation. If you don't already know this why are you pushing so hard to display your naivety? And Buddy, it was you who wanted to present Michael Mann as your hero. I'm only saying if that's the case you have some pretty pathetic heroes.

1. You don't know what you're talking about. 2. Overwhelming preponderance of studies say the MWP existed as warm or warmer than today. There are some who try to argue it might have been more a northern hemisphere thing. Skepticism of the global warming hypothesis isn't directed so much at the idea man can affect climate and perhaps cause some warming. It questions how much and is there any danger. If what we're experiencing today happened before less than a millennium ago and mankind did just fine with it, why worry? 3. The studies linked there are peer reviewed. Why would it matter who found them? What? You think you use the magic word "oil lobby" and you prove something? But if you really want to get an overly biased view of issues like Global Warming just go to Wikipedia. Even the creator of the online encyclopedia complains how the left has taken it over and challenged its credibility. 4. When I click on the links at the interactive map I see studies from 3 or 4 years ago so I'm not sure what your complaining about or why. Are you aware of more recent studies that contradict the idea of a warm MWP? I'll answer that question for you. You're not. 5. Well we already know you're a liar because you're lying right now by talking to me. You promised not to bother me anymore. You've cited me nothing that questions the existence of a warm MWP. You told me NASA GISS director James Hansen director's faulty predictions don't matter because climate clown, Michael Mann disagreed with him about how fast the ice would melt. That's the limit of any support you've offered. Oh maybe the boring insult of "denier" and some other magic words of Proggish shutuppery like "oil lobby." But other than that you've got nothing. 3.

Well if you already knew the hockey stick graph was much disputed (I would say debunked) why are you pretending people need to respect Mann as credible now. Are you thinking you know something new that proves that graph true now? Go ahead then show me. Show me why there was no medieval warm period. Because there have been tons of studies from all over the globe since that time showing there was one. Here's a global interactive map: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1akI_yGSUlO_qEvrmrIYv9kHknq4&hl=en_US&ll=16.10404598750997%2C1.827248500000067&z=2 Here's links to peer reviewed studies: http://www.co2science.org/data/mwp/mwpp.php Notice that they're global? But go ahead show me why I should ignore all that science and find Mikey's disappearing of the MWP to be based on something more than the wishful thinking of gullible believers. I hope you have better evidence than 'cause you say so.'

No. Everybody knows temperatures have been rising since the end of the little ice age, in the middle of the 19th century. I take it you're not up on the Hockey stick controversy or Michael Mann's general shifty behaviour. Basically there is an era of climate called the Medieval Warm Period. This was creating a problem for Global Warming alarmists. It was as hot or hotter than present day. This was long before any alleged problem with human caused greenhouse emissions. These hot temperatures of the MWP said modern warming was nothing special. That was a problem. They couldn't have that, so this guy who was unknown at the time named Michael Mann used some magic math, manipulated data and bogus graphing tricks to erase the MWP from the record. The hockey stick graph was a big thing for pushers of the coming Warmageddon like Al Gore and the IPCC. They jumped aboard with both feet. Then Canadian Scientist Dr. Ross McKitrick and Canadian geologist and fraud investigator Steve Mcintyre decided to have a look at how the fraud of the hockey stick had been perpetrated. One of those most fun things to ridicule was what's called "hide the decline" or "Mike's nature trick". It goes like this. If you just use the tree ring proxies the graph will flatten out and the MWP will disappear but there's a problem. As you start to reach the modern record temperatures decline. They get colder. Mike couldn't have that so for his paper in nature he just deleted the tree ring proxy temps and added Jim Hansen's NASA Giss temperature record at the end of his new invented record. And presto changeo, abracadabra - temperatures rose again. What Abies likes to call "denialists" got a good laugh out of that one. Would you like to see an example:

The Wall Street Journal tells us "Per-capita Covid fatalities were 75% lower in open states." https://www.wsj.com/articles/news-from-the-non-lockdown-states-11592954700 There's a paygate there but they discuss the article here: COVID-19 death rate is 75% lower in states that didn't lock down: WSJ

Have they? Show me. Show me the graphs for studies that duplicate this:

Well, seeing as author/commentator Mark Steyn is one of the litigants it might be worth hearing what he has to say on the subject. I'm going to assume he knows at least as much on the subject as you do: https://www.steynonline.com/10400/the-costs-of-mann-delay

What sort of proof would you accept for that negative? As I understand it these predictions of catastrophe from human caused global warming (eg melting of greenland and western antarctica) aren't supposed to happen for a couple hundred years. What sort of proof would you accept to "prove" that won't happen? Other than waiting 2 hundred years to see, I mean? There is reason to doubt the next great flooding of the earth. So far the ocean is only rising at about 7 inches a century. When were you expecting to run out of shore line at that rate? Oh, and you forgot the C in your AGW. It's Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming that has its doubters. I suppose you warminista alarmists have proof this crisis you're predicting will happen, do you? I mean you seem to think people need to prove a negative so offering evidence for your positive should be easy-peasy. Produce it then. When will this Warmaggedon happen? What will it be specifically? How will it happen. If you're the ones with the evidence, let's see it. Here's the thing. If you can show me why I should believe a catastrophe is coming I might take your need to organize the globe and manage a solution for your imagined crisis seriously. You might even be able to sell me on the necessity of a carbon tax. But If you don't have any better reason I should believe the end of the world is coming than you'll call me a name if I don't believe you, why are you bothering people with your silly End-times scenarios? Oh and Michael Mann is the braintrust behind the much debunked hockey stick graph. That's all he's known for. Pardon me, that and claiming he and his crew fix peer review to keep out anybody daring to disagree with him and his gang. Lately he's been resorting to suing his many critics and so far he's lost 2 out of 3 cases. The third one is still trying to get Mike into a courtroom but Mann keeps finding ways to avoid it. So if all you've got is Mikey doesn't agree with Jimmy on how fast Warmageddon is coming, good for him but so what?

Do you know who James Hansen is? Actually, I agree that he was just some loon. But I doubt you'll really want to cop to that once I tell you who he is. James Hansen used to head NASA GISS. NASA GISS is the temperature record you'd be most likely to quote if you wanted to weed through computer models to find one that might fit a much massaged temperature record if you wanted to pretend predictory climate models aren't almost always wrong. James Hansen also wrote a lot of those models. He's also this guy: https://dailycaller.com/2016/04/12/scientist-who-predicted-ny-city-would-be-underwater-says-hes-not-an-alarmist/ James Hansen was the mainstream scientist you'd be most likely to quote if you wanted to try to make the point climate model predictions are pretty good. You'd have to be tricky to do it though and I'd call you on it. Try it with the IPCC models if you like. There are arguments for those. You can find them with a Google. Those arguments are faulty too though. Go ahead. Find them. Post them. I'll show you what I mean.

If that were true it might be worth reading the rest, but it's not. The OP clearly states its premise: "The new narrative going around the world today is that whites are the slaver drivers of the human race and blacks are the sole victims. A lot of us have known for a long time that's just divisive bullshit" He's not arguing fairness. He's arguing truth. He's specifically telling you that the claim whites are the specific drivers of an ideology which created and perpetuated slavery against specifically blacks is bullshit. That has nothing to do with pride. It has to do with fact. If you have an argument against that factual statement present it. There are specific arguments that show you to be incorrect. They are, as you say, "selective" only in that they will specifically counter any argument you might make to further what the OP calls "divisive bullshit."

Whatever "RCP8.5" is we don't hear about it when they tell us the lie that their predictions based on models come true. They don't predict the future of climate very well but there are lots of prediction models so all they have to do is find the one of them that came close according to the temperature record that's most radical (and if that one doesn't work they'll rewrite it) then say, "See. We were right all the time." But they weren't. The Arctic isn't ice-free in the summer time. Manhattan isn't under water. There's still snow in Britain and so on...

I heard about that: https://therightscoop.com/aoc-is-bragging-about-app-users-interfering-in-an-american-election-via-chinas-tiktok-yall-make-me-so-proud/ Gives progressive socialists like AOC the giggles, I guess. Apparently some don't believe this is the sort that would cheat on elections.

Then there's this:

I guess... Didn't need to be there to see how many did show up. Quite a lot actually. A lot more than turned up at Joe Biden's basement, where he's hiding out.

No passport would be among the reasons I couldn't attend. If The Donald ever had a reason to have a rally in Vancouver though and our NDP (socialist?) government would ever let him I'd be happy to fill a seat. The tens of thousands that did make it to Tulsa looked like they were having a great time. Neither a ChiComm pandemic scare nor threats from the scatterings of unwashed commie radicals outside could keep them away.

Wish I could have been there:

True...but are you certain it ever was?

This below is just a joke presently... but keep shooting and spreading Antifa. It could get serious. BTW there was a double-shooting (one killed) in CHAZ the other night. https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/one-killed-two-injured-during-shooting-inside-seattles-cop-free-zone/

Here's a new one confirming the founders of BLM were Marxists. I post it for the deniers who refuse to acknowledge it. Not sure if the link to the Twitter video will transfer but co-founder of BLM, Patrisse Cullors, says "Myself and Alicia are trained organisers. We are trained Marxists." I don't know how much clearer a denier of facts will want it than than that. The idea they can't be commies because they support the Democrats is, of course, ridiculous. All kinds of communists, socialists and their organizations support the Democratic party.

All BS aside what they're really after is your culture. Destroy that, the theory goes, and western society will crumble.

The regressive left is going to end something they call "racism" for you. So far the only thing we know for sure is it doesn't seem to be working because every day they keep coming up with something new to attack under the new 'racism' label. So whatever this redefined thing they're calling racism is (last we heard it had something to do with Aunt Jemima syrup) it still seems to be around.

"Covert racism..." Great term. You don't actually have to produce any evidence. It's just, "there it is. have faith, my friend." New religion anybody?

Bill Whittle and his crew say the best way to cure people of socialism is to let them have it. He advises to leave CHAZ/CHOP alone. Let it burn.

This keeps getting more interesting as I go through my news scroll. Turns out Mayors get a lot more twitchy when it's their houses that start getting attacked and vandalized. Just ask the Mayors of Seattle and Portland. Washington state mayor now calls BLM protests ‘domestic terrorism’ after her home vandalized Who saw that coming?

Hang on...I'm behind the times again. Portland Autonomous Zone...gone...poof. 'Playtime over': Portland police dismantle autonomous zone outside mayor's residence That's almost too bad. I was looking forward to putting an S at the beginning somehow so I could call it SPAZ.