Infidel Dog

Surely you're not suggesting that the property rights of people in the districts that were burned to the ground during last week's race riots were better cared for by the Progressive Socialists they did vote for. Feel free to use New York as an example to make your point.

I definitely say so. The idea race riots are acceptable (even recommended) because of an imagined persecution of blacks is idiotic. Facts reveal it to be a blatant fabrication. It's something so dumb only progressive socialists could come up with it. It's born out of their belief that everybody else is so dumb they'll believe anything they tell them. And there are enough gullibles in the world, or unfortunates desperate to have their misfortunes excused by a fairy-tale of their special persecution, that the lie succeeds from time to time. And what that has to do with Blue Lives Matter I haven't a clue. The cop who was killed last night was the victim of the lie not support for it. Suggesting anything else isn't hyperbole. It's another lie.

Several times on this thread I've heard complaints against bringing up statistical facts showing blacks have no reason to feel they're being persecuted worse than any other race by the police or anybody else. The idea facts are bad when they interfere with people's feels is dumb. Generally when I hear something so dumb as a command to stop noticing facts my go to move is to post more facts. So here ya go... From here: https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/06/truth-about-police-violence-and-race-john-perazzo/

Pretty much. I believe we were comparing them to the WWE. There's sports and then there's WWE sports entertainment. There's news and then there's cable news entertainment.

Race riots of the Floyd variety aren't really about racism. They're about race-baiting and race-baiting is done with lies. Chief among those lies is the idea that blacks are victimized by a special and unequal sort of systematic persecution. That's a lie. It needs to be defeated. Facts are the first line of defence. Blacks are responsible for vastly more crime than any other race in America. It's reasonable to expect them to get a proportional police reaction to their increased criminal activity. More than double the amount of whites are killed by police than Blacks. That's not proportional to blacks 12% demographic but because blacks are responsible for vastly more crime and therefore seeing more police the stat more than evens out. Blacks aren't being inordinately or unreasonably persecuted by police as a race. And I'll keep stating that fact no matter how much it bothers some white guy who thinks it's clever to call me "Whitey."

I sometimes get the impression that some don't know what I mean by media "race-baiting." Might as well offer up an example: https://www.lifenews.com/2020/06/02/cbs-news-claims-white-americans-have-contempt-for-black-life/

Just as long as you remember CNN and MSNBC are also cable news.

Cable news commentary is the WWE of news.

Yes, but The 5 isn't investigative journalism. It's panel commentary. I think he's hoping to shame one of these Democrat stenographers who use the label "journalist' into investigating the issue so he can comment on it. I imagine he could pressure a Fox journalist but where would the fun be in that. All BS aside though, he's just making a snide comment using an observation that should be obvious and is to some but not to all. It's what he does.

I think it's important to be technically correct here. I didn't say I saw no racism. I said there was no evidence of racism at the present time. The term racism has a specific meaning and there is no evidence of it at the present time regarding this Floyd case. If you do have evidence to the contrary show it to me. Don't tell me how you feel I feel and why you disapprove of it. Making feels the point accomplishes nothing. Take race riots for example...

No that isn't why blacks riot. They riot because the Progressive agenda has been feeding them this pablum of race specialness to excuse any lack of agency in dealing with their problems and heighten any external sleight they feel they endure. And on too many of them that seems to work. Currently there is no evidence Chauvin's stupidity was race-based and I'll keep saying that until somebody proves me wrong.

1. The only thing special about black history of persecution is the slavery bit might be more recent than what many of our ancestors experienced. But blacks don't own slave history . Definitely not current occurrence. They don't get a pass on what we witnessed over the weekend, 'cause slavery.' 2. Yes and no. Mohammed Noor had previous problems in the force as well. Neither case required riots. Minneapolis police training policy needs a long look. BTW did you know this is the current police chief: 3. Your supposition is nonsense. 4. See 3 5. No you're talking at me and telling me what you want to think I think. You're not paying attention to what I'm actually telling you I think. All groups should be treated equal and there are current laws meant to insure they are. 6. If you want to look at history let's consider it all then. Not just the cherry-picked bits that might support a race-baiting agenda. All races can point to bits of persecution. Including current whites. 7. There is currently no reason to believe race played a part in Choker Chauvin's stupidity that day. So there was no reason for the media and others to push it. But they did.

True. And myself I'd say profiling can have a purpose. If we put ourselves in a cop's shoes we would handle a six foot six muscle man different than a grandmother with a walker. That's exaggerated to show how basic the principle is. I understand that.

Is it? That's an argument not a statement of fact. I guess if you wanted to have that debate though I'd start by pointing out the reason more blacked are stopped to be frisked goes back to the stat Progressives don't want us to mention or even know about. Blacks commit a vastly larger percentage of the crime per capita. It might even be by raw numbers. I can't remember. It's also worth remembering that the reason stop n frisk still remains as a crime prevention policy in New York is it has historically worked.

And if you watch the trial and see the complete video you'll see why. The large, muscular, Floyd was resisting arrest. The white lady Mohammed Noor shot in her pyjamas wasn't.

Not sure what the point is there, but I think I might agree. It's worth noticing that George Floyd was 6'6", cut, and was resisting arrest. It doesn''t excuse Chauvin's choking knee but it would be a factor in sentencing. Such excess would be less likely in arresting a grandmother - white or black. Not impossible but less likely. I saw an older lady get smacked around by a cop one time. She was white though.

There were protestors objecting to the activities of antifa, BLM, and the looters. I saw video of one old lady screaming at antifa to stop the vandalism because it might help Trump get re-elected. It's apples and oranges comparing cops to protestors though. Cops have to be there. Citizens don't have to attend a riot. They can choose not to attend.

No it's not. It's extremely relevant as a counter to the statistical argument from race-baiters like the Washington Post. They tell us there's nothing to see here when we notice there are more than twice as many whites killed in incidents with police as there are blacks. The statistical rationale to WaPo's argument is there are only about a third as many blacks in America as there are whites. But now factor in the vastly superior numbers (per capita or any other way you'd like) of black crime and you see the probability a cop will be involved in a confrontation with a black criminal wipes out any statistical discrepancy regarding cop killings by race far past existence. So there is no reason to believe cops are killing or persecuting blacks more than other races. If you think something should be done about a larger issue good for you but they won't be rioting in the streets over that one.

You don't burn a city down with "a few" and by Saturday anybody attending knew what to expect. Almost all condoned the actions by their presence.

Do you really care what I think? I doubt it. If you did you wouldn't be prefacing that question with what you want to think, I think. Just for the Hell of it though, I'll tell you what I actually think. Race in America is a large and complex issue but we're talking about a specific incident. In the Floyd case I have no reason to believe racism was involved. A bad cop appears to be at the center. But evidence of racism is not there at present. It was however race-baited loud and everywhere as a race issue. Why was that, do you think?

1. Let's not get too clever. You know what I mean. Don't pretend you don't. The woman Minneapolis cop, Mohammed Noor shot in her Pyjamas was white. There was no riot. They're shouldn't have been. They're shouldn't have been in the Floyd case either. Minneapolis police training procedures should get a long, hard look though. This wasn't the first time the neck crusher in the Floyd case got into trouble. 2. The media don't play up or cherry pick illegal immigrant murders for race-baiting the way they do with some white on black incidents. Maybe they should call more attention to these cases where illegal immigrants are repeatedly getting kicked out of the US for criminal activity then returning to eventually kill Americans though. No racial group or groups should get special treatment from the media, universities, politicians or anybody else is my actual opinion as opposed to the one you're trying to foist on me.

https://pjmedia.com/columns/philip-carl-salzman/2020/05/31/who-kills-african-americans-n472072

This was mentioned earlier by somebody but why didn't the case of Minneapolis cop Mohamed Noor shooting the women in her pyjamas cause a race riot? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6758077/Minneapolis-cop-killed-Australian-woman-pointed-gun-driver-traffic-stop.html I already know the answer, of course, and so do those of you who are honest with yourselves. It wasn't because blacks are a special sort of victim. It was because they're told they are.

There is racism in America (and Canada too, for that matter) and sure, that sucks, but it isn't institutionalized. White cops aren't cruising the streets looking for blacks to shoot as a matter of policy or even as a general rule. Yet somehow we're being brain-trained to believe that's the case. If we could somehow put the kibosh on that lie the commies of BLM would be neutered and the commies of antifa wouldn't have race riots to hide in. That's my point.