Infidel Dog

Perhaps but if there are accusations of westerners lacking what they call "common decency" for critiquing the aggressive stance of Islam for say offering a illustration of Mohammed there's a historical and ideological context that suggests they look in the mirror.

More importantly though you somehow forgot the two separate cases of Mo's censorship by death of two different poets as reported by Sahih Bukhari: https://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/USC-MSA/Volume-4/Book-52/Hadith-264/ https://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/USC-MSA/Volume-5/Book-59/Hadith-369/ As I understand it Bukhari's hadiths are undisputed. Put all these together and it becomes a pretty solid case. Mo and his followers have been killing critics for centuries. But if I understand your original claim correctly that's OK because if you criticize or present Mohammed in a way that might be open to criticism you have no, what you call, "common decency."

Now in the second example there's a story from one of Mohammed's biographers. The Encyclopedia Brittanica says this about that: However, possibly more friendly to your argument they also say this:

Well you've jumbled up the two quotes from 2 different sources and tried to make people think they're the same thing. The first is from Bukhari. I doubt even that guy critiquing the second sample on his site that looks like a teenage girl's MySpace is going to call out Bukhari. And I don't think you are (at least I hope not). I think you're saying Bukhari is not saying anything that could be critiqued and I don't understand what he is saying. OK, here's what I think he's saying. I think he's talking about when Mohammed took over Mecca and he was marching through mecca. That's when I think Bukhari says Mohmmed stopper and started delivering what is more commonly called the Surah Najm. As I recall that one it speaks of how an angel came down from the stars and delivered revelations to Mo. Bukhari tells us that everybody prostrated on the ground except an old man who grabbed up a handful of dirt, held it to his head and said "This all the revelation I need" or something like that. Later that old man of Mecca was executed. According to Bukhari. What do you think I got wrong.

You couldn't just say "Oops, I was wrong. I made another mistake, sorry about that," could you Beave?

Will you accept Reuters as a source. If not just ask. There are many more. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-byrd-eulogy-biden-kkk-grand-idUSKBN26S2EE

How could they tell from behind the flames leaping up from their own pants.

Oh, and I almost forgot about Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf. He was another poet who said things in his verses Mo didn't like. Mohammed asked for an assassin to go kill Ka'b and somebody stepped forward saying he'd do it but he'd have to lie. Mo said 'go ahead and lie then." No less than Sahih Bukhari tells how the assassination was carried out. https://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/USC-MSA/Volume-5/Book-59/Hadith-369/ Bukhari also told of Abu Rafi, another Poet of the day who had dared to mock Mohammed and Mo had murdered: https://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/USC-MSA/Volume-4/Book-52/Hadith-264/

But you forgot to give us your Islamic definition of what you call "common decency" that would include events like the ones above.

It is a disputed Hadith but does it matter when there are so many similar or worse stories in the six major hadith collections and other undisputed collections? Even Bukhari tells of an old man put to death for rejecting the Qu'ran in Mohammed's presence. Ibn Isḥāq who wrote the biography that the Encyclopedia Britannica calls "one of the most important sources on the Prophet’s life" tells the tale of Umm Qirfa an old lady of a tribe that rejected Islam.. Mohammed had sent his adopted son on the raid and received no rebuke from his adopted dad for pulling the old lady apart with camels or other atrocities committed during or after the raid.

Well you sure told us then. Apparently 90 years ago Trump's Dad was at a memorial day rally where a bunch of KKK guys were causing trouble and he got nabbed in a group bust with 6 of them. He might even have been one of them. Owned. Is that what you're thinking?

That doesn't exactly tell the story. More completely it was like this: This only insinuates that maybe Fred was one of the guys in Robes in a ballpark description by a small time 1920s paperman. But again Fred was discharged. So it's more likely he wasn't. Six were charged. Even if the reporter somehow got it right when he pulled the number 7 out from somewhere (and we have no idea where) are you sure this matters? The other day we were told that Joe Biden's mentor, an Exalted Cyclops of the KKK and a Dixiecrat gets a wash because his KKK days were back in the 40s. You want to damn Donald for something his father may have done, but most probably didn't, at a memorial day rally way back in the 20s.

Thanks, WCM. I was going to say that. I mean @Argus, "C'mon Man." If you're going to brag about your superior knowledge don't make it so easy to show it doesn't exist. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/18/fact-check-fred-trump-detained-kkk-rally-circumstances-unclear/3209853001/

Thanks. Done. https://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/40976-political-history/

I'm told to bring the Southern Strategy discussion here. Very well... Here's a description of what Progressives and those in their orbit claim the Southern Strategy was. (It's from Wikipedia) Most often it's attributed to the campaigns of Goldwater and Nixon in 1964 and 68. The problem there is neither of those two ever publicly called for such a racist strategy to be enacted. The black vote in the south had begun migrating to the Democrats during the gifts package days of the New Deal under FDR. Goldwater made a comment once suggesting it would be better to concentrate on the white vote because they'd already lost the black one. Past Republican presidents such as Herbert Hoover and Eisenhower had had some success with the white demographic. Neither were racists. Kevin Phillips who worked briefly as a strategist in the Nixon Campaign before becoming a contributor to Progressive media popularized the phrase "Southern Strategy." Both Goldwater and Nixon have good civil rights creds. Later a couple of Progressives managed to finagle a Ronald Reagan strategist into an hours long interview where they managed to badger him (Leon Panetta) into claiming at one brief point in the interview it would be possible to pitch to white racists with Dog whistle terms. It had been claimed Nixon did that. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2787426/posts For example Nixon opposed busing but there can be legitimate reasons for that. In an interview Nixon described how it wouldn't make sense to bus a kid 5 miles to be in an integrated school when he had a school to walk to 5 blocks away. Such a thing would be more likely to cause more problems between the races, he argued. He thought it better to simply improve all schools and open them to all. So accepting the notion of a "Southern Strategy" requires we believe the notion that Nixon, Goldwater and later even Reagan were dog whistling to Southern Democrats by mentioning legitimate notions that might draw in some white Dems for supposedly racist reasons. Pass the tin foil guys. In fact, speaking of tin foil, another reason for ignoring this conspiracy theory labelled the Southern Strategy, that Progressives are desperate to believe and have you believe, is there's no real evidence of its existence. Speaking of which: shoutout to Beaver Feaver. Do you notice Democrat Senator Byrd's name up there, Beave? He wasn't just an Exalted Cyclops of the KKK. He was a Dixiecrat.

No. Atwater just added some fuel to the fire by encouraging the idea that it had been possible to 'dog whistle' racist talking points without actually coming flat out and encouraging racists to vote for somebody because he was a fellow racist. The Southern Strategy idea is claimed to have begun either with Goldwater in 64 or Nixon in 68. However... https://redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2012/07/11/the-southern-strategy-myth-and-the-lost-majority-n43726

Wow. Congratulations you two. I've seen some straw manning and pettifoggery in my day but you two have me so confused with those links diverting off in a hundred directions pretending extreme examples of something or other or unconnected trivia proved something. Supposedly you were going to show me why I should believe there was a Southern Strategy. So let's start by agreeing what that was supposed to be. Here, we'll use a source you guys on the left like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy So what specifically do either of you think you've produced that proves the existence of that? As I understand it, the southern strategy was a concept concocted by this guy - I think his name was Kevin Phillips. He was this guy who finagled a job bean counting for the Nixon campaign and calling himself a strategist. Last I heard he was appearing here and there as a contributor to Progressive media. Oh and can we stop doing this thing where we think by mentioning something we've proved it. And by we I mean you, Cannucklehead.

Show me evidence anything in that video is false or stop embarrassing yourself by choosing to be ignorant of the facts.

Here ya go, Beave. Educate yourself.

50 years from now the future version of Beave will be presenting the Russian Collusion Delusion as established fact.

Well yeah, Beave I think we've established that from deep inside the pixie dust dream landscape of Beave-world all fact looks like garbage. I'll agree with you that the southern strategy isn't a theory though. It doesn't even rise to the level of hypothesis. It's imagined, revisionist crap yanked straight out the Progressive butt-hole. It's fantasy. It never happened.

Yeah, I know it's a Prog thing. One side starts to accuse different aspects of the prog side of cultist behaviour. It fits like a glove. An idea worm manages to penetrate the thick skull of the Progressive overmind. It goes "Hmmm...this may be a burn. In fact I think it is a burn. Go forth then my children and call things cults. No need for it to fit. When in doubt we redefine." Did you know originally it was Barrack Obama who was called a narcissist?

So, assuming that's true, what would you call dummies who can't seem to stop talking to them.