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someone said "Here are the key federal investment and development banks:" followed by a list of 9 entities, including the new Canada Strong Fund. Yes I , and many here, know there are already know that there was an infrastructure bank, growth fund, development bank etc. Maybe we did not know the titles of ALL of the 8 existing funds/banks, but that is not the point. What I want to know is WHY Carney needs yet another one? The other sickening thing is that this has caused me to review the Norwegian Sovereign wealth fund. OMG storing away energy wealth as it is created in order to have a piggy bank for the future! and outside of Norway too to avoid the pig trough syndrome. Sad that the pathetic non-entites in Ottawa over the years never built such a vehicle for Canada.

"That's what you get for trusting a liberal" that is what Jagmeet and the NDP got. It was, as others have said, just an optics policy. In reality just pretending that the ultra poor, who were already getting 'free' drugs under existing policies, would now be getting something new, the rest of us would be means tested to not qualify. I am glad the BS is going away. The top issues in healthcare are lack of family doctors, hospital emergency rooms bursting at the seams, and waiting times for procedures like hip and knee replacements. Fix those first I say. Pharmacare is way down the list. The sad thing is that Carney could, and still can, greatly reduce Pharmamcare costs by getting round to implementing the National Bulk Purchasing Strategy. A policy which has been talked about for the past 20 years, the strategy sits as shelfware in Ottawa gathering dust. National Bulk Purchasing Strategy: Enhancing Drug Affordability and Access in Canada - Syenza News Unfortunately the 13 healthcare fiefdoms are slaves to the egos of their incumbent provincial and territorial health ministers, A couple of decades ago, when bulk purchase talks looked serious, the drug companies picked off Ontario and Quebec with 'special' deals, with multi-year terms - and the whole issue moved to the sidelines where it still sits.

Is the original poster able to close the threat to further comments? The budget passed, the confidence vote passed, its over, for now- time for a new thread.

I question the mission of the Victoria Class submarines of "Surveillance and Intelligence Gathering". In a world of Satellite photography, instant communication from spies, and advance warning of enemy forces movement over the internet, I think we no longer need the submarines to provide these. In the 21st century there are so many less expensive ways of achieving the same result that we want from the Victoria Class Submarines 'mission', without buying more submarines. To John Stone who earlier said "What was even more impressive was the maintenance support provided by HM Dockyard in Halifax. Extremely skilled civilian support provided scheduled maintenance. ..... That infrastructure support disappeared with the O-boats." FYI I have met many DND people who work at HM Dockyard Naden Esquimalt, and often work on maintenance of the Victoria Class submarines when they are here. They would bristle at your suggestion that the "support disappeared." or that somehow working on the Victoria class subs requires any less skill than working on the Oberons. Over on the west coast the support has not 'disappeared' there are several thousand people who enter Naden daily to support and maintain RCN ships . In talking to some of these DND workers I am told of the laborious methods employed on maintaining the submarines - these stories suggest to me that the 6000 DND jobs at the dockyard are being spun out to take as many hours as possible. It makes me think that we are just really keeping the dockyard labour force employed 'just in case' and there is not really sufficient maintenance work to justify that size of workforce in time of peace. So what should the RCN be spending money on instead of Submarines ? When I look at the naval warfare actually going on in the world I see fleets of Drone Boats setting out into the Black Sea from southern Ukraine every day of the week. The Ukrainian drone boats are either set up as a torpedo to destroy enemy shipping or docks or bridge supports, or set up as mini-aircraft carrier holding 1 to 20 ? airborne drones that are launched from the sea drone to attack targets on land or sea. Building a force of drone boats is where I would like to see my tax dollars spent, not on submarines.

Carney says "this is not a game" he is ready for an election - knowing full well what numbers are required to get his budget passed - knowing full well that 6 - 8 NDP MPs will vote with him - making the entire budget vote media speculation a nothingburger, just another opportunity for the Liberal Spin-Doctors and their tame media talking head friends to fill the discussion spaces with prolefeed - and hopefully generate lots of red meat to get the PP haters braying to the moon. Yesterday I read a comment, on the excretion known as the Bill Kelly Podcast, from some little half-wit, saying 'any conservative who votes against the budget is a traitor to Canada'. This is the audience Carney is speaking to. god help us. Have listen to the Michael Campbell Podcast - His opening editorial and the following interview with James Thorne https://omny.fm/shows/money-talks-with-michael-campbell/november-1-episode enjoy

I have seen many baseball caps stating Canada is not for sale. I heard that expression many times during the last election - but I never heard a source for who said they are offering to buy Canada, and at what price? Since last April has anyone heard the source of this 'offer' and the price offered?. I did hear the Orange one saying he wanted Canada to be the 51st state, but never heard him say he wanted to buy Canada . Where is the text of this 'offer' to which so many are responding 'Canada is not for sale' ? If such an offer does not exist - why did the media whip up such a frenzy about it? what is behind that eh? Interesting to discover what the average Canadian's reaction be if the offer were $1 million USD each ? Another question relating to the Orange man's opinion that Canada should become the 51st State is, why have I not heard a single Media Talking Head asking "Why just the 51st? why not States 51 to 63 "? That would make more sense eh? All the provinces requiring equalization payments could now have their pogey money source spread over the other 50 states thus giving all the "have provinces" pause to think how much richer they would be. Hmmm.

After 4 pages of comments I think it is time to return to the original topic of the thread by the first poster CdnFox. G.M. to Stop Making Electric Vans in Canada, in Another Hit to a Key Industry True - a hit to a key industry the Car and Truck industry. But considering the size of the industry, discontinuing production of a small quantity of a EV Van is a very small hit, of a type that has happened many times before - so what?. In a capitalist society products are continually updated and replaced, nothing new here. The source of the post is a New York Times leader. In the NYT story they say "G.M. cited low demand for its BrightDrop delivery van, as well as the end of tax credits for electric vehicles in the United States." GM are stopping production because it is a failed model that is not selling. again My comment - so what? 1200 jobs cannot be subsidised to produce a product that no one wants. The same story also tells us more about the actions of Stellantis regarding a new Jeep model. I quote "Last week, the automaker Stellantis announced that it would move production of a new Jeep model from an idle factory in the Toronto suburb of Brampton to a plant in Illinois. The company shut down the factory in 2023 and laid off its roughly 3,000 workers so that it could retool the facilities, but now the fate of those employees is unclear." Hmm - at least 5 other media sources say that the 3000 workers were laid off in Feb 2025. It was back in 2023 that Stellantis announced future retooling of the Brampton plant for the new Jeep Compass. So the NYT is a not very exact in its reporting, but we get the gist. So Stellantis have cancelled the retooling / reopening of the Brampton plant with its 3000 jobs, But wait - Doug Ford said Ontario had not yet handed over subsidy dollars to Stellantis - so it means a budget is available to grant to another Car company to set up shop - How about BYD ? China send the cars as kits - we can put them together - we can even make the wheels and batteries in Canada I would think. Great opportunity. Without the 100% china ev tariffs they should sell for $25,000 - by all accounts they are a great car and do 450 km on a single charge - and at that price they would sell like hot cakes. The climate change fraternity would be dribbling in their oat-milk shakes as they keyed in their online orders the second the announcment was made. EV cars are not selling large numbers right now because they are too expensive - not because they are undesired. If Canada is not going to get a share of the EV car production from the big 3 - then why not get in foreigners EV products. we need to save the climate eh? Surely a decarbonisation pumper like Carney realises this? At least China will buy our Canola and lobsters to give us some foreign exchange- Lets face it - we know where the CUSMA renegotiation is going to go regarding Autos - Currently Canada with 10% of the population of the USA ends up producing 20% of the USA+Canada car sales. It doesn't take a genius to see that the Orange one will be expecting to get us down to 10% to match the population ratio. Yes Orange man is saying 100% cars made in the US right now, but that is his opening bid - my prediction is we drop from 20% to 10% - losing half of the Canadian Auto industry will be a serious drop. Finally I drove a Jeep Compass as a rental a few years back - they make driving a small SUV just like driving a clunky big truck - an awful experience - we don't need to make those loser vehicle here anyway. they can shove them - lets find a winner - Get in BYD.

BeaverFever - are you just re-posting the Soudas article - are we responding to him or to you? Soudas says "The Conservative Party that was shaped by the nation-building of Sir John A. Macdonald," Soudas sounds just like poor ole Joe "Who" Clark when Mckay and Manning merged their parties to form the modern Canadian Conservative Party. "this is not the party of John A. MacDonald" Clark bleated over and over. bah bah bah. Any 'shaping' is not the issue today. We need to get away from what was 'shaped' 150 years ago, lest we be stuck with miniscule provinces with 4 Senators and 4 MPs for just 150,000 people. Soudas says "Pierre Poilievre is dismantling the principled, trustworthy Conservative Party we tried to build" "TRIED" we DID build a new party - there is no 'trying' Who says 'we' only 'tried' ? Soudas "He claimed that Trudeau’s free vacation" Like so many of the liberal spin-doctors you are missing the point here - Carney had just made an announcement about pumping more $$$ into the RCMP for more officers. PP was doing what he was supposed to do - cast a critical eye on this and pointed out that systemic change needs to happen at the top of that organization to remove the political bias that has been so much in evidence in the recent past , such as the multi-thousand dollar holiday Aga Khan scandal. Soudas says "Worst of all, Poilievre failed to build a team. A party rich with talent was never showcased. No foreign affairs lead. No visible finance minister. No credible plans for trade, immigration, or defence." This is an attempt to deliberately gaslight the uninformed reader, of course there are shadow cabinet ministers for all these portfolios as both Soudas and BeaverFever know. Why promote a piece with untruths like this in it BeaverFever? This last comment on team building is the closest Soudas gets to a constructive comment - With Carney claiming to be the ne plus ultra of all things Business, I think PP needs to have a specific Canadian Economy Shadow Minister , spreading Economy and Buiness pushback between Hallan LeFebre Lawrence and perhaps Kusi is not targeted enough. I keep an eye on one of the leading liberal spin-doctors who excretes on his youtube vehicle called the Bill Kelly Podcast this Soudas piece is a dead-ringer for an video that Kelly put up 3 or 4 days ago. Same points, just more name calling and vitriol .... GLTA

Really? you believe that Premier Eby's announcements mean that all of BC's population of 5 million hate Albertans? omg. sigh. For those of you who are not BC'ers, I will tell you what's going on. Eby is playing to a section of his base - the green section. The only current threat to Eby & the NDP's power in BC is any resurgence of the Green party. ( we are 2+ years away from Rusted gettting his conglomeration of BC Conservatives/BCUnited/OneBC, un-whippable mavericks etc etc. into line ). Not that the Green party will ever form a provincial government, but they have 2 MLA's at present. What worries Eby is that the Greens will increase their percentage of the vote across the province, thus allowing the Conservatives to win on a split left vote. Eby won (not by much) the last provincial election on spewing lies about abortion beliefs, conspiracy theories, and election fraud, which frightened enough greenies to go with the NDP strategically, just keep the conservatives out. That is why he is on this anti-pipeline track now. Much talk was heard in the last Federal election about Corporations not wanting to get involved in pipeline building because of the delay, cost , and difficulties in getting environmental assessments done, and getting all the permissions and approvals. The talk I heard was that the the provinces and the federal government would first define the pipeline corridor, get all the permissions and permits granted, then request Corporations to bd on the right to build a pipeline in that pre-defined and pre-permitted corridor ( What Smith is doing right now). Eby is well aware this is what Smith is doing, he is just plain lying when he disingenuously suggests 'there is no proponent' he knows Smith is trying to set things up, not actually build it. As I said - just playing to the green section of his base. Eby is putting his own short term lust for retaining power ahead of building a better Canada. My own support is for an Oil, Natural Gas, and Electricity backbone stretching from the west coast to the east coast, so all can draw/contribute at will and bring energy self sufficiency to 90% of the Canadian population. Regarding the Oil Tanker Ban "The Oil Tanker Moratorium Act, also known as Bill C-48, was enacted to regulate the transportation of crude oil and persistent oil along the northern coast of British Columbia. The law was passed by the Canadian Parliament and received Royal Assent on June 21, 2019." What is not widely known is that in years 2000 to 2012 /15 BC had built huge railyards in Prince Rupert (pacific gateway) there was a possibility that oil could shipped by rail from AB to Prince Rupert prior to any pipeline, that is why the tanker ban was rushed through even there was no pipeline. Also FYI there are 30 to 40 crude oil carrying tankers per month going through the inside passage from Alaska to Cherry Point refinery WA. Oil tankers from northern BC would go directly out to the pacific.

The original source of this thread leading us round in the wilderness, was a posting of a CNN news story (in the first message) that claimed that ONE Dominican taxi driver had allegedly refused a ride to someone wearing a Canadian badge on, who allegedly told him they were American, whereupon he said 'have a good day' and drove off. OMG - dominica runs on tourist dollars - would a taxi driver have refused a fare? would this discussion have taken place before they sat down in the taxi, would they then have been ordered out? I think not. The cnn story has a tagline of Vivian Song, who doubtless has her own reasons for inventing clickbait Vivian Song, Author at Open Canada - she makes money by hawking it out! Although I see this story in various forms is all over the internet with many different so-called 'journalists' claiming authorship. Sure enough someone baited a hook here with this trash, and all the suckerfish leapt on. Even if it were true, it relates to just one person's experience, compared with the millions more american tourists who do not wear Canadian lapel badges. This is a nothingburger, a piece of prolefeed. Has nothing worthy of discussion happened in Canada we have to resort to faux outrage over THIS !!

Sigh, based on just being over there and listening to people - the majority opinion is not one of hatred, it is that he is a ridiculous buffoon. The intelligent opinion is that he is a very dangerous person. The overriding opinion IN CANADA is one of visceral hatred, without any in-depth consideration as to why? That is the topic worth exploring. The youtube video list of 'reasons' are not reasons at all. Do you really believe that the majority of people in the UK wear moth eaten sweaters and drive round in ancient Landrovers? and somehow this causes hatred of Mr. T? The whole video is an exercise in stereotyping satire much in the ridiculous style of Jeremy Clarkson (of Top Gear and Clarkson's Farm). The focus of the video is not about Mr T. it is about setting up a giant snigger for simpletons living in their mom's basements in Mississauga who have overdosed on so much PBS, they actually believe that Bertie Wooster is a real person.

Here is one explanation Haiti 10 years later: What happened to the billions pledged to help the people of Haiti? | Globalnews.ca

'peacekeepers to Haiti. No - no peace to keep - needs military clampdown first. 'declare amnesty for criminals who wage war against each other' err - I don't think they will care and will continue fighting until disarmed by force. 'have Haiti administered by Canadian officials and ask Haiti to become a Canadian province' Sorry to burst your bubble Gaetan , but Federal Canadian Officials cannot administer Canada competently, why would you wish them on another Country?. I don't think we should bequeath the Phoenix Pay system to Haiti. 'Canadian Institutions to rebuild the country'. I am still waiting for those Canadian Institutions to replace the Tent Cities found in every major population area in Canada. If they can't even do that, what makes you have faith that they could help Haiti.? Sorry Gaetan but your ideas won't work imho. I encourage you to first get your utopian ideas working here. Lets see a New Jerusalem built in Vancouver's Downtown Eastside - THEN move on to Haiti

Evan Solomon is moving on to other pastures. For the past few years he has been insidiously pumping the federal Liberal party, by taking any public issues, and explaining away that whatever the Liberals are doing , if the best that can be achieved in the circumstances. At the same time he seizes with relish upon even the slightest radical pronouncement of any socially Conservative backbencher and trumpets into a) it must be party policy and representative of all. Or b) how outrageous it is that the party leader doesn't immediately throw them out of the party. Sick and tired of this Liberal shill. In case you don't know the dribble that he spouts over the airwaves (iheart / Bell talk radio network) in Toronto 9 - 11 am. is pumped out at Noon in BC. and we can't even phone it because it's not live any more. Thank goodness this JT fanboy is gone !

The 'method' was much more that just a 'method' it was a non-partisan committee that "conducted extensive consultations with more than 200 people across the country,] including academics, provincial premiers, current and former political party leaders, former prime ministers, and others, in order to develop a short list of five candidates,] from which the prime minister would make the final selection." A decent fair and respectful process that allowed a full airing of views, and asking of questions about any prospective appointee. Source:- Advisory Committee on Vice-Regal Appointments - Wikipedia The committee, to which people were appointed in 2012 for 6 year terms, was immediately abolished by Trudeau when he took office in 2015. Why do you need a non-partisan committee when you have all-seeing, all-knowing, dear leader Justin Trudeau ,who, like his father, great leader Pierre Trudeau, is incapable of incorrect thought?

Interesting that prior to the release of the report, Payette was saying no formal complaints had been filed during her tenure, and she welcomed the report to find out what was being said. Various talking heads(on the major canadian TV and Radio channels) are saying that when Trudeau toadie #2 , Dominic LeBlanc visited her with the report, she asked for the opportunity to answer the charges, and would not consider resignation until that happened. Trudeau himself visited her later in the day, resulting in her resignation. The talking heads speculate (and I agree with them) that Trudeau used a carrot and stick approach to obtain the resignation ( carrot being the pension, stick being threat of Trudeau instructing QE2 to kick her out.). In any decent western society there is something called 'due process' under which accusations against someone result in that person being able to provide answers to the accusations in front of an impartial judge, and usually face their accusers too. What we have here is a political show trial where the accused is forced to admit their crimes ( by the resignation and silence). Seems that now Canada has evolved into one of those countries where committees issue statements and the target quietly disappears. Sad, so sad. What gets my goat the most is the utter pompousness of some of the talking heads, saying that her answering the secret report , 'would harm the dignity of the office', when you, I , and every Canadian knows , there will be no answering of the report because it might make Justin look bad. Pathetic, Pathetic Pathetic.

NEVER FEAR PLASTIC LOVERS - IT CAN STILL BE DUMPED ON 3rd WORLD.... After the huge fuss last year about Canadas plastic garbage going to the phillipines and other 3rd world dumping grounds, Justin yielded to the environmentalist lobby and got Canada to sign the “BASEL AGREEMENT” which states we wont dump our crap on the 3rd world. At the same time he was bleating about how Canada has now signed the “basel agreement” - he was quietly negotiating with the US, who is not a ‘basle agreement’ signatory. Now Canada will send it plastic garbage to the US – who will dump it in 3rd world countries for us. !! Gywn Dyer , remember him ? has dug out the rotten details. Justin T is a two faced slimebag!.... read this Government quietly made 'back door' agreement with U.S. that could undermine treaty on plastic waste (msn.com)

You are missing my point - A fair and equitable Republic where all citizens have equal political weight is what I am after. A republic with an equal elected and effective senate, a republic where there is one MP for every 125,000 citizens regardless of province. The current unfair system where maritime provinces are unfairly overrepresented must be swept away. If we could get reform of the Senate, and a fair redistribution of federal ridings under the current system **, then the Queen can stay. She is harmless and irrelevant. However the way things sit with the status quo benefiting from the way the country is currently set up today, it looks like like the move to a Republic is the only chance to redefine Canada as a full and fair democracy. **(the current system being one where Ontario and Quebec run the country to their advantage vs the Western Provinces, they always get supported by the maritime provinces by promises of bribes and handouts after the elections. The center plus the east outweigh the political strength of the Western Provinces. )

This topic was opened up in July 2020 , in early september 2020 the Privy Council hired Quintet Consulting Corporation to conduct a 'review' into the allegations made by the CBC about Payette. They said the 'review' will be confidential. They have been diligently working away on this now for 8 solid weeks, has anyone heard anything? Does anyone expect to hear anything more on this?... other than perhaps 'the govt are considering the report produced by Quintet. It is almost as if they are delaying and delaying , until Payette's term runs out, then it won't be an issue any more, and the Govt won't have to answer anything. Surely Justin is not going to stoop that low ?

The question on the Australian monarchy referendum 21 years ago was NOT 'do you want the queen yes or no?' It was 'Do you want Australia to become a Republic yes or no'. Autralians were about 35% Queen Lovers 'she does a good job etc', and 35% Queen Haters ' they are parasites', 'we don't need to pay for Kings and Queens in the 21st Century'. The remaining 30% were a bit more thoughtful. Their thought was 'What would this Republic look like?' When they discovered the proposed Australian Republic was merely a change of title of the GG to President, and the existing status quo would remain in place, they quickly said 'no thanks'. They wanted the Republic to be something better than they have now. Let us all be wary of proposals to remove the monarchy that just involve a lard-arse GG being given the title of lard-arse President. BUT - it there is a decent proposal of a fair and equal republic, with garbage like 4 MPS and 4 Senators for the 150,000 people in PEI, swept away - then lets go for it.

While you are caught up in the Covid-19 frenzy, Trudeau is quietly slipping through orders in council, free from any parliament oversight or questioning. On August 15, 2020, Cabinet issued an order that included its expectations that the CRTC amend the terms of a decision it issued in August, 2019, which found that the rates charged by the incumbent major telecom and cable companies (such as Bell Canada, Rogers and Videotron) for internet services for at least the past four years were not "just and reasonable". https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/vmedia-federal-cabinet-condemns-canadian-families-to-higher-internet-prices-in-bailout-of-big-telcos-870332467.html Summary: the incumbent big telecoms are spinning the line that they cannot afford to support the Liberal policy dream of broadband coverage over 95% of Canada, if they are forced to compete with each other in the cities. So without extracting any commitment from these big telecoms to actually build anything, Trudeau says 'at your service sir'. The full text of Cabinet's decision (https://www.canada.ca/en/innovation-science-economic-development/news/2020/08/order-in-council-responding-to-petitions-to-the-governor-in-council-concerning-telecom-order-crtc-2019-288.html) contained elements so supportive of the incumbents that lawyers for the incumbents immediately raced to the FCA with a request that the Court reopen the record and take the contents of the order and the Minister's statement into consideration in its deliberations. I was very surprised to hear that a boot-licking entity like the CRTC had even dared to suggest that 'unreasonable' broadband prices are being charged. I am not surprised to find that Trudeau's puppeteers wait until the middle of the covid crisis to jerk his hand to signing the refutation of the CRTC's suggestion.

Wow- I have just come across this thread … I admit I have not read all of the 50 pages of serious comment interspersed with one-liner bs, but I have made a fair sampling of a random dozen postings. I find the majority opinion seems to be that the Queen herself is irrelevant, and a whole lost of posters thoughts are simply - get rid of the Queen and we become a 'free people' ( err.. no we don't) ! However the title of the thread is The Federal Republic of Canada, which deserves a lot more attention than just Queen bashing. Here's my take. The end of Canada as a constitutional monarchy is ok by me IF the replacement is a Republic in which all Canadians are equal citizens, with equal political representation. The discussion needs to be about creating a Republic in which there are 300 members of parliament each representing 123,000 citizens in equal ridings, regardless of province, and a elected senate of 80 each representing 460,000 citizens in equal ridings, regardless of province.. No longer will a resident of PEI have four times the voting power of a citizen of Victoria, No longer will New Brunswick, whose population is the same as Vancouver Island have three to four times the political weight of the Vancouver Island representatives. There are WAY too many opinion pieces swamping radio and newspapers pandering to simpletons who want no more than the change of title of the Governor General to President, and have the rest of the rotten iniquitous Ottawa closed shop remain as is. Let the discussion be about Canada being re-defined as a fair and equal Republic. If this re-definition does not occur then Elizabeth Windsor can remain in place. This is too important a chance to finally sweep the politically privileged out. We cannot waste this chance to just get a simple-simon renaming of the GG to President, after which a certain uninformed mass will prance around shouting 'we're a free people' , while in the background the elite puppetmasters, who benefit from things the way they are now, silently snigger. I believe the vote in Australia to change to a republic was lost, not because of a surfeit of royalty lovers, but because there were 35% for, 35% against, and 30% in the middle who would have voted for a republic IF the redefinition of Australia as an equal and fair republic was included. The vote there envisioned the GG changing title to president and everything remaining the same, so a majority of those in the middle voted NO, hoping that somewhere further down the road a vote on a defined republic will take place. We should learn from their example. Thoughts anyone?

So the cat is out of the bag on Covid-19 at Canada's prisons. Finally the mainstream press has taken notice. In this article the first 2 positive tests at Mission prison are admitted. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/correctional-service-of-canada-says-2-inmates-in-mission-have-covid-19-1.5522366 the total is now 11. Since the start of March PM Trudeau and Safety Minister bill Blair have been pressed to release prisoners to avoid overcrowding and take the inmates out of danger. Many thousands could be out if the categories of non-violent offences, and those within a few months of the end of their sentence were let go. The answer from Trudeau in at least 4 press conferences since early March, when asked are prisoners to be released? has been to side step the question with "we are working with correction Canada to take all steps to stop the spread of covid-19" as of now, no prisoners have been let out. Even the gross human rights abuser Iran has let out 80,000+. Investigative journalists have received phone calls from prisoners and find that there is no hand sanitizer issued, that prisoners are making their own masks from rags, and that anyone suspected of being infected is thrown into the solitary confinement cell for 24 hrs a day. The virus has now taken hold across the system . evidence from Corrections Canada https://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/001/006/001006-1014-en.shtml As of 8th April Blair has ordered that critical corrections staff and contractors wear masks at all time...( Note 'critical' not 'all'). Why has it taken so long and why not 'all' ? What annoys me the most is Trudeau's 'don't worry be happy' responses. If he had just taken note of suggestions about the prisons at the start of March, many lives could have been saved. It is almost as if he has no comprehension of critical points like this and just spews out a 'we are working with' response as a knee-jerk reaction. Does he not care? Because he did nothing, now it is too late, there are cases spread over dozens of prisons, now they can't be let out because they will just spread it further. Trudeau and Blair have a lot to answer for on this issue. A very good podcast on the issue can be found on CANADALAND https://www.canadalandshow.com/podcast/320-coronavirus-is-in-our-prisons-and-trudeau-is-doing-nothing/ Actually I don't think it is lack of caring that is the problem with Trudeau and Blair, I think it is a mixture of incompetence and passive negligence.

Lets steer this thread back to the title of the topic "pipeline protesters need to be jailed". I would say No - they need to be given a background on the issue at hand. The protesters claim that the Wetsuweten hereditary chiefs did not give permission for the natural gas pipeline. The truth is that a year ago, there were 5 hereditary chiefs, they voted 3 to 2 in favour of the pipeline (along with the wetsuweten elected chiefs). Then the 2 'against' hereditary chiefs gathered together some bully boys, and stripped the 3 'in favour' chiefs (all matriachs) of their credentials, on the basis of they cannot be hereditary chiefs, because they are women.!!. Here is my evidence - straight from the tribe members https://www.jlsreport.com/2019/02/22/wetsuweten-strong-the-symbol-of-male-dominance-over-women/ The 3 "replacement" chiefs have no validity, and therefore the refusal of permission to allow the pipeline is bogus - making the whole protest bogus. The complaints that I have heard - that the pipeline will pollute the water and the land, are also bogus - my evidence - for over 50 years there has been a natural gas pipeline through the Wetsuweten territory, it goes to Prince Rupert, and on the way it branches off to supply natural gas to the houses of the wetsuweten people!!. It has not 'polluted the water and the land', so why would the new one? The protesters are misinformed. I heard innumerable cries of 'they did not consult'. the truth is that 8 years of respectful consultation have taken place, and 20 separate bands on the pipeline route have signed their agreement. The agreements signed with these 20 bands agree to pay them $2.5 million each on completion of the first 10 km of line , $400,000 each on completion of the full line and $10 million dollars per year to share for every year gas flows ( divided by 20 = $500,000 a year to each of the 20 bands). evidence - search on BC government natural gas pipleline agreements and read the text yourself like I did. The majority of these 20 bands number 200 - to 300 persons, that money is badly needed to fund new business opportunities for them. and yet the 2 wetsuweten hereditary chiefs and their 3 'friends' who named themselves hereditary chiefs, want all that money stopped.! and they promise nothing to replace this opportunity for those 20 first nations.. I have witnessed two protests personally, one was up in Courtenay BC, about 25 first nations people in the 15 to 20 age group were standing outside the town on the side of the entry road to the main highway going south. They were not blocking the road, but the RCMP WERE !. a single RCMP vehicle was sideways across the access road., I had to drive 20 minutes through a bunch of side roads and rejoin the highway below Royston. As I rejoined the highway, I saw the access road going north, was blocked by a single BC Government highways contractor vehicle. ! Most of the signs carried were "RCMP leave Wetsuweten people alone". What I conclude is that the RCMP and BC Govt colluded with the protesters, they appeared to be letting them stay there for the day, I am guessing it was on condition that the detour route was left open. The second protest has been on the steps of the BC Legislature in Victoria, the protesters are indigenous youth of whom many are studying at UVIC, who were all well dressed, well fed and well educated, and they have Canada to thank for that. They too, are 15 - 25 year olds with their whole life in front of them, in the best country in the world!!. They have never had it so good!! They have opportunities that young people all over the world would kill to get!. Mother Canada has taken care of them , and yet the protesters have signs saying ' Shut down Canada' ?. Billions upon Billions of dollars are taken in taxes every year from the Canadian population and given to first nations, for this, I do not expect to see the flag of our beautiful country desecrated by signs saying "Reconciliation is Dead" superimposed on an upside-down Canadian flag. No non-indigenous Canadian would dream of desecrating indigenous symbols in such a fashion, there is something very wrong here.